Nosebleed Posted March 11, 2014 Posted March 11, 2014 Well I'm up for formatting it properly and moving it. If the general idea is understandable it shouldn't harm a lot. Is all the info needed in the walkthrough? Like every route both bad and good ends?
Kynbound Posted March 11, 2014 Posted March 11, 2014 Everything is pretty much on the first and 3rd post except for kisaya bad end which requires to choose "Everything just felt so pointless"instead of "I ended up getting really angry"
Nosebleed Posted March 11, 2014 Posted March 11, 2014 Thanks a lot. I'll work on editing it now as well as possible.
Kynbound Posted March 11, 2014 Posted March 11, 2014 I dont know how you gonna do it but if you need i can give u the lines as in they are in the english version
Nosebleed Posted March 11, 2014 Posted March 11, 2014 Alright this is pretty much the edit without the save points that I made. Is it good enough? I just copied and pasted, didn't change anything else. I also added that choice you mentioned, adding a new bad end to the game. Umi Good End Introduce myself like a nice young man. Treat your little sister Hit Naguritobasu before he can say anything "Onee-sama?" Be honest. Classroom (Yui Kei) "Do not want chocolate again this year" I get somehow Hayasaka Umi Men's dormitory before (Hayasaka Umi) And invite you to go to play together I'm going to praise together Corridor (Umi) Main building (Umi) "...... It may be a little ill be at ease" (Unsure of this sentence) Go to the Daybreak Cafe alone Under scaffolding (Umi) Corridor (Hayasaka Umi) Classroom (Yui Kei) And urged that it should be up I sleep again of course Corridor (Umi) I may be a little weak It's horrifying and dangerous Classroom (Yui Kei) “kei” might be something else here Classroom (Umi) "I'm thought it was a little curt" I see a person of Yui Kei Umi Person of the situation is ...... to say what which way I have decided that Yui should not worry (????) "Yeah, do not it now already" I try turned down for the time being I say that there is no such a thing apart I'll keep doing well from towards me Speak honestly that I went to play and Yui Kei I hear the request of Umi "I like but yeah" "I'll try to care a little" "Who?" Nevertheless, I reject that umi "The Royal milk tea and chiffon cake" I thought according to their own ★ both ★ both I get feast feel free The "Let 's in half-and-half all four" ★ both Want to be lover and umi seen me ★ both Hayasaka Umi END Yuika Good End Introduce myself like a nice young man. Treat your little sister Hit Naguritobasu before he can say anything "Onee-sama?" Be honest. Daybreak cafe (Kisaya) Go beg Yui for some food. Park (Yui Kei) Join in praising her Classroom (Yui Kei) Main Building (Hayasaka Umi) "It's awesome" I'll have lunch with Yuika Classroom (Yui Kei) "I'll consider it" Classroom (Yui Kei) Classroom (Yui Kei) Make fun of her for a bit Go back to sleep Corridor (Hayasaka Umi) She's nice, I guess It's horrifying and dangerous Classroom (Yui Kei) Classroom (Hayasaka Umi) "Maybe I should hold on to it until her birthday" Check on Yuika "Hey, would you like to go somewhere today?" Yuika I really prefer cosplay Oh, Just for some reason "30 seconds left" I'll just walk her there Okay, I get it That's exactly what I'm saying You should tell her yourself, you know Try probing her a bit Of course I want to go on a date with her I'll tell her I went out with Yuika I deny her request She's my sibling, nothing else I'll call out to her again "I know that Yuika is cute" I need to calm down I like Yuika. But.... Tell her I'm searching for Yuika Talked to Yuika for a bit to talk to Yuika right now I can't really bare to talk I gently hugged her Kisaya Good End Introduce myself like a nice young man. Treat your little sister Hit Naguritobasu before he can say anything "Onee-sama?" Be honest. Daybreak cafe (Kisaya) Go beg Yui for some food. Kendo hall (Kisaya) Deny you did nothing wrong I do not dare say anything Corridor (Kisaya) Chapel (Sonya) Help feed the birds. Go to daybreak cafe alone Kendo hall (Kisaya) Straighten things out with her. I'll sit down properly. Corridor (Ayaka) Kendo field (Kisaya) I'll mediate also Well, only a little Make fun of her for a little bit I should get up early once in a while You just look so beautiful...I...Uh... Classroom (Orito Riru) It's horrifying and dangerous Main Building (Kisaya) Does it make you happy? Kendo field (Kisaya) Practice Footwork No point in standing better start practicing. Is it okay to give it my all? I decided to apologize The "No, it’s different" "Th-that's" I I was at a loss for words I'll do my best! I'll clean seriously! I like historical plays too. ...Maybe I like her? It was my sister Do