Root Double- Before Crime * After Days - Kickstarter launched!

[WinterfuryZX]

I don't care, VN are hard to translate, and I'm a WEE backer. Also, they retranslated Clannad in 9 months, it was an Incredible feat.

[Decay]

Vita version confirmed: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/sekaiproject/root-double-before-crime-after-days-xtend-edition/posts/1473372

> programming will be handled by Regista, will take at least a year to release due to multiple factors.

That's not great, but at least it's something? 

edit: Oh, I almost missed it:

> the PSVita port is exclusive to the $225 tier and up.

So yeah, if you were waiting for the Vita port, maybe keep on waiting until it releases on PSN some time in 2017. Unless you are just that dedicated, I guess.

[LightBladeNova]

I'm not sure how to feel about this update honestly... the gameplay video looks amazing, but...

$225 and above for the Vita, along with taking at least a year to release... that's pretty rough. I'd feel much better if the Vita were in the $150 tier.

I was expecting tier updates to be more than just Vita + name addition to the True Ending credits...

 

[Crayten]

Honestly if someone wants to play VNs on a portable device buy a windows 10 tablet and dont stick with a PSV.

Its the way better choice in my opinion.

[Deep Blue]

this is way this project is struggling so much, what's the point on adding vita if you are going to put it in a 225 dollar tier? anyone that wants to pledge for the vita version only they can't :/ so all the backers of vita players are escencially screwed

[Runder]

5 minutes ago, LightBladeNova said:

that's pretty rough. I'd feel much better if the Vita were in the $150 tier.

and a physical copy instead of digital.

[LightBladeNova]

4 minutes ago, Runder said:

and a physical copy instead of digital.

There can't be a physical copy because the VN is too big. It was the same for the Japanese Vita port too, that one is download-only. 

[Runder]

1 minute ago, LightBladeNova said:

There can't be a physical copy because the VN is too big. It was the same for the Japanese Vita port too, that one is download-only. 

Oh, my mistake. The one I was looking at was the PlayStation 3 release.

[WinterfuryZX]

Win't happen it's too late for that...

Anw... no new tier over 275 usd, I'll probably make a custom pledge during the final day.

[kyrt]

The whole can't be physical copy because the VN is too big is complete bullshit. They could easily spit the game into two discs (or whatever it is the vita uses) like they used to do for games in the past.

This kickstarter has been one mistake after the other and honestly I've yet to back it because of it. Every time I get a slight inclination to maybe back at the 30 dollar tier they do something else to make me think this is just a mess. The fact they plan to get it out by March (unless I misread and they meant next year) means that it's quite obvious that the game is already complete or close to completion as far as translation goes. I am not quite sure why they are bothering with a kickstarter they could of sold the game normally and likely would have made over their goal by simply doing it that way.

Sekai Project simply needs to learn to not announce a game as releasing with the "If the Kickstarter is successful". Japanese companies are trying to take advantage of Kickstarter. I backed the Libra Project primarily because of the fact it was a new game and by a studio trying to push into the market...they also had an extremely successful kickstarter both in tiers, feedback, reaching out to the community, etc... This has been the complete opposite. I would love to play Root Double but I am not going to be kickstarting it. If it makes Kickstarter then I'll pick the game up for 30 to 40 dollars upon successful release on PC. I have a theory that if (big if) the game has already had so much work done for it that they won't simply ignore trying to make back some of those funds and we'll see the game again with either a better kickstarter or as a normal release...that's assuming they've put any work into it. The only difference is they might release the game without voices to try and recuperate expected loss. 

[WinterfuryZX]

They have to pay distribution right to regista, they can't simply put it out on steam.

[Satsuki]

I'm actually a little bit confused. They started translating the game half a year before the KS, but would only release if the KS ended in success. So if the KS fails, they will just throw all of their work into the trash bin or something?

[Eclipsed]

Better to make fans 'wait less' than to give them more time to fund kickstart

[VirginSmasher]

7 minutes ago, Satsuki said:

I'm actually a little bit confused. They started translating the game half a year before the KS, but would only release if the KS ended in success. So if the KS fails, they will just throw all of their work into the trash bin or something?

And this is why they should've started the Kickstarter back near when the announcement was made. More hype and attention that way and you wouldn't have to waste all this work on a project that's gonna fail.

[Maxel]

I don't know what's the plan behind it, but I don't think that it will help that much. Normal guy, wants his Vita version, he look at KS page: "Oh okay, there's vita, time to pledge!" Then he sees that he would need to pledge 225$ or more: "Okay, nvm." While addind Vita version is pretty nice, I don't think many Vita players will ride this train... It would be way better just adding VITA tier at 30$ and Vita&PC Digital Bundle at like 60$ You would probably get couple hundreds of people. Maybe even more, who knows. We'll see how it'll go, I want it to succeed, so... And you left 1000/5000/7000 as they are, well that's your choice.

