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I voted on the third only too see all the passive-aggressive lines that i use when i indirectly insult someone.

Certain things are glamourized in this world. Saying we should include fat characters in our generally idealized stories is basically saying we as a society should shift the set of things we glamorize so that it makes a minority feel better. Atm, what we as a society glamorize is mostly depends on what the masses like, and what companies try to propagate to forward their brands and ventures. IMO, ideally, you should train people to recognize these societal glorifications for what they are, which is just things to be enjoyed, not reflections of the truth. You shouldn't advocate for a different set of glorifications in order to lull fat people to thinking the reality is some how kinder for it. The reality is what it is. I think there was a line of criticism against LN's for glorifying being living an otaku lifestyle. If there was a parallel universe where such otaku-glorifiying LN's didn't exist (that was like 15 years ago), that would be fine, too. I'm sure there were and are a lot of otaku who felt pressure (both external, from people's opinions, and internal, from lack of validation) from the type of lifestyle they chose/fell into. The main issue with fat people is not the difference of preference (that should very much be allowed), but existing prejudice. Fat people shouldn't be bullied in school, or insulted anywhere. But those are difficult challenges that revolve around human nature. If your fat and some asshole insults you based on that, that's because they are an asshole, and not particularly because you are fat. Or they have a prejudice. The prejudice, and more importantly, how people act on that prejudice, is the more productive and realistic issue to tackle.

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Nice, I look forward to reading your posts!

-Wonders why bathroom pic is spoilered -Clicks pic

Great thing that people are debating on this topic, but if I let you guys keep discussing the way things are, the moderators will probably remove my post. Post locked.

You can have your own opinion, but saying such a terrible thing to me and people who have empathy is terrible. It's sick actually. No type of bullying is right. As someone who has been bullying for many years for many different reasons, I know from experience that people like you are what make it worse. Even if I disliked something I would never encourage others to attack people who may like it or act a way I don't like. Bullying is never good no matter what form and proof of that is when people commit suicide due to being attacked or hurt all the time. So please, don't use this same phrase. I've seen many similar things before. I'm not going to argue about it with you cause it'll go nowhere. I just believe anyone who thinks bullying another is okay is sick.

I find this thread very disheartening and this comment very offensive and dumb. Any type of bullying is wrong and people like you who think it's okay to shame someone are sick in the damned head. You want to be thinner? Fine. But don't think you have the right to say something so stupid. Not everyone is going to be a thin person. People have different builds, height etc. Yes, I don't think it's healthy to be obese and losing weight is important, but many aren't going to be thin. I have plenty of friends who are chubby and are in a healthy state and are beautiful. You lack empathy. I'm sorry but it's true. Just like Extra Mana I find what you say to be very toxic. Please don't assume something for the whole world just cause of your experience. I find that many thin people can be really ugly and bigger people beautiful. I'm not saying we need to promote being obese, but we need to promote different body builds that are healthy. And guess what, their are chubby people who are a good healthy size and still beautiful. Honestly I'm not surprised to be seeing this from the anime community. Still I'm sad to see comments like this from this guy and Extra Mana. Just proves how toxic and close minded people are. People like you guys who say such horrid things no little about empathy or or have never had it in the first place.

Aint nobody want to see fat dude in a cute grill VN If i want to see fat dude i'll look into the mirror

I'm going to be blunt when I say cultural appropriation is in itself a ridiculous concept for anyone born in the US, where cultural appropriation is in itself our culture. So please, don't go crazy on that one...