Unlimited Chat Works - Random Talk

[FinalChaos]

Heroic Spirits don't get summoned twice, as they are just copies of the real people. Once a Servant dies, it is consumed by the Grail.

If the same Servant is summoned later, it's a different copy of the original, as the Servant from the previous war was consumed by the Grail.

I don't really see how your comment serves as a counter to what I said.

Archer lost his memory for a day or so because of Rin's summoning.

However, he had it back by the time Shirou fought Kuzuki, so his knowledge of how Kuzuki fights was back, thus enabling Shirou's projection of his weapons to fight back against Kuzuki.

Archer is from a different route where some of the things happened differently. For example, he never found out that Caster summoned Assassin. He

did, however, fight Kuzuki or study his fighting method.

And besides, Avalon would have kept him alive through most of what Kuzuki could do to him.

What I referred to was the fact that in general Heroic spirits are said to know things about the world due to previous summonings and at the same time they technically should not be able to remember anything from summonings as they are just copies like you said.

 

You do realize that you are making a lot of assumptions for your argument to be true, thats why I said it might be possible but it isn't necessarily correct.

[Ouraibaa Hjyuraa]

What I referred to was the fact that in general Heroic spirits are said to know things about the world due to previous summonings and at the same time they technically should not be able to remember anything from summonings as they are just copies like you said.

 

You do realize that you are making a lot of assumptions for your argument to be true, thats why I said it might be possible but it isn't necessarily correct.

It's the only logical assumption.

 

Shirou's projection gives him the experience of the original owner.

Kuzuki's techniques are deadly the first fight, while much less effective the second time.

The experience is the only reason he didn't get rekt'd.

The original owner is Archer.

If Archer had never fought Kuzuki before, or had observed his techniques long enough for them to no longer be effective, then the weapons Shirou projected would not have saved him.

However, Archer also didn't know that Caster summoned Assassin.

Conclusion: Archer fought or observed Kuzuki in his original War, but never learned that Caster was the Master of Assassin.

[Kosakyun]

 

Also, in the bad end, his fists goes through her chest, not face.

 

Oh but his fist blew her head off, as far as I'm concerned.

Since Shirou literally sees Rin without a head.

 

 

 

---Time stops.

Tohsaka's astonished, but she instantly points her hand at Kuzuki.

 

But the right hand that almost pierced Saber's neck...

...is thrust at her chest.

 

"Ah----------guh...!"

 

Tohsaka's breath is stopped at the impact.

Then...

 

A hammer-like fist strikes her head mercilessly.

 

"Toh----saka."

...I take in my fate seeing her miserable figure.

...Tohsaka's head isn't there.

Anything above her neck doesn't exist anymore.

 

Unless Kuzuki pierces Rin's chest in another bad ending, which I do not remember.

I don't really recall any other bad end regarding Rin being killed by Kuzuki.

Or to be specific, any bad end which details the death of Rin by Kuzuki's hands.

Ooor it was removed in Realta Nua and I just don't remember.

[Ouraibaa Hjyuraa]

Ooooor I just read it in the other thread and didn't bother to check if it was true.

[Kosakyun]

We can have that as well.

 

well I only asked because I got the best story. This one time i was on the bus and some guys from our "rival" high school were being loud and annoying. Then they started saying this girl was stupid and then she was like I'm not stupid. They then said well if you're not stupid what's pi. Then she said I don't know and in unison they said it, but they said it wrong so I got to correct the idiots and it was great.

[Ouraibaa Hjyuraa]

It's like something out of a cartoon show.

[TexasDice]

well I only asked because I got the best story. This one time i was on the bus and some guys from our "rival" high school were being loud and annoying. Then they started saying this girl was stupid and then she was like I'm not stupid. They then said well if you're not stupid what's pi. Then she said I don't know and in unison they said it, but they said it wrong so I got to correct the idiots and it was great.

[Kosakyun]

Anyway, what do you think of the concept of Rule Breaker, Ourai?

 

Can it still force a Servant into a contract with Caster if the Master of that Servant has died already?

[Ouraibaa Hjyuraa]

Anyway, what do you think of the concept of Rule Breaker, Ourai?

 

Can it still force a Servant into a contract with Caster if the Master of that Servant has died already?

[Kosakyun]

I would assume so.

It has 2 functions:

1. Breaks the Servant's contract with its Master

2. Forces the Servant to enter a contract with Caster

 

Just because the first function doesn't do anything, it doesn't mean that the second won't work.

[FinalChaos]

It's the only logical assumption.

 

Shirou's projection gives him the experience of the original owner.

Kuzuki's techniques are deadly the first fight, while much less effective the second time.

The experience is the only reason he didn't get rekt'd.

The original owner is Archer.

If Archer had never fought Kuzuki before, or had observed his techniques long enough for them to no longer be effective, then the weapons Shirou projected would not have saved him.

However, Archer also didn't know that Caster summoned Assassin.

Conclusion: Archer fought or observed Kuzuki in his original War, but never learned that Caster was the Master of Assassin.

[Kosakyun]

It should be able to ......

 

Huh. I guess it doesn't need rules.

[Ouraibaa Hjyuraa]

Actually, thinking about it, does Rule Breaker force the other Servant into the contract? If so, did Caster torture Saber simply because she wanted to? Because in a Bad End, Saber gets stabbed by Rule Breaker and kills Shirou.

[colekitt]

Probably because it isn't true.

[crunchytaco]

Ooooor I just read it in the other thread and didn't bother to check if it was true.

Teaches you to trust other threads instead of me.

[Kosakyun]

Actually, thinking about it, does Rule Breaker force the other Servant into the contract? If so, did Caster torture Saber simply because she wanted to? Because in a Bad End, Saber gets stabbed by Rule Breaker and kills Shirou.

[Ouraibaa Hjyuraa]

That's the thing about Rule Breaker that I'm thinking about.

It does indeed sever the contract between Master and Servant, but does it initiate another contract as well?

I was thinking that Rule Breaker distorts the laws of the Command Spells when it is stabbed unto a Servant, severing the contract present between Master and Servant, and allowing Caster to steal whatever was severed. Something like if I were holding a rope and I let go of it, someone else can grab it.

And for all I know, Saber stabs Shirou in that bad end since Caster used a Command Spell to order her to do it. I'm not sure though. I might as well look at it again.

I'm confused as to why it only works when it stabs a Servant though.

[Kosakyun]

According to the wiki, it destroys the Master-Servant contract, after which Caster steals the Command Seals and uses them to control the Servant.

[Ouraibaa Hjyuraa]

[TexasDice]

If I were in charge of a VN, I'd make it so, that skipping the end credits would also skip the epilogue.

 

I'm so evil.

[Kurisu-Chan]

If I were in charge of a VN, I'd make it so, that skipping the end credits would also skip the epilogue.

 

I'm so evil.

[TexasDice]

I actually haven't played that yet. Is it any good?

[Carronade]

Don't forget to get the special attack augmentation, even if you're going all stealth. Makes those terrible, terrible boss battles easy.

[Kurisu-Chan]

That it is.  It's pretty punishing if you try a stealth playthrough, and doubly so if you try to do a non-lethal takedown stealth playthrough, but the augmentations you can get making playing the game just so much fun.

[Nixzilla]

So anyone else do a 100% completion of DA:I ? Took me 64 hours XD