Unlimited Chat Works - Random Talk

[havoc]

I felt that Yuuji was going to have, as you say, brain failure for that route, since most people would identify that as either multiple personality disorder or whatever the case may be pretty much from the first interaction between them. But if Yuuji did, that route would be pretty short.

 

And if there's one thing I have to say can drag a bit in Grisaia is the explanation for each heroine's deep-rooted issues. They're always great, but they're sometimes so long and extensive that I lose a bit of interest near the end, and then they rein me back in when something profound happens. And they seem to follow a similar path in story too.

 

The Situation They're Going Through is Not Too Bad At First  - Something Went Wrong - Something Went Really Wrong - Something Good Happened - - Things Are Looking Up - Something Bad Happens - Dragging a Bit - 'Stinger' Moment 

 

Examples for Stinger Moment: Yumiko stabbing her classmate and the school being made for her, Amane finding out that Mr. Ochi and her captain were not only fucking but killing people and cutting up their bodies for food and had basically brainwashed the rest of the students

 

...Fuck me, man. Staying away from that route, then.

 

Does anyone who's read Grisaia feel that Miyako's route is going to turn out similar to Amane's? Happy and then bittersweet? It seems that the 'Girl Who Is Crushing On You' route turns out that way often times.

 

EDIT: Yumiko's route was actually surprisingly similar to Chris's when I think about it. They both run away from their Dad with the protagonist and they're both tsunderes that can't stand the protag at first and then fall in love with him due to prolonged exposure.

 

Play makina's route it is worth the inapropiate H-scenes, just stay as far away from the bad ending as possible.

 

As for yuij brain failure, it is more his social skills failing miserably.

well it is to be expexted they where never good and he needs good social skills for both Miciruciru and sachi's routes and in both routes that is where he failes.

But his failure is understandable if you take his past into account.

 

Ow and for the long bits about thier failure you will be suprized about how short that part is for miciruciru.

 

As for Maijkoi, her route is not bittersweet i believe but i can't say for shure as it is not translated.

She just want's your genes and give herself to you.

[Sammeh]

Play makina's route it is worth the inapropiate H-scenes, just stay as far away from the bad ending as possible.

 

As for yuij brain failure, it is more his social skills failing miserably.

well it is to be expexted they where never good and he needs good social skills for both Miciruciru and sachi's routes and in both routes that is where he failes.

But his failure is understandable if you take his past into account.

 

Ow and for the long bits about thier failure you will be suprized about how short that part is for miciruciru.

 

As for Maijkoi, her route is not bittersweet i believe but i can't say for shure as it is not translated.

She just want's your genes and give herself to you.

 

Sorry, that's what I meant. Brain failure seems to happening to me now, as it is 4:20 AM and I seem to have not slept in nearly forty eight hours.

 

Oh well then that's not too bad.

 

Oooo. I'm excited for that route, then. Because Amane's was particularly long, probably took up about half of her route if I'm not mistaken.

 

Well, I'm hoping not. Hope it's all rainbows and sunshine. And Majikoi typically is more lighthearted than Grisaia, typically, so I don't think we'll get Amane's ending for Miyako, hopefully it won't have its sad content.

 

And do any of you ever have that thought for a split second of 'Hrm. Maybe I can write a VN' and then squash that thought like you're Master Hand in Super Smash Bros. ?

[havoc]

Sorry, that's what I meant. Brain failure seems to happening to me now, as it is 4:20 AM and I seem to have not slept in nearly forty eight hours.

 

Oh well then that's not too bad.

 

Oooo. I'm excited for that route, then. Because Amane's was particularly long, probably took up about half of her route if I'm not mistaken.

 

Well, I'm hoping not. Hope it's all rainbows and sunshine. And Majikoi typically is more lighthearted than Grisaia, typically, so I don't think we'll get Amane's ending for Miyako, hopefully it won't have its sad content.

