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    Compilation of VNDB Ratings

    in Visual Novel Talk

    Posted

    You know, I thought about it and I came to the conclusion that there can only be one true purpose to this list, for those who can't read japanese but still want EGS scores, you cannot easily determine the true vndb score anyway, so by combining EGS scores with VNDB links we have the most important part of both sites.
     

    Compilation of VNDB Ratings

    in Visual Novel Talk

    Compilation of VNDB Ratings

    in Visual Novel Talk

    Posted

    One of the biggest problems to overcome is inconsistent naming, you can give two english titles and a japanese title to every game, but only one is the most recognized.

    I'll do the 50 sort like you suggested for now and make a separate table for entries with less than 50 entries, kind of like a please play these and rate them table..something of that nature.

    I can make no promises about how long this will take.
     

    Compilation of VNDB Ratings

    in Visual Novel Talk

    Posted

    One last thing, using the vndb Bayesian rating (the number you are posting) is very misleading, especially for non-translated and new titles.

    Take example Irotoridori no Sekai (which you are by the way missing in the list), has an average vote of 8.44 and Bayesian to 8.10 (since only 159 votes on VNDB, compared to like 1000 on EGS). And then take its sequel Irotoridori no Hikari (I wouldn't really call it a fandisc, its literally a full length sequel almost as long as the original game) which is rated on vndb as 8.55 average but Bayesian pushed to 7.76 (well obviously if the original game has only 159 votes, the sequel will have even less since people have to finish the original in the first place). So according to this VNDB rating the sequel is worse than the original game, which is actually not how it is viewed by most people (EGS is like 81 for original vs 86 for sequel with like 1000 and 500 votes respectively). The second game is viewed as the better of the 2 and rightfully so.

     

    This vndb rating system puts too much emphasis on the number of votes which for stuff like this causes inaccurate information about how people voted.

    This will also never give a chance to newly released games, since they can never achieve so many votes as something like FSN.

     

    So I would recommend switching to the average rating if you are going to do this, it won't change much for the top positions, but it will allow newer games to be in the top, where they belong. (and lets be honest if you're gonna be picking between outdated game released in 2001 or something and a game with awesome new effects and graphics and HD resolution, both of which are about equally rated as far as the writing goes - you will probably want to pick the newer one, where as vndb advises you to pick the old one).

    I did include the vote count for those who are brave enough to try and stabilize it, ..But realistically I doubt more than 50 people are going to see this list anyway.

    The reason I didn't use average instead of bayesian (I did previously, but ugh) is because the bayesian ratings are next to the names instead of having to open each entry in a new tab, It's not impossible to do, but laziness is what mankind specialises in.

    By the way, I'm going to upload something I made a few days ago but decided to scrap.

    It provides a look into how the two systems differ in ratings

    Pretty sure it's very incomplete.

    50+ Hours

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    30-50 Hours

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    10-30 Hours

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    Averages VNDB, Median EGS (Since that is what fuwanovel lists)

    Except in the cases where even EGS won't vote on something.

    While the average VNDB does reflect the actual score better, I can't in good conscious list something as 8.00 with 4 votes, even in those cases EGS may or may not have votes on it either.

    Do you think the EGS  median is more fair or should I also just use the egs average?

    I can also favor one over the other, the images are -20%A + 20%B, though maybe a "fair" weighted score is the best option (First column)

    Irotori Data

    Sekai

    VNDB: Bayesian 8.10, Vote Count 159, Average 8.44

    EGS:   Median    8.10, Vote Count 843, Average 8.00

    Hitori

    VNDB: Bayesian 7.76, Vote Count 57, Average 8.55

    EGS:   Median    8.40, Vote Count 49, Average 7.90

    In Hitori, you can see that the two are almost opposites, If you followed averages for EGS, you would still come to the conclusion that the sequel was worse, which I'm going to take your word for it, is better.

