GLM4475 Posted August 26, 2015 Posted August 26, 2015 I was on my way home when I saw a kitten slept so peacefully near my room. It's not unusual to saw a scenery of a cat sleeping but somehow I wonder, do animals dreams when they sleep? We saw in film/movies/mangas/cartoons that they do dream. But all of those are things human made. We should ask themselves to really know the answer. But then how could we ask them that question and understand the answer when we don't understand their language? Then it's only opinions we have about it. Even so, I want to know your opinion on this. If you think they do dream, what kind of dream they have? Quote
monkeysrumble Posted August 26, 2015 Posted August 26, 2015 I don't really have any scientific data or nothing but I did have a dog that use to cry in her sleep a lot. Just every so often she just started crying and sometime yelping in her sleep and I always just assumed she was having nightmares. My other dog was a run away stray that we think was abused (we never quite knew what happened) and he use to do the same thing. Quote
Nosebleed Posted August 26, 2015 Posted August 26, 2015 There's no encompassing answer for this. We know mammals dream since they all have similar neural networks to us, but we're not so sure about many other species. Quote
MasterTreecko Posted August 26, 2015 Posted August 26, 2015 There was an occasion where my dog suddenly barks, but when I look at him, he's sleeping. And moments later, his feet started move, as if he was running, but with low energy.(probably because he is dreaming) I did nothing but stared at him for a while to check him if he's dreaming, but he didn't move after that. Quote
Flutterz Posted August 26, 2015 Posted August 26, 2015 The more "intelligent" ones do, the less "intelligent" ones probably don't. The more interesting question is "do androids dream of electric sheep?" GLM4475 and Canicheslayer 2 Quote
TexasDice Posted August 26, 2015 Posted August 26, 2015 Animals don't dream, they just do it. Tenkuru and atorq 2 Quote
Eclipsed Posted August 26, 2015 Posted August 26, 2015 I have a dream That one day we will live in a nation Where we will undoubtedly know if animals dream or not. Quote
Flutterz Posted August 26, 2015 Posted August 26, 2015 B-B-But I am an animal! So? Do you dream? Don't leave us hanging! Quote
Yuuko Posted August 26, 2015 Posted August 26, 2015 So? Do you dream? Don't leave us hanging! Maybe Quote
The Major Posted August 26, 2015 Posted August 26, 2015 Animals don't dream, they just do it. That's pretty inspirational, bruh. Quote
starlessn1ght Posted August 26, 2015 Posted August 26, 2015 The more "intelligent" ones do, the less "intelligent" ones probably don't. The more interesting question is "do androids dream of electric sheep?" The only intelligent ones are dogs. The other ones are all retarded (proof of that is how a lot of cats can't even cross a street without dying, as opposed to many dogs.) So, as cats are dumb, they probably don't dream. B-B-But I am an animal! You're not an intelligent animal, thus, you don't dream. Quote
Flutterz Posted August 26, 2015 Posted August 26, 2015 (proof of that is how a lot of cats can't even cross a street without dying, as opposed to many dogs.) A lot of people can't cross a street without dying too, does that mean humans don't dream? Quote
Yuuko Posted August 26, 2015 Posted August 26, 2015 The only intelligent ones are dogs. You're not an intelligent animal, thus, you don't dream. This makes no sense! Also the amount of cats that cross the street is wayyy higher than the amount of dogs that do that. Quote
Josephl64 Posted August 26, 2015 Posted August 26, 2015 I'd say they do, I remember my dog used to "run" in her sleep. She would also sometimes bark or growl too. (of course I don't think all animals dream, the more intelligent ones probably do though) Quote
starlessn1ght Posted August 26, 2015 Posted August 26, 2015 This makes no sense! Also the amount of cats that cross the street is wayyy higher than the amount of dogs that do that. This just proves my point. Dogs are intelligent enough to know it is dangerous. A lot of people can't cross a street without dying too, does that mean humans don't dream? Huh? Who? Quote
Flutterz Posted August 26, 2015 Posted August 26, 2015 Huh? Who? The ones that get run over while crossing a street? Quote
starlessn1ght Posted August 26, 2015 Posted August 26, 2015 The ones that get run over while crossing a street? Compare proportionally to the cats which do this. Quote
