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A Twitter dispute highlights the lingering tension between Sekai Project and the adult gaming community KARAKARA, Dovac, Twitter wars, and overcharging for adult content

Pictures dammit. Take trump shit elsewhere.

There's no way the 18+ version of a game like KaraKara is sold for $10, none of the major VN companies would ever do that. Instead of making every version of the game cost the same, SP decided to give a cheaper option for people who want less content. EA sells games for the standard $60 and then sells DLC on top of that, that's a different story.

Well if that is your stance on it, you don't need to be a part of the discussion. It means something to certain people, even if it's just useless porn to you. This was ... interesting. Obviously the guy making free patches is in the wrong, but the absolutely childish behavoir from the SP guy is really pathetic to look at. And the fact that he does it openly to the public makes it 10x worse. As for the price of the H-content, honestly, I don't care. I want the game the way it was meant to be played, and I'll pay whatever price they put it down for. At least it means we don't have a censored release like G-senjou again when they make patches, even if you have to pay extra for it. FrontWing just did the same thing with Corona Blossom, so it's not just SP.

I think Dovac's frustration goes way beyond of just loosing the money for an upgrade patch. It's not exactly new information that sales on their Denpasoft site aren't particularly great. Dovac complained about that fact often enough and frequently used it as an argument to defend their all ages policy. And naturally, many people get upset about that, arguing that adult titles sell pretty well for MangaGamer. However, what most people probably don't see is that Sekai Project isn't MangaGamer, and there is actually a vast difference between those two companies: If it comes to all ages titles sold on Steam, both companies are more or less equal, because for a typical Steam user it doesn't really matter who's the publisher of the title he wants to buy. However, things are different if it comes to adult titles. Since those either can't be sold on Steam at all, or just as a stripped-down version, the own home site where adult titles can be sold comes into play. And with that we are slowly getting closer to the true reasons why MangaGamer are huge adult-freaks while Sekai Project just need to hear the word 'adult' to get into a bad mood and go tsun-tsun. Overall, my personal estimate is that the MangaGamer site has about 10 - 20 times as much accounts as Sekai Project's adult site Denpasoft. Now, what does that mean? First, it means that if MangaGamer sells an adult only title on their home page it would sell approximately 10 - 20 times better as if Sekai Project would sell it on their Denpasoft site. Second, it also means that titles which are also available on Steam can be sold on their own site which saves them the hefty 30% Steam fee. I'm a pretty good example for that myself. I've an account both on Steam and MangaGamer. And yesterday I bought Supipara on the MangaGamer site which means they didn't have to pay the 30% Steam fee for my copy. But I bought all the titles from Sekai Project so far on Steam because I don't have an account on Denpasoft, which means they lost 30% of my money to Steam. So I think it should be clear that Sekai Project are in a significant disadvantage compared to MangaGamer if it comes to adult titles. But why has MangaGamer so much more accounts than Denpasoft? I think that's also quite easy to answer. MangaGamer is a much older company than Sekain Project with an already established retail site for adult titles. Most people don't like creating new accounts (I personally hate it), so it simply takes time to convince people to create an account and you have have to give them a good reason for it. But what has Sekai Project to offer on their adult site? Frankly, not much! Pretty much just a few adult patches for Steam titles where I can easily get the patch for free. And it's hard to make people feel guily just for downloading an adult patch if they actually bougth the title legally on Steam. And what has MangaGamer to offer? Lots of high quality adult only titles which were or still are very popular like ImoPara, Eroge, Koihime, Beat Blades Haruka and many more. So what can Sekai Project do to get more accounts on their site? This is ironically almost a vicious circle. To get more accounts they have to offer something everybody wants which isn't available on Steam. A popular nukige for example, but who wants to give them one as long as their adult site is an account graveyard with an almost guaranteed sales flop? I'm sure this ridiculous problem makes them want to tear their hair out at times. I personally think they have the best chances with Sayori's Boku to Koi Suru Ponkotsu Akuma since it's an absolute gorgeous nukige from a very popular artist with an already established fan base in the west. And while most people probably think that the Baldr Sky series is Sekai Project's most important license achievement this year, I tend to disagree. Baldr Sky won't solve the problem with their Denpasoft site but Boku to Koi Suru Ponkotsu Akuma might be able to. So I think for them this good for nothing nukige is even more important for their future than the hyper popular Baldr license. And if they really want to butcher this title for Steam (which might have been a condition from Smile to even get it), then I really hope that they are smart enough to delay the Steam release as long as possible. They absolutely HAVE to offer something exclusive on their Denpasoft site or people will continue to give a damn about it. While this text wall won't make Dovac's answers more diplomatic, I hope it at least gives some understanding why he sometimes tends to overreact a bit if it comes to this topic. It must be absolutely frustrating for him to get constantly criticized for his all ages focus even if he tries to get his Denpasoft site going for years now. Steam and Kickstarter made the fast growth of Sekai Project possible, but unfortunately there's no 'adult Steam' site they could use. So their adult section will take longer for the simple reason that they have to establish their own site for it, and that can take years. Actually, the best thing people can do who want more adult titles from Sekai Project, is creating an account on Denpasoft and buy every available title from there instead of Steam. Well, I'm admittedly a pretty bad example for that since I personally don't have an account there yet, but I plan to change that for the Koikuma release.