you want to go together? I'll give her fighting advice! I was just confused and I care about her. ★ both ★ both What are you gonna do? IExplain everything to him. Because I like you senpai! Get angry ★ both Kisaya Good End Kisaya Bad End Introduce myself like a nice young man. Treat your little sister Hit Naguritobasu before he can say anything "Onee-sama?" Be honest. Daybreak cafe (Kisaya) Go beg Yui for some food. Kendo hall (Kisaya) Deny you did nothing wrong I do not dare say anything Corridor (Kisaya) Chapel (Sonya) Help feed the birds. Go to daybreak cafe alone Kendo hall (Kisaya) Straighten things out with her. I'll sit down properly. Corridor (Ayaka) Kendo field (Kisaya) I'll mediate also Well, only a little Make fun of her for a little bit I should get up early once in a while You just look so beautiful...I...Uh... Classroom (Orito Riru) It's horrifying and dangerous Main Building (Kisaya) Does it make you happy? Kendo field (Kisaya) Practice Footwork No point in standing better start practicing. Is it okay to give it my all? I decided to apologize The "No, it’s different" "Th-that's" I I was at a loss for words I'll do my best! I'll clean seriously! I like historical plays too. ...Maybe I like her? It was my sister Do you want to go together? I'll give her fighting advice! I was just confused and I care about her. ★ both ★ both What are you gonna do? IExplain everything to him. Because I like you senpai! Everything just felt so pointless ★ both Riru Good End Introduce myself like a nice young man. Treat your little sister Hit Naguritobasu before he can say anything "Onee-sama?" Be honest. Daybreak cafe (Kisaya) Go beg Yui for some food. Tree-lined (Orito) You can explore alone I do not dare say anything Classroom (Orito) Main Building (Hayasaka Umi) "Do not say I thought it rubbed" Invite Orito Riru to lunch Classroom (Orito) I go to visit Classroom (Orito) Classroom (Yui Kei) Make fun of her for a little bit Sleep again of course Classroom (Orito) It's horrifying and dangerous Classroom (Orito) Classroom (Orito) Classmate system Eat together I think it’s cute Greet the plunge (Greet Riru?) Let's hurry anyway! Is determined such a thing Orito Riru’s End Ayaka Good End Introduce myself like a nice young man. Treat your little sister Hit Naguritobasu before he can say anything "Onee-sama?" Be honest. Daybreak cafe (Kisaya) Go beg Yui for some food. Tree-lined (Orito) You can explore alone I do not dare say anything Park (Ayaka) I'm glad the little guy got a good owner Chapel (Sonya) Help her feed the birs I'll just eat lunch by myself Chapel (Sonya) I confess my sins I try to tickle her neck Make fun of her for a little bit I sleep again Corridor (Ayaka) It's horrifying and dangerous Corridor (Ayaka) Tree-lined (Ayaka) I'll ask her about the phone I feel a bit sleepy Maybe she knew who was calling I'd there with her Ask her if she loves me I love her Don't Apologize Okay, let's go ★ both Ayaka End Ayaka Bad End Introduce myself like a nice young man. Treat your little sister Hit Naguritobasu before he can say anything "Onee-sama?" Be honest. Daybreak cafe (Kisaya) Go beg Yui for some food. Tree-lined (Orito) You can explore alone I do not dare say anything Park (Ayaka) I'm glad the little guy got a good owner Chapel (Sonya) Help her feed the birs I'll just eat lunch by myself Chapel (Sonya) I confess my sins I try to tickle her neck Make fun of her for a little bit I sleep again Corridor (Ayaka) It's horrifying and dangerous Corridor (Ayaka) Tree-lined (Ayaka) I'll ask her about the phone I feel a bit sleepy Maybe she knew who was calling I'd there with her Ask her if she loves me I love her Apologize Okay, let's go ★ both Ayaka Bad End Sonya Good End Introduce myself like a nice young man. Treat your little sister Hit Naguritobasu before he can say anything "Onee-sama?" Be honest. Daybreak cafe (Kisaya) Go beg Yui for some food. Tree-lined (Orito) You can explore alone I do not dare say anything Park (Ayaka) I'm glad the little guy got a good owner Chapel (Sonya) Help her feed the birs I'll just eat lunch by myself Chapel (Sonya) I confess my sins Daybreak Cafe (Sonya) I'll eat it Chapel (Sonya) I kind of wanted to know more about it Make fun of her for a little bit Get back to sleep Daybreak Cafe (Sonya) We're just normal siblings, aren't we? Chapel (Sonya) It's horrifying and dangerous Classroom (Yuika) Classroom (Ayaka) I won't ask her about it To see Sonya Show me your notes Get Sonya to make riceballs "The Wind" "I'll do it" I get also have to Sonya Keep trying to sleep "Don't lay a hand on my little sister!" I'll go to Sonya's classroom I'll pay Sonya a visit I sincerely lurk under the shade of a tree I'll leave it in there for now I'll check the church ★ both Take the church route I'll go check with Mai-san I'll ask Chizuna-san I'll get some help from Yuika and Riru Oikawa just might have one I'll try asking the Natsufuyu duo ★ both ★ both Sonya END
