john 'mr. customer' smith Posted March 27, 2016 Posted March 27, 2016 Just now, Crayten said: Its definitely thin ice for them but on the other hand mangagamer also released several title with lolis and nothing happend. That wasn't on steam though Quote
Crayten Posted March 27, 2016 Posted March 27, 2016 4 minutes ago, john 'mr. customer' smith said: That wasn't on steam though Eden* is on Steam Quote
john 'mr. customer' smith Posted March 27, 2016 Posted March 27, 2016 1 hour ago, Crayten said: Eden* is on Steam Not quite the same, me thinks Quote
Fred the Barber Posted March 27, 2016 Posted March 27, 2016 eden* wasn't an eroge to begin wtih, and doesn't sexualize Sion at all, IMO, unless you go to MangaGamer to get the edition with a small amount (I think? I don't have it, just read descriptions) of extra ero content tacked on. I seriously doubt anybody playing the Steam version of the game, without any further context, would view it in any kind of compromising light. It's a pretty far cry from Maitetsu, which from what I'm hearing seems to have a very strong emphasis on the ero content. Quote
Chuee Posted March 27, 2016 Posted March 27, 2016 Maitetsu doesn't actually "focus" on ero-content as all the game's ero is unlocked and played through the main menu. They have a shit ton of it, but that's just Lose wanting to make a bunch of loli diddling scenes, rather than them wanting to make a game focused on sex. Also I feel like people are blowing out of proportion what impact this game being on steam will have. A good number of the casual people that stumble across it on Steam won't even know an 18+ version is out there. Also, most likely they'll just censor out every instance of loli nipples, and leave in the bath scenes, because in all honesty nobody is going to stir up major shit about them being naked. I'm willing to bet Prisma Illya has dirtier loli stuff than the story of this game. Suzu Fanatic 1 Quote
sanahtlig Posted March 27, 2016 Posted March 27, 2016 I think Littlewitch Romanesque is probably a better example than Eden. Quote
john 'mr. customer' smith Posted March 27, 2016 Posted March 27, 2016 Alright, so a casual player probably won't get suspicious or turned off, at least not more than at something like nekopara. However, i could still see some important figure in games media finding out about the kind of stuff that was originally in maitetsu and blowing the whole thing way out of proportion. That would NOT be good for the reputation of visual novels in general Quote
kingdomcome Posted March 27, 2016 Posted March 27, 2016 On 26/03/2016 at 3:57 AM, Satsuki said: To be fair, Ley-Line is also an eroge, with loli Damn it.. On 26/03/2016 at 4:46 AM, Kawasumi said: so because it has loli's it suddenly has a bad story? I must admit that I had the same view when I heard about it first, but its apparently legit good storywise, so I wouldnt be disappointed just yet. Interested in reading the all ages version if it doesnt butcher the whole VN No.. not that the story is bad. I just don't like the whole loli thing. Quote
Kawasumi Posted March 27, 2016 Posted March 27, 2016 Just now, kingdomcome said: Damn it.. No.. not that the story is bad. I just don't like the whole loli thing. are you telling me that you're playing porn games for the characters? gross Quote
sanahtlig Posted March 27, 2016 Posted March 27, 2016 After seeing some of these exchanges with Sekai Project on Twitter, here's my own bit of speculation. Sekai Project has decided to translate the 18+ content in Maitetsu or contract it out to someone that will. This will be disseminated either via an anonymous patch (like Shiny Days) or possibly via Lose's site (perhaps behind a paywall). Sekai Project is keeping quiet about it to preserve deniability and not set any expectations (the patch for Shiny Days was 3 months late and caused discontent among fans). That's my prediction. Time will tell if it's correct. Quote
VirginSmasher Posted March 27, 2016 Posted March 27, 2016 21 minutes ago, Kawasumi said: are you telling me that you're playing porn games for the characters? gross Porn games are all about the plot and the "plot." Quote
kingdomcome Posted March 27, 2016 Posted March 27, 2016 1 hour ago, Kawasumi said: are you telling me that you're playing porn games for the characters? gross Don't forget the story too. I'm definitely the minority here? Quote
Crayten Posted March 27, 2016 Posted March 27, 2016 Some interessting tweets from Dovac Oh and i hope no one does this here. Dovac is no supervillain that tries to steal our porn. Decay 1 Quote
kingdomcome Posted March 27, 2016 Posted March 27, 2016 19 minutes ago, Crayten said: Oh and i hope no one does this here. Dovac is no supervillain that tries to steal our porn. Nah, that never happens here... Poor guy. Quote
Crayten Posted March 27, 2016 Posted March 27, 2016 3 minutes ago, kingdomcome said: Nah, that never happens here... Poor guy. Critic is one thing but flameing and calling names is not okay. kingdomcome 1 Quote
Satsuki Posted March 27, 2016 Posted March 27, 2016 I will just leave this here and go get some bleach... Good job degrading the art and upgrading the "plot", Winged Cloud. Quote
Darklord Rooke Posted March 27, 2016 Posted March 27, 2016 8 minutes ago, kingdomcome said: Nah, that never happens here... Poor guy. Mostly on /jp/. I think Dovac's Steam-centric focus has been a reasonable business decision, personally. His challenge to people that want more AO stuff is also reasonable, if you want it, buy it. Just now, Satsuki said: I will just leave this here and go get some bleach... I'd rather they do this. There's less narration in manga (almost non-existent) and less dialogue overall. People pay attention to the writing less. The manga medium suits dodgy writers like them more than the VN medium. Go do manga, Winged Cloud. kingdomcome 1 Quote
VirginSmasher Posted March 27, 2016 Posted March 27, 2016 54 minutes ago, kingdomcome said: Don't forget the story too. I'm definitely the minority here? I'm more about the story in VNs as well. The hentai is an added bonus. DarkZedge 1 Quote
kingdomcome Posted March 27, 2016 Posted March 27, 2016 2 minutes ago, VirginSmasher said: The hentai is an added bonus. If I can't find a censored version here I am like : . P.E. on Steam did a wonderful job imo. Quote
solidbatman Posted March 27, 2016 Posted March 27, 2016 Steam releases make more money. Until the companies are proven otherwise buy everyone buying 18+ only, they will release all ages versions on steam. Plain and simple. I'm confident its a case of a silent majority that doesn't care about ero content being cut with the vocal minority being the ones that do. Fred the Barber 1 Quote
sanahtlig Posted March 28, 2016 Posted March 28, 2016 7 minutes ago, solidbatman said: I'm confident its a case of a silent majority that doesn't care about ero content being cut with the vocal minority being the ones that do. I think the silent majority never even realizes that content was cut in the first place. They're not given the chance to react. Raising awareness was half the reason for my project to document censored eroge. XReaper 1 Quote
Chuee Posted March 28, 2016 Posted March 28, 2016 43 minutes ago, solidbatman said: Steam releases make more money. Until the companies are proven otherwise buy everyone buying 18+ only, they will release all ages versions on steam. Plain and simple. I'm confident its a case of a silent majority that doesn't care about ero content being cut with the vocal minority being the ones that do. I'm not seeing what's your point. What's there to lose in making an 18+ version? Total sales can't possibly go anywhere but up by doing so, and the effort required is basically little to nothing if all you're doing for the steam version is taking out h-scenes of an originally 18+ game. Also, Denpasoft doesn't really have the best titles right now to judge sales. EVNs and Nekopara appeal more to casual fans, and some of them have steam fan-patches which dissuade people from buying the 18+ version. Grisaia was released months after the steam version, and also existed as a fan-translation for about 2 years. Once they release they release more long Japanese titles on there, you'll probably get more conclusive results provided outside factors don't come up, like steam patches. Quote
sanahtlig Posted March 28, 2016 Posted March 28, 2016 32 minutes ago, Chuee said: I'm not seeing what's your point. What's there to lose in making an 18+ version? Total sales can't possibly go anywhere but up by doing so, and the effort required is basically little to nothing if all you're doing for the steam version is taking out h-scenes of an originally 18+ game. According to Debonosu, translating the H-scenes for Kagura Douchuuki would've significantly increased localization costs. Quote
Maxel Posted March 28, 2016 Posted March 28, 2016 42 minutes ago, Chuee said: I'm not seeing what's your point. What's there to lose in making an 18+ version? Total sales can't possibly go anywhere but up by doing so, and the effort required is basically little to nothing if all you're doing for the steam version is taking out h-scenes of an originally 18+ game. Also, Denpasoft doesn't really have the best titles right now to judge sales. EVNs and Nekopara appeal more to casual fans, and some of them have steam fan-patches which dissuade people from buying the 18+ version. Grisaia was released months after the steam version, and also existed as a fan-translation for about 2 years. Once they release they release more long Japanese titles on there, you'll probably get more conclusive results provided outside factors don't come up, like steam patches. Say that to dovac. Quote
DarkZedge Posted March 28, 2016 Posted March 28, 2016 3 hours ago, VirginSmasher said: I'm more about the story in VNs as well. The hentai is an added bonus. Same here master, good and rich stories are so good VirginSmasher 1 Quote
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