Content gets removed, price goes down. Content gets added, price goes up. That much should be obvious. The only real discussion to be had from there is what the pricing of the extra content should be, and whether or not it makes more sense to have everyone pay the same price (making it more expensive for Steam users) and give out a patch for free. Personally, I don't mind paying for patches and I prefer it since Steam tends to have more sales and I gain a little extra change by selling cards. As for why certain VNs' patches cost double the Steam version, it's probably because the Japanese version costs around $20. This is especially relevant for Nekopara and KARAKARA, which are both multilingual releases. For example, if you don't like the price of Nekopara Vol. 2 on Denpasoft then you can buy it on DLsite—but it'll still be $20 no matter what (I think it's even a bit cheaper on Denpasoft). Giving out a patch for free would be undercutting their own sales since the original price is higher than Steam's.

Should make this the Sekai Project motto.

Seriously though, he's a grown man and the CEO of his company. I can't comprehend what caused him to behave that way out in the open regarding his company's business. Do it behind close doors, quickly, and settle the matter. If it requires legal, then bring them in and discuss it between legal. This is ridiculous to me. Why would you go on twitter and say "Let's talk in public what do you have to hide?". Why talk in public in the first place? . It's embarrassing for the company as a whole I think. I do understand that it's extremely frustrating to deal with a situation like this but you're the freaking CEO, handle it or hire someone to handle it for you [lawyer]. Nice article @sanahtlig, I don't follow twitter stuff so I wouldn't have been aware of it otherwise. It's pretty eye opening.

what about one thousand lies https://vndb.org/v19014 it's really good and the comedy is great

There's a big difference between pirated shit and this. If you want to pirate the game, then just pirate the whole damn thing. Literally what is the purpose of offering this? For people who aren't cheap enough to pirate but can't be damned to pay 10 more dollars? The only thing these do is dissuade steam users from actually buying from denpasoft, which isn't a good thing for anyone. Not to mention this persons "excuse" is a giant joke. " If you don’t know how I work on my patches, it’s quite simple: if there is a Steam version and a japanese version (priority is disc > download), I usually make a patch for the Steam release. Some people, like me, prefer also to directly support the developers, so even though you are holding two copies of the game, you cannot transfer the content between them even though they’re the exact same game with the exact same files. I’ve been always pretty vocal about this stuff and how it’s terrible to make you buy a third thing (usually the patch) to use the content you already own. " Apparently they're for people who have the steam version as well as the standalone 18+ version? That makes 0 sense at all, and ironically enough I find it funny that all these 18+ patches are for Sekai games, and you find none for Mangagamer steam titles. Oh, and they even apparently have an affiliate link to buy off Mangagamer's store. All of that, on top of the fact that this person takes donations. Sorry, but that's pretty scummy.

I'm who I've always been. I'm not responsible for Fuwanovel's actions, just as Fuwanovel doesn't want to be responsible for mine. We're a collection of individuals, each with our beliefs. I'm a bit surprised you're biting at that bait. The actions of the collective do not define the individual.