 

And do any of you ever have that thought for a split second of 'Hrm. Maybe I can write a VN' and then squash that thought like you're Master Hand in Super Smash Bros. ?

never really thought that.

I have sometimes harboared murderous feelings towards the writers for ending something halfassed.

 

And why in gods name would you not sleep in 48 hours?

[Sammeh]

never really thought that.

I have sometimes harboared murderous feelings towards the writers for ending something halfassed.

 

And why in gods name would you not sleep in 48 hours?

 

Hm. Seems that is not nearly as common as I thought.

 

As a professional writer, I wish someone would harbor murderous feelings for me one day for my shortcomings. That's when you know you've made it big.

 

Eh, insomniac, work, vidya games, and Amane. All four seemed to have occupied my forty eight hours of non-sleep. And I don't foresee sleep until tonight, since I actually have a lot of work to do today. But eh. It's fine.

[havoc]

Hm. Seems that is not nearly as common as I thought.

 

As a professional writer, I wish someone would harbor murderous feelings for me one day for my shortcomings. That's when you know you've made it big.

 

Eh, insomniac, work, vidya games, and Amane. All four seemed to have occupied my forty eight hours of non-sleep. And I don't foresee sleep until tonight, since I actually have a lot of work to do today. But eh. It's fine.

Wait...... you are a professional writer....???

Well that is interesting.

 

And don't worry murdering someone is not worth my time.

I study chemistry tough so I will admit to suffering a little from the mad professor syndrome.

[Sammeh]

Wait...... you are a professional writer....???

Well that is interesting.

 

And don't worry murdering someone is not worth my time.

I study chemistry tough so I will admit to suffering a little from the mad professor syndrome.

 

Sometimes. I do love my work, but I don't get to fight ninjas and/or be the hero of my own story as often as I'd like to.

 

Oooh. Mad Professor Havoc has a ring to it. I could easily picture you being the protagonist from Steins;Gate. Sounds fun at any rate.

[havoc]

Sometimes. I do love my work, but I don't get to fight ninjas and/or be the hero of my own story as often as I'd like to.

 

Oooh. Mad Professor Havoc has a ring to it. I could easily picture you being the protagonist from Steins;Gate. Sounds fun at any rate.

it is, and while the study is anything but easy it is a lot of fun for the most part.

It also has got a lot of vatiety wich keeps it interesting.

Altough there is the occasional subject that is just one boring part after another.

 

But most of us who still study it are slightly mad and scatterbrained.

And strangly enough most of us know what the other needs even when all that is said can you get me that what we need for....

Wierd how that goes sometimes

 

Prime example of me being scatterbrained:

I actually managed to forget what a fork was called for nearly a week. Felt pretty stupid afterwards

 

And is loving your work not one of the best things to be able to do.

Once work becomes a chore there is not much fun left after all.

 

Edit: just noticed i posted the 1200 comment

[Ouraibaa Hjyuraa]

Sometimes. I do love my work, but I don't get to fight ninjas and/or be the hero of my own story as often as I'd like to.

Who's your favourite active writer? Mine would be Brandon Sanderson. The Stormlight Archive is really good so far (Just started the second book).

[Ouraibaa Hjyuraa]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMIAp9Q0xfk

A true classic.

[havoc]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMIAp9Q0xfk

A true classic.

lol got that one in my favorites list.

 

It is rare for an amv to survive that long on youtube

[Sammeh]

it is, and while the study is anything but easy it is a lot of fun for the most part.

It also has got a lot of vatiety wich keeps it interesting.

Altough there is the occasional subject that is just one boring part after another.

 

But most of us who still study it are slightly mad and scatterbrained.

And strangly enough most of us know what the other needs even when all that is said can you get me that what we need for....

Wierd how that goes sometimes

 

Prime example of me being scatterbrained:

I actually managed to forget what a fork was called for nearly a week. Felt pretty stupid afterwards

 

And is loving your work not one of the best things to be able to do.

Once work becomes a chore there is not much fun left after all.

 

Edit: just noticed i posted the 1200 comment

 

Can't say I've forgotten what a fork was called, but I understand being a scatterbrain. I am one to a lesser extent than that, always used to get into trouble for forgetting things everywhere. It's not a great thing to have when you often times have meetings or need to travel all the time, but since I mainly work from home and I do most of my business dealings through phone, it seems I've picked the right vocation for myself.

 

I'd have to imagine there are some boring parts to chemistry, that's probably what kept me from pursuing a career in a field of science, while I've always been fascinated by science and interested by things like math, my brain isn't made for that kind of thing. I've always had more luck in history, english, etc.

 

 

Who's your favourite active writer? Mine would be Brandon Sanderson. The Stormlight Archive is really good so far (Just started the second book).

 

I actually haven't read The Way of Kings yet, but I do own it. It's sitting on my shelf in my office along with a bunch of other books I've wanted to get to but haven't had the time. Or... well, rather than not have the time, I keep preoccupying myself with other things.

 

I'd probably say... hm... I'd say Sam Sykes is pretty damn good. He's a pretty young author, wrote The Aeon's Gate trilogy. Really enjoyed that series, a great read for fantasy lovers.

 

And, while I know he's everyone's favorite modern author, I do love my George R.R. Martin. Dark fantasy and science fiction are my favorite genres, pretty much the only things I've written, and Game of Thrones is dark fantasy to a fine point.

[Ouraibaa Hjyuraa]

I actually haven't read The Way of Kings yet, but I do own it. It's sitting on my shelf in my office along with a bunch of other books I've wanted to get to but haven't had the time. Or... well, rather than not have the time, I keep preoccupying myself with other things.

 

I'd probably say... hm... I'd say Sam Sykes is pretty damn good. He's a pretty young author, wrote The Aeon's Gate trilogy. Really enjoyed that series, a great read for fantasy lovers.

 

And, while I know he's everyone's favorite modern author, I do love my George R.R. Martin. Dark fantasy and science fiction are my favorite genres, pretty much the only things I've written, and Game of Thrones is dark fantasy to a fine point.

You really should read The Way of Kings. I've read all of Sanderson's other works, and it's the one I enjoyed the most. (Although Warbreaker is also pretty damn good, even if it's just 1 book.)

It presents some interesting new World ideas, and some of the characters are very, very enjoyable. Kaladin (And, by extension, Syl) and Galinar in particular. Not to mention there are the Sanderson-typical character twists, which I really enjoy.

 

I'll have to check up on Sam Sykes. I don't like to read mainstream books, so it's not that easy for me to find new authors. It's also the reason I won't read GoT.

[Sammeh]

You really should read The Way of Kings. I've read all of Sanderson's other works, and it's the one I enjoyed the most. (Although Warbreaker is also pretty damn good, even if it's just 1 book.)

It presents some interesting new World ideas, and some of the characters are very, very enjoyable. Kaladin (And, by extension, Syl), and Galinar in particular. Not to mention there are the Sanderson-typical character twists.

 

I'll have to check up on Sam Sykes. I don't like to read mainstream books, so it's not that easy for me to find new authors. It's also the reason I won't read GoT.

 

Hm. I've been waiting for an excuse to read it and I never really knew anyone who had even heard of Sanderson before. I might try and start it tomorrow if I get done with work early.

 

If I have any advice before you read his first book, since he's only written the trilogy so far, give him a bit of time to get used to it. He's only written poetry before, that becomes apparent with the first few chapters. He gets much more comfortable writing long prose as he gets further into the story. I think that's the reason why he doesn't have as much attention brought to his writing. 

 

I can understand not wanting to read mainstream books. I held off on reading Harry Potter for years because I thought it was overrated, then got pressured into it by an ex and hated every second of it (Sorry if there are Harry Potter fans out there who get offended by that. Not my cup of tea.) 

 

And James Enge is pretty decent too if you'd like another suggestion. Wrote The Wolf Age and that's one of my favorite books.

