Visual Novel Kinks, Tropes, Cliches, Stereotypes, and Common Logic Flaws you are tired of seeing

[Justin579]

when there is a sister heroine and they act like tis all natural to fuck/be together with their sibling since that would never happen irl?

[Nosebleed]

On 19/01/2016 at 1:08 AM, Zenophilious said:

WATERSPORTS.  I HATE watersports so much, and it's everywhere.  I just want it to stop and for the characters to only have sex that involves the normal bodily fluids necessary for that to happen  ;-;

On 19/01/2016 at 10:29 PM, CeruleanGamer said:

I read a lot of nukige, and they are pretty much everywhere there. Not fond of it either especially if it involves DRINKING. 

What a bunch of casuals.

I'm glad I developed a watersports fetish, it did wonders to my enjoyment of hentai manga

[Eclipsed]

Today I learned that watersports doesn't necessarily mean stuff like water polo

[OriginalRen]

4 minutes ago, Eclipsed said:

Today I learned that watersports doesn't necessarily mean stuff like water polo

I was in the same boat 2 months ago.

[Freestyle80]

1 hour ago, Eclipsed said:

Today I learned that watersports doesn't necessarily mean stuff like water polo

The more u know  

[VirginSmasher]

2 hours ago, Eclipsed said:

Today I learned that watersports doesn't necessarily mean stuff like water polo

I'm not even gonna try looking it up. Saves my sanity, what little I have left.

[Canicheslayer]

3 minutes ago, VirginSmasher said:

I'm not even gonna try looking it up. Saves my sanity, what little I have left.

Yes, don't look. Save your sanity. For me it's too late. I really hate watersports

[Justin579]

I remember what it is now. I cannot stand it in every VN there is always a scene where a guy "Accidently" walks in a some chick changing.

[VirginSmasher]

40 minutes ago, Justin579 said:

I remember what it is now. I cannot stand it in every VN there is always a scene where a guy "Accidently" walks in a some chick changing.

You know if these games are doing it, it's not good. Hell, that cliché had already been done to death by 2005.

[Justin579]

2 minutes ago, VirginSmasher said:

You know if these games are doing it, it's not good. Hell, that cliché had already been done to death by 2005.

last game was good?

[VirginSmasher]

38 minutes ago, Justin579 said:

last game was good?

I hardly consider Go Go Nippon to be a good visual novel. It's more a tour of Japan in visual novel form with anime girls. Why would I read that when I could look up what goes on in Japan and Fakku at the same time?

[Justin579]

2 minutes ago, VirginSmasher said:

I hardly consider Go Go Nippon to be a good visual novel. It's more a tour of Japan in visual novel form with anime girls. Why would I read that when I could look up what goes on in Japan and Fakku at the same time?

because fakku cost money?

[VirginSmasher]

Just now, Justin579 said:

because fakku cost money?

Just an example. I usually use Luscious for my hentai manga, but we all have our sites.

[ChaosRaven]

Something that's really bugging me for a long time now, is the endless list of sexual fetishes which comes almost unseparable with the whole visual novel genre.

Why is it, that since I started reading VN's, I came to know about three dozen sexual fetishes at least?! And half of them I'd prefer to forget and a quarter of them I would prefer to not even exist.

I mean, meanwhile I probably know more sexual fetishes than a professional porn star, which is quite irritating considering I'm usually just going for vanilla stuff. 

[ittaku]

Plenty of ones I agree with already mentioned. In addition - I can't stand when a beautifully executed romance and touching sex scene then deteriorates into doing it in public places.

[VirginSmasher]

12 minutes ago, ittaku said:

Plenty of ones I agree with already mentioned. In addition - I can't stand when a beautifully executed romance and touching sex scene then deteriorates into doing it in public places.

I know right. Just a romantic scene and all of sudden they're banging on the train, in a plane, in the hallways, in the bathroom, and even in the water. I mean Jesus guys, you guys aren't rabbits.

[Freestyle80]

14 hours ago, ittaku said:

Plenty of ones I agree with already mentioned. In addition - I can't stand when a beautifully executed romance and touching sex scene then deteriorates into doing it in public places.

exactly, one h-scene per route is fine, most vn devs starts adding a dozen in succession for no reason

special cases like Amane's route is fine as it actually had a meaning but most of the time feels unnatural and forced

[ittaku]

Just now, Freestyle80 said:

exactly, one h-scene per route is fine, the devs starts adding a dozen in succession for no reason

special cases like Amane's route is fine as it actually had a meaning but most of the time feels unnatural 

Yeah and not only do they feel the urge to add extra H scenes, they go out of their way to try and 'spice things up' for no sensible reason quite early on in a relationship. Suddenly it's huge sex toys or exhibitionism or humiliation on a dog lead or whatever else.