Back then Fuwanovel indeed didn't deserve respect. I've pirated things in the past, and I would not expect anyone to treat me with respect for having done so, either. Pirates do not deserve to be handled with respect, period. We've been working hard to earn the respect we deservedly lacked for years of torrent use and you can't use that past as a weapon to invalidate the arguments being made here.

Deploying the "hypocrite" card on a large scale like that is just going to get you piled on. Don't do it. On top of that, it shows your ignorance of the varied stances that people have towards piracy here and elsewhere.

You should apply for a job at Sekai Project. You'd fit right in.

its fucking porn. go to sad panda, have a fap, and get on with your sad, beta life. Honestly... this is cringe on all levels, by all parties involved

There's also the question of whether or not someone who knowingly and actively provides easy piracy options for your content deserves your respect.

Yeah, I don't like both their attitudes to be honest. It just reflects more poorly on Dovac because of the position he holds. He's not taking it down unless he's asked in a specific way? There's a difference between asking for respect and playing around.

The steam version gets dropped in price so the patch actually has a price, the only result of this is that steam kiddos get the game for cheaper. There's nothing for you to complain about.

Here is something from my deviantart. It is a bit rough but probably the best I'm going to be able to accomplish currently.

http://www.pixiv.net/member.php?id=678535

That’s a flawed idea, and it’s flawed because you’re attributing worth to amount of content. This is probably the same sort of idea Key has (quality equals number of lines) when they pump out their horrendously bloated VNs. In fact, many content creators will tell you the same thing, which is that charging proportionally for items due to ‘content’ is not the way to go. If Rowling withheld the 2nd last chapter of Harry Potter from everyone, the bit with the climax in it, how much would that be worth to people? I'd wager the number of lines has very little to do with it. Whether Sekai overcharges for the erotic content or not is probably related to business decisions that I’m not going to comment on. But the idea of setting a price for one version of the story based (loosely or not) on how many additional lines or CGs are added is something I'm loath to endorse. For a whole crapload of reasons. Reasons most of the community don't think about. Sure, companies abuse this by setting the price of expansion or additional content arbitrarily high, but isn't this solved by traditional market pressures? If companies set the price of additional content too high, people won't buy and they'll lose money? And if people do buy, then it's obviously not too high? The alternative 'pricing for amount of content' isn't really a road I want to head down.

Raymond Qian is a fucking cry baby not just a mountain of pure salt. How can a grown up man act like a child on the internet? He is the CEO of a company for god's sake, he should act like an adult for once! Even if he is right everything he does ruins it, you don't fight on your twitter account with the guy that you think is stealing from your company, you don't whine about your fucking job or criticizes your customers publicly for something they don't have anything to do! I'm referring to this tweets:

There is no patch nor public plans for it at the moment. Vndb is a good way to check if there is a translation. https://vndb.org/v7650

DONT DO IT FOR THE LOVE OF GOD DO NOT READ LITTLE BUSTERS

The House in Fata Morgana is 20 hours-ish (I clocked in at 24), and has fantastic music. I'd also say its super upbeat but I'd be a liar. Still though, its a fantastic read that fits 2 of the 3 requirements lol

Because after the starter phase, most people become to pretentious to appreciate it. "I only read REAL japanese Visual Novels" and stuff like that.

It's free.