Flutterz Posted August 26, 2015 Posted August 26, 2015 Compare proportionally to the cats which do this. Keep in mind that we teach people who don't understand by themselves that cars are dangerous, and drivers are much more encouraged not to run people over than they are to not run cats over. Similarly I'd imagine a lot of dogs are trained not to jump in front of cars because when their owner takes them for a walk they can stop them, and last I checked most people don't walk their cats. Quote
starlessn1ght Posted August 26, 2015 Posted August 26, 2015 Keep in mind that we teach people who don't understand by themselves that cars are dangerous, and drivers are much more encouraged not to run people over than they are to not run cats over. Similarly I'd imagine a lot of dogs are trained not to jump in front of cars because when their owner takes them for a walk they can stop them, and last I checked most people don't walk their cats. This is difficult to analyze, then. But my intuition tells me cats are dumb. Quote
Nosebleed Posted August 26, 2015 Posted August 26, 2015 This is difficult to analyze, then. But my intuition tells me cats are dumb.Cats aren't dumb, they domesticate themselves, which is why they don't know a car is dangerous a lot of the times and their instinct when seeing one is to run forward. Actually, just arguing "which animal is the dumbest" is pretty retarded in itself since they all have different instincts, and unlike humans who have self consciousness and thus have a perceived notion of dumbness, animals just do what their instinct tells them to, and something might look dumb on a human level, but to that animal it's normal. Quote
KuroganeHomura Posted August 26, 2015 Posted August 26, 2015 https://news.mit.edu/2001/dreaming http://www.improverse.com/ed-articles/richard_wilkerson_2003_jan_evolution.htm https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/dream-catcher/201105/evolution-rem-sleep-and-dreams Long story short, yes, animals do dream. Quote
Eclipsed Posted August 26, 2015 Posted August 26, 2015 Dunno about dreaming in the sense of having fantastical episodes, but supposedly animals do have similar REM sleep that humans do, where the brain organizes information etc. yada yada https://news.mit.edu/2001/dreaming Quote
Deep Blue Posted August 27, 2015 Posted August 27, 2015 well humans have dreams and are animals so why cant other animals have dreams too? 夢を見た Quote
GLM4475 Posted August 27, 2015 Author Posted August 27, 2015 The only intelligent ones are dogs. The other ones are all retarded (proof of that is how a lot of cats can't even cross a street without dying, as opposed to many dogs.) So, as cats are dumb, they probably don't dream. You're not an intelligent animal, thus, you don't dream. In the first place, is there any general things to dfferentiate between "dumb" and "smart" creatures? After all they're different, have their own habit, pattern of thinking (if they do think), instinct, also their own pluses and minuses. Maybe they're "dumb" in doing some things, but maybe they're "smart" in doing some other things. Even in humans, each individual is different. There are some of them who excel in cooking, or doing sports, or singing, acting, or other things. Just because they can't solve an arithmetic or algebraic problem, then will all of them be called as "dumb"? Sounds like a very well-thought-out, evidence supported, unbiased study you got there No sweeping generalizations in that one! I've seen both my cat and dog twitch, move and make noises in their sleep, and my dog did the "running in sleep" thing that all dogs seem to do eventually.. Can't be sure, obviously, but when the same reactions are observed in humans, they're usually dreaming, so it'd be logical to assume that cats and dogs can dream. REM sleep is said to occur in all mammals and even in birds, according to Wikipedia, so there's another piece of evidence. Hmm, I'm not sure about Wikipedia. After all, everyone can edit Wiki's entries. Though there are some requirements to edit entries, it's still rather easy to edit some entries. Also there are many people complaint because they got an F on their reports because using Wikipedia as their resource. All of the professors in my college doesn't even accept Wiki's entries as a valid source. https://news.mit.edu/2001/dreaming http://www.improverse.com/ed-articles/richard_wilkerson_2003_jan_evolution.htm https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/dream-catcher/201105/evolution-rem-sleep-and-dreams Long story short, yes, animals do dream. Good work finding them man, even though I'm not a fan of evolution theory, it's still interesting to read articles like this sometime. Quote
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