[Freestyle80]

1 minute ago, ittaku said:

Yeah and not only do they feel the urge to add extra H scenes, they go out of their way to try and 'spice things up' for no sensible reason quite early on in a relationship. Suddenly it's huge sex toys or exhibitionism or humiliation on a dog lead or whatever else.

thats the worst when they start adding weird fetishes in it, why leave those for the nukiges  

[ChaosRaven]

3 hours ago, Freestyle80 said:

special cases like Amane's route is fine as it actually had a meaning

No, they were absolutely unnecessary! At that point of the story,

they didn't really have feelings for each other yet. That was absolutely clear even without the H-scenes. Seeing Amane pretty much prostituting herself, just to please the brother of the person she really likes, was horrible to see. And Yuuji going for her at that point almost made me hate him since it was borderline abuse. Maybe if it would have been just one scene to make it clear even for the 'not so bright ones', but showing almost half a dozen H-scenes for it was pretty much presenting abuse as fan service. And that's amongst the worst kind of H-scenes there is.

While I agree that a lot of VN's show H-scenes that don't fit the situation, I don't agree that there should be only H-scenes to 'prove a point'. Like one H-scene to show that they are in love, one rape & humilation scene to show that they are not in love, one guro scene to show that he really hates her, etc.

A relationship in real life doesn't consist of doing it 'just once' either, even if the catholic church would like to make us believe that. The thing that needs to be improved is that they don't just spam out of place H-scenes and go with the flow instead, considering the situation and personaility of the involved characters.

[Funnerific]

@ChaosRaven

You are working on the assumption that H-scenes are there to have a meaning in the first place. Their first and foremost point is titillation, it's only natural that most H-scenes don't really make sense. The developers have to put them in the game in such a way as to create the right mood leading to them. If you simply had a timeskip at the end of the game straight into an H-scene, other questions would arise, such as "how are they doing now, in general?" and it would simply feel too sudden.

Try to be a bit more forgiving, is all I'm saying. Poorly-made H-content bothers me too, but I've come to realize that some elements are unavoidable.

[ChaosRaven]

14 minutes ago, Funnerific said:

You are working on the assumption that H-scenes are there to have a meaning in the first place. Their first and foremost point is titillation, it's only natural that most H-scenes don't really make sense.

I think by saying "I don't agree that there should be only H-scenes to 'prove a point'" I've claimed exactly the opposite. So, you're actually agreeing with me.

[Funnerific]

My bad, I misread your post

[Freestyle80]

2 hours ago, ChaosRaven said:

No, they were absolutely unnecessary! At that point of the story, they didn't really have feelings for each other yet. That was absolutely clear even without the H-scenes. Seeing Amane pretty much prostituting herself, just to please the brother of the person she really likes, was horrible to see. And Yuuji going for her at that point almost made me hate him since it was borderline abuse. Maybe if it would have been just one scene to make it clear even for the 'not so bright ones', but showing almost half a dozen H-scenes for it was pretty much presenting abuse as fan service. And that's amongst the worst kind of H-scenes there is.

While I agree that a lot of VN's show H-scenes that don't fit the situation, I don't agree that there should be only H-scenes to 'prove a point'. Like one H-scene to show that they are in love, one rape & humilation scene to show that they are not in love, one guro scene to show that he really hates her, etc.

A relationship in real life doesn't consist of doing it 'just once' either, even if the catholic church would like to make us believe that. The thing that needs to be improved is that they don't just spam out of place H-scenes and go with the flow instead, considering the situation and personaility of the involved characters.

uhm,no? 

Spoiler

it was there to show how desprate Amane was to redeem herself for Kazuki, unlike most other VNs atleast there was a purpose for these back-to-back h-scenes which was my point, not like i was a fan of said scenes its just an example i gave. 

We has differing opinions, dont care what a real relationship is like, the point i was making here was when a VN adds 3 h-scenes for no reason and it isnt fun to read either, dont know about you but i skip through like 80% of them, why the heck would i read moans and whatever cliched lines they say? and back-to-back to boot

i'm not Christian either so idk why u mentioning church and whatnot 

 

1 hour ago, ChaosRaven said:

I think by saying "I don't agree that there should be only H-scenes to 'prove a point'" I've claimed exactly the opposite. So, you're actually agreeing with me.

i never mentioned this 'prove a point' thing u brought up so dont know where u got that from, my main point in all this was too many h-scenes=bad imo, esp if it delves into weird fetishes 

[Stormwolf]

Some h-scenes do have proper dialogue though. I've skipped quite a few myself. Seriously dislike when h-scenes have the same dialogues and sex scenarios as every other heroine in the same novel. 

Spoiler

That was the major problem with Amane's route in my opinion. You don't really know what she's feeling for Yuuji. If she's throwing her life away out of guilt for Kazuki by being with Yuuji or if she truly develops genuine feelings for him. I know the latter should be evident, but the route was too rocky and either way is possible. Her ending was not a truly happy one as she was still sad. And that simple sentence by her grand daughter that made her happy and content made me wonder what on earth Yuuji and their daughter had been doing. 

Anyway, Yuuji did NOT abuse Amane by taking advantage of her. He had absolutely no knowledge about Amane and Kazuki knowing each other at that point, and he only had sex with a female who more or less throws herself at him. If someone was taking advantage of anyone in this scenario, it was Amane playing around with a guy she didn't like.