Summary: One day, the face of the Earth was changed permanently when it came into contact with a mysterious force known as the “Alpha Nebula”. With it, humans developed various unexplainable abilities, and divided themselves based on those traits. The main factions include: The Tonitrui, the Excedente, the Praecantator, the Permuto, and the Northmanni. All have their own set of unique abilities that came with infamous Alpha Nebula collision, with the exception of the Northmanni who remain largely unchanged. Among these races however, existed a special group of people who managed to retain all the other race’s abilities. They were a very powerful, but small isolated group of people, called “emulators”. Arin Arlento was one of these people, living in a remote village with his grandfather and other emulators. All was going peacefully, until it was attacked by the Northmanni empire, who slaughtered his entire race and kidnapped his childhood friend, Aria. Being the only other survivor, Arin escaped into the Northmanni empire, hiding and plotting his revenge. That is until finding out that Aria is still alive, and is being experimented on by the Northmanni. Resentful of the world that took everything away from him, Arin begins his quest to retrieve his friend, and exact retribution on those who destroyed all that he held dear. It’s one misguided man against the world. Genres:[action, adventure, superpower, psychological, romance, war.] The GUI, done by Trey Fletcher; Structure: the story would be mostly linear as the choices mostly appear during battle and have their instant bad ends attached to it. The common route before each branching point is not very long as it serves to introduce the heroine who you would be branching into. It has an enforced playing order of Alacria->Aniam. Once the reader branches into the four other heroines the main story ends there and it focuses on the specific problems of the heroine. Due to various issues, Episicava would be released in 3 separate volumes as opposed to one whole. Setting: one of the main features of this story is that it is adventure styled. The protagonist and his posse of troubled combat capable girls move about on the various continents to seek new shelter. Each continent represents an ethnicity or fault of human nature. Northmanni- Modern day society. Styled after Japan and America. Fulgur- represents humanity’s scientific progression and the harm it causes. Tribus- represents African tribalism and the cultural implications it puts on its people. Progress: story- 1) prologue- 100% (will be used for demo) 2)part 1- { common route 100%, Alacria's route 70%} 3)part 2- {common route 100%, Aniam's route 70%} art- 1) sprites - 85% 2) bgs - 100% 3) cgs - 95% 4) GUI- 100% 5) Character designs- 100% music- 100% programming - 75% Team; Kotario (me) - Lead dev and main writer Snailmusk - Assistant dev and secondary writer Tristan Hallihan (Cipher) - Secondary writer Tim Reichert - Composer Nathan Cleary - Composer/Sound designer Leo Flores - Concept artist and character design Zhao - Main Character Artist and character design Hanh Chu - Secondary Character Artist Kertasu - Secondary Character artist Alais Legrand - Backgrounds Artist Joe "Bonesy" - Programmer/Marketer/PR Valhalla - Graphic Designer miscellaneous Please show your support for the Episicava visual novel by becoming a patron! thank you! https://www.patreon.com/user?u=3731847 check out our website at : http://epicworksnovels.com Some of our recently done CGS: Some of the backgrounds done by Alais Legrand; Thanks!

I see patches for Umineko and Higurashi on his site. Not 18+ patches, but MangaGamer titles nonetheless, and he's most definitely infringing copyright with these patches. Imouto Works claims that he works on patches for titles based on requests from followers. The biases of his followers could thus influence which titles he makes patches for. Admittedly, he doesn't have ethical grounds to stand on with regards to why he's still hosting the Nekopara Vol. 2 and KARAKARA patches, even after Sekai Project asked him to stop.

I pretty much second what Arcade said here, seems pretty neat! Keep it up and best of luck. Regarding this post, perhaps rework the format of the presentation. Cheers.

To be completely fair, when I first heard of your project, I thought it's gonna die soon and/or suck majorly After reading this post and looking at the single character art, I'm positively surprised Seems good, hoping for the best for you

While dovac might've been behaving unprofessionally, he was in no way obligated to give a "formal request" through email. The only formal request he's likely to give is a C&D order, which is certainly in his legal right to do so. I don't know, in the end dovac is still the immature and young CEO of a visual novel localization start-up that he's always been, whereas imoutoworks is stealing from creators because baddie Sekai Project wants to charge money for extra content.

Yeah. Also the initial request from Dovac was actually pretty pleasant, it's only after imoutoworks started stuffing around that he lashed out. I don't feel sorry for the guy.

I'm starting to admire Raimond Quinn, a CEO that speaks with onesty and has no problem with bashing the 18+ troglodites.

Seems fun, good luck! Also rofl Blender-gender sounds like a Tumblr joke. please don't correct it I identify as a blender.

https://twitter.com/mikisugina/status/755389911797145602

I have some fond memories of Karin. If you liked the anime, give the manga a try some time. Interestingly enough, when the mangaka was setting up for LN and anime adaptions of her work, she wanted two different instances of the story, each having their own unique character added. The LN adaption is supposedly a more mystery-oriented version of the story, whereas the anime was more lighthearted and comedy-oriented. The original manga is pretty dark, and the ending is bittersweet. The story was quite a bit more interesting though.