Kynbound Posted March 11, 2014 Posted March 11, 2014 Looks fine to me. Also im writing down the lines for each heroine so when and if u need i will have it ready
Nosebleed Posted March 11, 2014 Posted March 11, 2014 Well all I have to do is replace the actual walkthrough with this version and move it. I don't mind as long as it's understandable although it's always nicer to have the actual choice as it says in the game. Just PM me when you have the choices and i'll do the replacement where it's needed. Thanks for your help Edit (sorry for double posting): Edited the entire walkthrough. Thanks Kynbound! It should fit the standards now. I'm going to move it but if you find any mistakes please let me know (I did check for some myself but it seems fine now) Also I don't know what i should do with the comments on it. For now i just left them there but i can delete them if you want.
Down Posted March 12, 2014 Posted March 12, 2014 Also I don't know what i should do with the comments on it. For now i just left them there but i can delete them if you want. When in doubt I just hide them. They exist if needed, but they're not seen by other people.
Nosebleed Posted March 12, 2014 Posted March 12, 2014 When in doubt I just hide them. They exist if needed, but they're not seen by other people. Oh okay, I just didn't know how things went so I left them there just in case. Thanks Down. Since they weren't really useful for anything in the walkthrough anymore (mostly just talk about editing the walkthrough itself) I've hidden them now. ----------------------- Go! Go! Nippon! walkthrough by Flutterz: Aproved Fixed 2 minor errors in the Tsukihime walkthrough as well (thanks Flutterz)
Guest Posted March 12, 2014 Posted March 12, 2014 Saya no Uta, Swan song and Kagetsu Tohya still waiting for approval. (And MGQ3 too)
Nosebleed Posted March 12, 2014 Posted March 12, 2014 I'm still not sure what is the stand on the Saya no Uta walkthrough. The format you used for the Swan Song walkthrough seems more complicated than it needs to be. I think it's best to just put the correct choices that you have to make instead of having both and then bold/underline the correct one. It's simpler and more effective. Also add an Attribution to the end. It also needs to have the bad ends seperately just like the first post by Sioxz (Have a section for each bad end) If you do all this it should be ready to move. The Kagetsu Tohya walkthrough looks good to me but I never played the VN so I'm not sure if the formatting is properly done or not. And as far as MGQ3 again same thing I never played the VN so I'm not sure how to apply the rules on it. I don't want to tamper with these walkthroughs since I'm not sure how to evaluate them.
Guest Posted March 12, 2014 Posted March 12, 2014 Well it feels strange putting bad ends since just not picking the right things leads to one. Which would mean about 7 bad ends (didn't actually count but it's more than that). As for the attribution I did it myself so it felt strange but if it's needed it can be quickly done. Soixz's was good there was just one mistake, it's a shame he doesn't come on anymore to fix it. Well i'll edit mine a little later.
Nosebleed Posted March 12, 2014 Posted March 12, 2014 Even if the amount of bad ends is high, as long as they're bad ends with story they should be mentioned at least since they're part of the story. Yes the one Sioxz did was pretty fine in that regard. It just wasn't properly formatted so it couldn't be moved. At least I think that's why.
Flutterz Posted March 12, 2014 Posted March 12, 2014 Even if the amount of bad ends is high, as long as they're bad ends with story they should be mentioned at least since they're part of the story. Yes the one Sioxz did was pretty fine in that regard. It just wasn't properly formatted so it couldn't be moved. At least I think that's why. I think only the bad ends that matter should be listed. If there are a bunch of "you died" bad ends, even if they are different, you shouldn't have to list them all. Edit: Nevermind, didn't notice "with story". >.<
Guest Posted March 12, 2014 Posted March 12, 2014 Rather than putting bad end's all over the place maybe i could do it in the Fate s/n walkthrough fashion ? There's only one Bad end that maybe deserves to be mentionned. I could put it even that is really weird. Because it would be pretty much exactly the same with on different choice. Now people can know exactly what will happen when they pick a choice.