These tiers just saddens me... They're really uncomparable to Muv-Luv or even Libra. Cost of Libra B/W Shikishi 1000$, cost of Muv Luv Maxima Colored Shikishi 300~~$ Official Colored Shikishi 1000~~$ (Muv-Luv ones maybe even less, because of the other prizes) Root Double B/W Shikishi 4000$+ Root Double Colored Shikishi 6000$+ 

I'm not a hater of SP, but if Regista/Yeti wanted to offer tiers like this, you should just say "Are you guys out of your minds?" It's not even about supporting the KS/game/devs or not, it's about RESPECTING the visual novel fanbase... Someone still will probably have to pledge this amount to save this KS... I know Root Double doesn't have much merchendise, but that doesn't mean that you have to put tiers like these. I would just delete them personally. 

Someone who's willing to pledge 7000$ should get at least a meeting with writer/artist + both B/W and Colored Shikishis

Sorry for a little bashing, I hope I didn't offend anyone...

Spoiler

 

 

[WinterfuryZX]

So it's pretty much confirmed it won't get released if the kickstarter fails.

[LightBladeNova]

Well... on the plus side, guys, the gameplay video is amazing:
 

 

[Crayten]

While it is kinda sad that we wont get the game, it is at least a good lesson for SP that costumer wont pay unreasonable amounts of money for their overpriced tiers.

Maybe this will stop them from relying entirely on KS as a storefront instead of investing money in projects.

[Maxel]

3 minutes ago, LightBladeNova said:

Well... on the plus side, guys, the gameplay video is amazing:

I agree, the game looks amazing 

[kyrt]

A big part of me is hoping this fails so we can see how Sekai Project continues moving forward. They've done all the work already but they have also backed themselves in a corner. They can't ignore the Kickstarter because if they release the game even without a Kickstarter for it they've lost the incentive that people had to back via Kickstarter. If they know they'll get the game anyways why bother backing unless they want something like a vita/android/extra in-game content? Their future Kickstarters would fail simply because of this idea of it will release regardless of what I do. Personally I'd prefer them to just release it normally. 

The one thing they might be able to do to salvage this situation is to do a new Kickstarter (better tiers and rewards) a few months down the road if this one fails. Or they can release the game without voices to at least try to make back some of the lost income from the work put into it already. 

It astounds me they would be so stupid to put the Vita version behind a 250 dollar paywall. Whoever thought that was a smart idea should hit themselves repeatedly. They've now lost potential backers all because they got greedy and wanted the vita version before they had the normal one. I can't believe how bad this Kickstarter has been organized. 

Admittedly this still has over a week left before it ends and there is at least one potential pay period within this time frame which means that if people simply don't have money because of the holidays they might be able to get some before this ends. A lot of Kickstarters either succeed right away or within the last 3 days. 

[VirginSmasher]

2 minutes ago, kyrt said:

A big part of me is hoping this fails so we can see how Sekai Project continues moving forward. They've done all the work already but they have also backed themselves in a corner. They can't ignore the Kickstarter because if they release the game even without a Kickstarter for it they've lost the incentive that people had to back via Kickstarter. If they know they'll get the game anyways why bother backing unless they want something like a vita/android/extra in-game content? Their future Kickstarters would fail simply because of this idea of it will release regardless of what I do. Personally I'd prefer them to just release it normally. 

This is basically what I said earlier. I hope that this KS fails at this point, even if it is a phenomenal game in a lot of people's eyes, because then hopefully SP will learn something from it and stop relying on Kickstarter all the time because people will not feel the need to fund them anymore if that's all they're gonna use and then all their projects will fail unless they already have a giant following.

[grim_tales1]

$225 for Vita? Oy....
I dont mind upping to $99 but paying all that money for a digital only release that you wont see for a year is rough
Sad to say I think this will fail, its such a shame as I really want to play it

[Maxel]

2 minutes ago, VirginSmasher said:

This is basically what I said earlier. I hope that this KS fails at this point, even if it is a phenomenal game in a lot of people's eyes, because then hopefully SP will learn something from it and stop relying on Kickstarter all the time because people will not feel the need to fund them anymore if that's all they're gonna use and then all their projects will fail unless they already have a giant following.

You want SP to release 1 big game a year and 15x Reverse/Reverse or Ribi Ribi? They don't sleep on money, if they would have 135k to pay for Root Double I bet they'll do it, unless they want to save these 135k to get more licenses. Like Yuzusoft/Purple Software or https://vndb.org/v17823

[WinterfuryZX]

I'm already at 275 tier and the vita release is certainly not my priority, my only interest is see the game released, I don't give a shit about the crap they'll ship me by mail, lol.

[LightBladeNova]

It's not too late for SP to realize their screw up and lower the Vita to $100-$150, right? They could also just make it a Vita-dedicated tier and remove all (or most of) the other extraneous rewards... (and just include the physical/digital OST).