    Irotori Rating Data

    Sekai:VNDB Bayesian + EGS Median = 8.10 (Same)

    Sekai:VNDB Average  + EGS Average = 8.06

    Sekai:VNDB Average + EGS Median   =  8.40

    Hitori: VNDB Bayesian + EGS Median = 8.05

    Hitori: VNDB Average  + EGS Average = 8.24

    Hitori  VNDB Average  + EGS Median  = 8.48

    Oh, and lastly, the Irotori is at the bottom of the image because as far as I know, the website is down and thus the status is unknown

     

     

     

    Compilation of VNDB Ratings

    in Visual Novel Talk

    Posted

    While you may not agree with the top of the list, I still believe it provided a somewhat useful insight into what really isn't worth your time, EG (If these people who will play anything rate this game a 5, it probably sucks.)

    I'm currently revising Completed Fan Translations right now.
    The preview is up, looking at it the green color isn't that bad.

    I'll continue this another day.

    Compilation of VNDB Ratings

    in Visual Novel Talk

    Posted

    Don't take VNDB too seriously, working your way through its rating list is like working your way through your typical 'top 50 anime' list. Generally most of the votes are cast by young dudes, so a lot of the stuff up the top is your typical shounen stuff, then you get the pseudo philosophical/psychological/obligatory deep stories, and then you get stuff like monster girl ...

     

    The only difference is, in the VN list you also get a lot of games incorrectly defined. Like Blazblue and Ace Attorney. Take the VNDB list with a massive grain of salt and just don't try to understand it.

    ...Man, this thing doesn't keep me logged in,

    So is EGS any better? I had some preconceptions about a site dedicated to the purpose of eroges might be more biased toward nukige's

    Compilation of VNDB Ratings

    in Visual Novel Talk

    Posted

    The purpose of this thread is to provide a more diverse categorisation without all the useless clutter vndb offers (7 listings for the same game.)

    Clutter like the console the game is on when you rarely care, the flag when all your results are English anyway, popularity..

    I won't deny that this will grow out of date, but that doesn't particularly matter for things with a lot of votes anyway, they're not suddenly going to change.

    In lieu of the change over time factor, I will include the rating count as well, which VNDB so kindly offers.
    I will then do a custom sort for lowest amount of votes, then check those again after a while.
    But I wonder what the threshhold for a "stable" rating is?...

    Compilation of VNDB Ratings

    in Visual Novel Talk

    Posted

    Cool list.

     

    Btw untranslated is missing: Subarashiki Hibi and Aiyoku no Eustia

    Subarashiki is Wonderful Everyday, Discontinued Existence /

    It would require a lot of work to do English to JP Translations, It's at least 800 entries with at least 700 unique,

    I'll see, but it will take a while.

    Given that the maximum length for a line doesn't allow both an alternative english name and alternative japanese name, japanese alternative it is..

    Also, Aiyoku isn't missing, it's at the bottom because the translation percentage is unknown,.. if you do know how that is going you can tell me and I'll update it.

    Before you ask, I didn't write down a few of them, but I doubt anyone will care because they were all 5.50-6.00 anyway.

    http://vndb.org/v5607 and its sequels.

    Compilation of VNDB Ratings

    in Visual Novel Talk

    Posted

    How the hell did MGQ get 8.5?

    And why is Steins;Gate 8-bit missing from this list?

    MGQ 3, To be precise, 555 votes, I might say that perhaps it has something going for it but not enough to differentiate it from the other 2 games.

    As for 8-bit, it's english name is now Steins;Gate Variant Space Octet, apparently.

    I'll do some revisions for titles that are in japanese to reflect their english name.

    I am still seeking information on whether hyperlinks are possible.

    Compilation of VNDB Ratings

    in Visual Novel Talk

    Posted · Edited by Warudusu

    Still deciding some things, can't collect the data until I'm positive about the information displayed, you know.
    Eventually.. If you know how to AJAX I'd like your help for calling the descriptions instead of just putting the text in the document, it really inflates the file size.. (up to 50% of each entry is the description so it would really make a difference.)

    Currently working on custom options, like Sexual Content Sorting, and score threshold sorting, I am pretty shit at javascript so could be a long time. by the way, the Sexual Content tab has four values, Kige (Nukige) High (High Sexual Content) Low (Low Sexual Content) and All (All Ages)


    For in-progress translations,
    http://blog.fuwanovel.net/2015/03/two-niche-tools-for-following-vn-tl-updates/
    In addition to the weekly progress updates
    http://blog.fuwanovel.net/category/projectupdates/

    Also, if anybody knows what happened to VNTLS, couldn't find that out..
     

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