You don't need any pics to get my attention, Dergy

Gotta be Dracu-Riot! It's decently short, has a lot of lighthearted moments, some good comedy, especially when Nicola's on the scene, and its overall very satisfying Other good ones are My Girlfriend is the President, Deardrops, Majikoi, Noble Noodle Works, and Sepia Tears

Okujou no Yurirei (Kindred Spirits on the Roof) is a really good yuri comedy with good art and music. It isn't all that long, it's really lighthearted, and you can enjoy it even if you don't like yuri. Have a BGM:

Finished UBW What can I say, I climaxed 923589348 times getting to see everything animated, that was quite a treat. Unfortunately though the UBW bias is so strong in me now I'm having the hardest time ever trying to settle into Heaven's Feel in the VN ._.

Reached Chapter 6 of Yumina the Ethereal. I already knew the biggest twist beforehand, but I can definitely say I'm liking how everything's turning out. Entering Kirara's route now. I was really worried about the Chapter 4 boss fight, but it was easy enough to just destroy all her audience and make her fumble around like an idiot.

Celebrities and news anchors have already tried that, and all it did was piss them off. Shame tactics are really not effective at all to convince someone to vote for her. Yeah, we're probably headed for the brink of destruction at this point. This is why I have little to no faith in humanity.

Because it's a fantastic starter VN. It doesn't rely on the typical Japanese bullshit tropes, sure, there are plenty of elements there, but it almost never shoves it into your face like so many Japanese visual novels do. It manages to remain believable throughout the story, which is something few VNs manage to do. In this regard it does benefit form the fact that it remains pretty realistic, but that not necessary for something to be believable. Majikoi is a good example of a unrealistic visual novel that remains believable throughout the story, right from the start it sets you up with ridiculous scenarios and remains true to its universe. Katawa Shoujo also has an underlying theme that is very easy to relate to and make you feel for the characters, a very fitting soundtrack, decent art and some of the most human characters I have come across in a visual novel. And it's truly free.

What is Kitsune Magic Shop Play as Niyama , A young, naive, but highly confident Kitsune (Mythical Fox) girl. Her natural talents and kind nature always gets her into the thick of people's business. After being ostracized from their home in the city the two girls move into country to set up a small idealistic magic shop. Niyama's sister Nizume is highly confident and has a plan for the both of them, a plan that is buried in the pages of a mysterious magic book. Featuring light romantic themes the game will take Niyama to meet three interesting individuals around the town who hold Kitamora, the small village nestled in a valley, very close to their hearts. Her reactions to them will shape a relationship or destroy it through multiple story routes and a wide range of dialogue choices. A unique take on the visual novel genre When we first talked about development of a visual novel, originally we were gonna go for a tradition one,2D artwork and a somewhat linear story with the occasion choice to push you into a character route. After further discussion we decided that 3D would give us the ability to make background environments breath and get rid of boring static environments. As we continued we also went with 3D character models and implemented features such as mouth movement,changes in facial expression, emoji's,etc. The number 1 goal is to bring the characters and environments to life. Other Nifty features Fast Travel Map(Players can freely explore the world and be more involved in the story moving forward). Run your magic shop and craft potions from ingredients found in Kitamora. Standard VN Save/Load System, and log system. Language support out of the box. (We created our system from the ground up using unity3D. Dialogue uses XML so language conversion is very easy) Screenshots Some random screens from the demo! Download is below. A tense conversation with Nizume. Niyama exploring the Kitamora fishing peer. Mixing potions for the sick can be serious work. (Still in development ) Support Us Thank you for taking the time to checkout our new title, we've put so much work into making something that we feel is unique. Please take 1 minute to follow us on twitter/facebook, we're always updating our progress. We are also in process of getting our kickstarter prepared to gather support Twitter Facebook Steam Demo Link *note ~ Work in progress, please drop us a message on facebook or twitter if your having issues with the demo. Developer notes are on our facebook page which explain other details about controls.

So it turns out the voice actor for Audrey in HuniePop is a VA-11 Hall-A fan, and recorded some of Dorothy's lines. Fair warning: she's pretty excited in this scene. I would pay so much for a VA-11 Hall-A voice acting DLC featuring the best of the HuniePop cast, it isn't even funny.

I believe that I forgot to mention how great the soundtrack is. The soundtrack is really great. Especially this track: