Another Sekai Project Discussion

[MaggieROBOT]

1 minute ago, phantomJS said:

Well, compared to other similar companies, I believe their work can be considered pretty good overall.

So who do u consider for the TL if not SP?

If we could choose any company (ignoring all localisation deals and such, just wishful thinking), I think Mangagamer is way better. JAST have good translations and provides 18+ versions, the problem is their slower release schedule.

[VirginSmasher]

4 hours ago, MaggieROBOT said:

If we could choose any company (ignoring all localisation deals and such, just wishful thinking), I think Mangagamer is way better. JAST have good translations and provides 18+ versions, the problem is their slower release schedule.

>Slower release schedule

That's an understatement.

[Being]

Sekai Project are incredibly slow too, I would be amazed if some of their unreleased stuff won't take 5+ years to come out (from announcment). Just look at how huge their list of TBA's is and how infrequently they release anything that people actually care about.

 

 

[bakauchuujin]

Well at least Jast USA have physicals, the only way to get physical editions from SP is through their kickstarters, which isn't really an option.

[VirginSmasher]

23 minutes ago, Being said:

Sekai Project are incredibly slow too, I would be amazed if some of their unreleased stuff won't take 5+ years to come out (from announcment). Just look at how huge their list of TBA's is and how infrequently they release anything that people actually care about.

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They're incredibly slow because of the way they run their company. They license way too many things, don't have project management so everything takes especially long, and they usually end up releasing maybe 2 or 3 important VNs a year as a result. I like Mangagamer because they always have 1 or 2 VNs coming out every month, which no other company is doing or has done yet. SP takes the JAST approach of releasing things on an incredibly inconsistent basis, which is definitely annoying when you want to see certain VNs released and you have no clue when they'll be out.

[1P1A]

58 minutes ago, Zenophilious said:

bad PR (hi, dovac)

I loved Dovac's earlier transparency. You rarely get a CEO who will tell the community how little fucks he gives. It's a shame they deleted his twitter since the place was a goldmine

[bakauchuujin]

11 minutes ago, 1P1A said:

I loved Dovac's earlier transparency. You rarely get a CEO who will tell the community how little fucks he gives. It's a shame they deleted his twitter since the place was a goldmine

Well at least some response is better than nothing, which seems to be how they currently handle things

Edited April 16, 2018 by bakauchuujin

[1P1A]

21 minutes ago, bakauchuujin said:

Well at least some response is better than nothing, which seems to be how they currently handle things

They are just a bunch of kids playing business. There's casual, and then there's this:

(from their AMA)

[bakauchuujin]

Just now, 1P1A said:

They are just a bunch of kids playing business. There's casual, and then there's this:

(from their AMA)

Yes and that is better than no response because it makes it easier to see how incompetent they are so less people back their kickstarters. I meant better for us who just want them gone and replaced by a better company not better for them

[Yuuko]

1 hour ago, VirginSmasher said:

They're incredibly slow because of the way they run their company. They license way too many things, don't have project management so everything takes especially long, and they usually end up releasing maybe 2 or 3 important VNs a year as a result. I like Mangagamer because they always have 1 or 2 VNs coming out every month, which no other company is doing or has done yet. SP takes the JAST approach of releasing things on an incredibly inconsistent basis, which is definitely annoying when you want to see certain VNs released and you have no clue when they'll be out.

1. SP and MG both have around same size titles in TBA (assuming you don't count EVNs that SP doesn't have too much to do it other than just publishing)
2. SP is the one that has monthly releases not MG

lol

[PiggiesGoMoo]

24 minutes ago, 1P1A said:

They are just a bunch of kids playing business. There's casual, and then there's this:

(from their AMA)

It's bad, even for reddit humor 

[bakauchuujin]

Titles released by MG so far in 2018

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Sorcery Jokers score 7.96 length 30-50 hours: Developer 3rdEye

Kyonyuu Fantasy Gaiden score 7.68 length 10-30 hours: Developer Waffle

A Kiss for the Petals Maidens of Michael score 7.63 length 10-30 hours: Developer Yurin Yurin

Supipara part 2 score 7.22 length 10-30 hours: Developer minori 

The Spirit Master of Retarnia score 5.57 length 10-30 hours: Developer Luna Soft

His Chuunibyou Can't Be Cured! score 7.70 (only 4 votes) length 10-30 hours: Developer Tamaya Kagiya

Titles released by SP so far in 2018

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Re;Lord 1 The witch of Hertfort and stuffed animals score 7.12 length 2-10 hours: Developer Escu:de

Tropical Liquor score 4.89 length 2-10 hours: Developer Tentacle Games

Fatal Twelve score 8.04 length 10-30 hours: Developer aiueo Kompany

Mhakna Gramura and Fairy Bell score 8.00 length < 2 hours: Developer Alice in Dissonance

Will: A Wonderful World score 7.87 length unknown: Developer 4D Door Games

Girls in Glasses score 6.40 (only 5 votes) length unknown: Developer nostalgia

The Bell Chimes For Gold score 6.10 (only 4 votes) length unknown: Developer Otusun Club

Creature Romances score 4.00 length < 2 hours: Developer nostalgia

Titles released by MG in 2017

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Umineko When They Cry Answer Arcs score 8.74 length 50+ hours: Developer 07th Expansion

Da Capo 3 R score 7.69 length 50+ hours: Developer Circus

Princess Evangile W Happiness score 7.42 length 10-30 hours: Developer Moonstone

Dal Segno score 7.19 length 30-50 hours: Developer Circus

Imouto Paradise 2 score 7.09 length 10-30 hours: Developer Moonstone/Moonstone Cherry 

The Shadows of Pygmalion score 7.45 length 10-30 hours: Developer Propeller 

Fashioning Little Miss Lonesome score 6.89 length 10-30 hours: Developer Kalmia8 

Marina's Cuckolding Report score 6.76 length 2-10 hours: Developer Atelier Sakura 

Sweet Young Bride score 5.57 length 2-10 hours: Developer Ammolite 

Space Live score 5.39 length unknown: Developer Circus

Titles released by SP in 2017

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Hoshizora no Memoria Wish upon a Shooting Star score 7.89 length 30-50 hours: Developer Favorite

The Labyrinth of Grisaia 18+ edition score 8.08 length 10-30 hours: Developer Front Wing

The Eden of Grisaia score 8.17 length 10-30 hours: Developer Front Wing

Wagamama High Spec score 7.50 length 30-50 hours: Developer Madosoft

Saku Saku: Love Blooms with the Cherry Blossoms score 7.49 length 30-50 hours: Developer Palette

Chrono Clock score 7.44 length 10-30 hours: Developer Purple Software

Neko Para Vol.3 score 7.35 length 2-10 hours: Developer NEKO WORKs

A Clockwork Ley-Line: The Borderline of Dusk score 7.31 length 10-30 hours: Developer Unison Shift/Unison Shift: Blossom

Neko-nin exHeart score 6.29 length 2-10 hours: Developer Whirlpool

Blackberry Honey score 7.20 length 2-10 hours: Developer Ebi-hime

Ne no Kami part 2 score 7.12 length 2-10 hours: Developer Kuro Irodoru Yomiji

Sweetest Monster score 7.07 length 2-10 hours: Developer Ebi-hime

Karakara 2 score 6.73 length 2-10 hours: Developer calme

Neko-nin exHeart +Plus Nachi score 6.56 length < 2 hours: Developer Whirlpool 

Neko-nin exHeart +Plus Saiha score 6.48 length < 2 hours: Developer Whirlpool

Narcissu Sumire score 7.56 length unknown: Developer Stage-nana

2236 A.D. score 7.55 length 10-30 hours: Developer Chloro

The Falconers: Moonlight score 6.80 length unknown: Developer Bionic Penguin Studios

Void score 6.68 length 2-10 hours: Developer Vifth Floor

Six Days of Snow score 6.61 length 2-10 hours: Developer Ebi-hime

Walkerman act 1 score 6.50 (only 4 votes) length 10-30 hours: Developer ScalemaiL

A Butterfly in the District of Dreams score 6.33 length 10-30 hours: Developer Life a Little 

Companion score 6.11 length 2-10 hours: Developer Narrator

Eternal Hour score 6.03 length 2-10 hours: Developer Seventh Heart Studios

Order of Ataxia score 5.33 (only 3 votes) length 2-10 hours: Developer IDHAS Studios

Selenon Rising score 3.90 (only 5 votes) length unknown: Developer Fastermind Games

I would say MG has had better releases so far this year, but in 2017 SP did release a lot of major titles.

 

Edited April 16, 2018 by bakauchuujin

[VirginSmasher]

43 minutes ago, 1P1A said:

They are just a bunch of kids playing business. There's casual, and then there's this:

(from their AMA)

They can get away with that sort of thing because some people on r/vns are giant SP apologists and will forgive them for every little thing they do wrong. It's pretty bewildering.

[Yuuko]

1 minute ago, VirginSmasher said:

They can get away with that sort of thing because some people on r/vns are giant SP apologists and will forgive them for every little thing they do wrong. It's pretty bewildering.

If people find something wrong in that screenshot then they should kys

[VirginSmasher]

Just now, Kiriririri said:

If people find something wrong in that screenshot then they should kys

I meant the incompetence aspect. I don't really care what they do in that aspect on r/vns, but when they do that more than fixing their PR, it really doesn't add to their rep.

[Dreamysyu]

3 hours ago, Zenophilious said:

At the very least, don't back any Kickstarters that have Sekai's name on them,

Yeah, I'm definitely not backing any of their Kickstarters again. And I wouldn't recommend to unless you are really into lotteries or something.

15 hours ago, VirginSmasher said:

There is still a lot of criticism on the quality of their releases as well. Chrono Clock, HoshiMemo, Leyline, etc.

Isn't this still a relatively small portion of their releases? I mean, it's definitely an extremely bad sign that these low quality releases exist at all, but it's definitely better than with some other companies in the market.

[VirginSmasher]

16 minutes ago, Dreamysyu said:

Isn't this still a relatively small portion of their releases? I mean, it's definitely an extremely bad sign that these low quality releases exist at all, but it's definitely better than with some other companies in the market.

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Those are the ones that came to mind in terms of TL and editing quality. There are quite a few others that I didn't name that had other problems with them.

[phantomJS]

15 minutes ago, Dreamysyu said:

Isn't this still a relatively small portion of their releases? I mean, it's definitely an extremely bad sign that these low quality releases exist at all, but it's definitely better than with some other companies in the market.

It is. I could hardly googled anything criticism on their actual work the entire yesterday's afternoon.

Instead, again, what you will find are tons of articles on their KS project department.

[sanahtlig]

4 hours ago, Zenophilious said:

At the very least, don't back any Kickstarters that have Sekai's name on them

Committing money to an unreleased product is always a gamble--except unlike gambling, any surprises will generally be unpleasant.  The entire premise of crowdfunding is to push the risk of creative development from developers onto end-users.  If risk avoidance is your main priority, then any first-time publisher will be a greater risk than Sekai Project--and really, you shouldn't be in the crowdfunding business at all.  Take that money and invest it--where you'll be compensated for taking risks, rather than penalized.

[Trickay]

11 hours ago, littleshogun said:

In case Pulltop really did that, then it won't be matter much because NarKarma itself was all age VN in the first place, and Pulltop blunder was they did cut the H scenes for overseas release.

MoeNovel were too busy catering for all the 12 year old French girls were they not? 

 

Ahem. Thanks for sharing V, it was an interesting read.

I like many others, I have been stung by a SP KS campaign or two, the most horrid of which was for WAS ~Lepidoptera no Sunadokei~ campaign for which they ultimately just gave up with in the end.

I just cannot be bothered to go near anything they're involved with anymore, they're a bunch of cowboys and see you next Tuesdays!

Edited April 17, 2018 by Trickay
Typos

[jikorde]

5 hours ago, Kiriririri said:

1. SP and MG both have around same size titles in TBA (assuming you don't count EVNs that SP doesn't have too much to do it other than just publishing)
2. SP is the one that has monthly releases not MG

lol

What? MG has released a title on the last Friday or Thursday of every month for almost 5 years straight. I think they've missed like four.

 

[VirginSmasher]

2 minutes ago, jikorde said:

What? MG has released a title on the last Friday or Thursday of every month for almost 5 years straight. I think they've missed like four.

 

Don't get too riled up. He was trying to get a reaction out of me personally by saying wrong information. 

[solidbatman]

1 hour ago, Trickay said:

MoeNovel were too busy catering for all the 12 year old French girls were they not? 

 

Ahem. Thanks for sharing V, it was an interesting read.

I like many others, I have been stung by a SP KS campaign or two, the most horrid of which was for WAS ~Lepidoptera no Sunadokei~ campaign for which they ultimately just gave up with in the end.

I just cannot be bothered to go near anything they're involved with anymore, they're a bunch of cowboys and see you next Tuesdays!

7in the case of WAS, the developer apparently shafted SP pretty bad on a bunch of stuff. SP should have done more vetting, but at the same time, I can't really blame em for that project specifically. 

 

[Nandemonai]

9 hours ago, VirginSmasher said:

I like Mangagamer because they always have 1 or 2 VNs coming out every month, which no other company is doing or has done yet.

G-Collections was doing it 15 years ago. They started with Private Nurse in November 2002 and ended with Figures of Happiness, when their parent company imploded in March 2005.  Everything afterward was released by Jast (hence the 2 year gap and then only 2 games per year).  Granted they didn't hit every month the way MangaGamer has (I can't remember the last time MangaGamer missed a month) but they did it.

The difference is that G-C was around 15 years ago.  The market was a lot smaller back then.  And they had to print and ship actual CDs.  They couldn't survive their parent company imploding.  Whereas MangaGamer said a few years ago that their back catalog was big enough that they could fund operations off of it. I doubt G-C could have done that.

3 hours ago, Trickay said:

I like many others, I have been stung by a SP KS campaign or two, the most horrid of which was for WAS ~Lepidoptera no Sunadokei~ campaign for which they ultimately just gave up with in the end.

It's not like they had much choice.  Sekai said they caught the developer astroturfing the Steam reviews.  Now outright lying would be a really dumb thing for them to do, and this isn't like that case where they blindly parroted what someone else told them without checking - they said they caught them.

So assuming this in fact really happened, that doesn't leave Sekai Project much of a choice.  If Valve catches the dev doing this,  they could easily ban not just the developer but also the publisher.  Sekai cannot risk their whole library being cut off from Steam (their whole business, basically) so their hand is forced.  They have to kill it with fire, which they did.  It's a shame because the game sounded interesting, but if you can't trust someone not to burn your house down, then you can't work with them.

Edited April 17, 2018 by Nandemonai
no double posting

[VirginSmasher]

1 hour ago, Nandemonai said:

G-Collections was doing it 15 years ago. They started with Private Nurse in November 2002 and ended with Figures of Happiness, when their parent company imploded in March 2005.  Everything afterward was released by Jast (hence the 2 year gap and then only 2 games per year).  Granted they didn't hit every month the way MangaGamer has (I can't remember the last time MangaGamer missed a month) but they did it.

The difference is that G-C was around 15 years ago.  The market was a lot smaller back then.  And they had to print and ship actual CDs.  They couldn't survive their parent company imploding.  Whereas MangaGamer said a few years ago that their back catalog was big enough that they could fund operations off of it. I doubt G-C could have done that.

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Oh yeah. I completely forgot about G-Collections. Didn't they form into JAST or something? Either way, I can't imagine their quality of releases was pretty good like how MG's releases are nowadays.