Nosebleed Posted March 12, 2014 Posted March 12, 2014 Bad ends that are "death flags" or just sort of "game over" ends don't need a walkthrough. (Steins;Gate is an example of this) Bad ends that have story in them might interest people, that's why a walkthrough for them is nice. (Katawa Shoujo for example has bad ends with story progression that are worth checking out) That's pretty much the jist of it. If Swan Song has bad ends with story then a walkthrough for them is required. I made a walkthrough for Corpse Party where I listed the good/true end in the big walkthrough and then below i listed the bad ends but in a very vague maner so they don't take up much space since they're pretty much death flags but in the case of Corpse Party the bad ends are required for game completition (they unlock extra chapters). In the case of Swan Song the amount of bad ends doesn't seem that overwhelming. If you want to reduce it you can do what i did with CP and just list them in a vague maner since it seems that making that choice immediately leads you to a bad end. For example: Bad endings: Bad End 1 Choose: "Yeah, there’s no need to worry too much.” instead of “I’ll take something that can be used as a weapon.” Bad End 2 Choose: “Wait for help here.” instead of “Go in by myself.” Bad End 3 Choose: "Go against my principle and accept Ryugeju" instead of “No, I can’t accept her.” Bad End 4 Choose: “Act like a beast.” instead of “Act like a gentleman.” This way it doesn't take up much space but the bad ends are still mentioned in a separate section and the way to get to them as well. It's just a suggestion if you want to simplify it.
Guest Posted March 12, 2014 Posted March 12, 2014 Well I can add the bad ends that way. But it would still feel weird. I understand your point though, it does seem complicated. But there is no doubt left. Sometimes when I use a walkthrough I always wonder about : does this choice matter or not ? And most of the time the question stays unanswered. I can separate the ending from the bad ends and use your format. But when the game is so easy to understand chosing to edit it this way would mean losing the few information that make the walkthrough a complete guide. There are only 3 indecisve choices, and I was just thinking it would be a little waste not to point it out since it takes me 3 seconds.
Nosebleed Posted March 12, 2014 Posted March 12, 2014 Even if I ignore the bad ends and let you use this format there's also something else that needs to be changed. You used a savepoint for the true end. The rules state that the guide must be complete. Suggesting to save and load at that point is okay but the guide itself needs to have all the previous choices. In my opinion it should have a separate section for the bad ends still. But i'll let other mods have their opinion on this matter.
Guest Posted March 12, 2014 Posted March 12, 2014 Oh yeah you're right i'll change that. I'll try to think for a compromise because i'm hppy about it being complete but it does indeed need an adjustment somehow with the bad endings or the format.
Down Posted March 12, 2014 Posted March 12, 2014 In my opinion it should have a separate section for the bad ends still. But i'll let other mods have their opinion on this as well. "Relevant bad ends" are supposed to have their own guide description, like a True end or Good end would. As for "irrelevant" ones, I would leave it to the author to decide how thorough he wants his walkthrough to be and how he wants to implement them. As long as it's coherent with the template formatting, I'm all for inventing good ways of putting the information.
Nosebleed Posted March 12, 2014 Posted March 12, 2014 I don't hate the formatting. After kind of re-reading it several times it makes more sense now, it's kind of what i did with LB walkthrough and bolded choices, although i just put the choice not all the choices but it doesn't look bad since he separated things by paragraphs. But if there are actual relevant bad endings it really should have a guide for it. I didn't play the VN so I don't know which are relevant or not.
Guest Posted March 29, 2014 Posted March 29, 2014 Okay, I finally made a few modifications to the Swan song Walkthrough. Added the two relevant Bad ends of the game and added the entire process leading to each route in each guide.
Nosebleed Posted April 11, 2014 Posted April 11, 2014 Ayakashibito Walkthrough by Hackrabbits: Approved I didn't see any mistakes and it's formatted correctly, someone else can take a look if they want. Thank you~
Kynbound Posted April 11, 2014 Posted April 11, 2014 He should have added the choices for those missing cgs in my opinion,for those lazy people who dont like to trial and error
Nosebleed Posted April 12, 2014 Posted April 12, 2014 Eh it's not a requirement. What matters most is the ending guide which is there.
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