[havoc]

Hm. I've been waiting for an excuse to read it and I never really knew anyone who had even heard of Sanderson before. I might try and start it tomorrow if I get done with work early.

 

If I have any advice before you read his first book, since he's only written the trilogy so far, give him a bit of time to get used to it. He's only written poetry before, that becomes apparent with the first few chapters. He gets much more comfortable writing long prose as he gets further into the story. I think that's the reason why he doesn't have as much attention brought to his writing. 

 

I can understand not wanting to read mainstream books. I held off on reading Harry Potter for years because I thought it was overrated, then got pressured into it by an ex and hated every second of it (Sorry if there are Harry Potter fans out there who get offended by that. Not my cup of tea.) 

 

And James Enge is pretty decent too if you'd like another suggestion. Wrote The Wolf Age and that's one of my favorite books.

I quite liked harry potter, but i can also see why people dislike it. And while i do still like it i must say there are way better fantasy story's out there.

 

Just today i finally got around to watching castle in the sky. Great movie.... well it is Ghibli so ..... kind of expected that

[Ouraibaa Hjyuraa]

Hm. I've been waiting for an excuse to read it and I never really knew anyone who had even heard of Sanderson before. I might try and start it tomorrow if I get done with work early.

Sounds great. You could also give Warbreaker a go if you like clever characters, as one of the main characters, Lightsong, is very, very clever. His conversations with Blushweaver are quite entertaining.

 

 

If I have any advice before you read his first book, since he's only written the trilogy so far, give him a bit of time to get used to it. He's only written poetry before, that becomes apparent with the first few chapters. He gets much more comfortable writing long prose as he gets further into the story. I think that's the reason why he doesn't have as much attention brought to his writing. 

I'll try that when I finish with Words of Radiance. And more a poetic writing structure may turn out to be quite refreshing.

 

 

And James Enge is pretty decent too if you'd like another suggestion. Wrote The Wolf Age and that's one of my favorite books.

Does The Wolf Age involve a guy who is becoming a wolf or something along those lines? Because after The Wheel of Time (And some other book I don't remember the title of), I'm quite bored of that particular plot line.

[FinalChaos]

I just finished Little Busters.

 

In the epilouge, Riki and Rin escape from the bus and end up in the hospital. After that they both get over their traumas and go back to the accident and rescue everyone. How can they go back in time to the accident which they had already gone through in the real world ? I understand that they had created a world to overcome thier problems (Riki's narcolepsy and Rin's fear of 'scary things in the world'), but I dont think that they had the power to go to the past, if so then what actually happened ?

 

Another thing is that the fake world was created by only masato, kengo and kyosike or were the all the girls involved too ? If the girls were involved then how didn't they know about 'the secret of the world' during their respective routes ?

 

Well Little busters was very good. Being my first Key vn, I know understand why people like Key so much.

[Sammeh]

I quite liked harry potter, but i can also see why people dislike it. And while i do still like it i must say there are way better fantasy story's out there.

 

Just today i finally got around to watching castle in the sky. Great movie.... well it is Ghibli so ..... kind of expected that

 

I don't like it so much because it's a bad story, it's that I really don't find J.K. Rowling's writing to be that good. But, that's just my opinion, I know plenty of people, more than plenty, most people who read it like the series, but it just doesn't work for me.

 

 

Sounds great. You could also give Warbreaker a go if you like clever characters, as one of the main characters, Lightsong, is very, very clever. His conversations with Blushweaver are quite entertaining.

 

 

I'll try that when I finish with Words of Radiance. And more a poetic writing structure may turn out to be quite refreshing.

 

 

Does The Wolf Age involve a guy who is becoming a wolf or something along those lines? Because after The Wheel of Time (And some other book I don't remember the title of), I'm quite bored of that particular plot line.

 

I'll give it a look as well. 

 

It's not really... poetic, it's more like he's... I don't want to say he's not great for the first few chapters, but he's getting used to it and then gets a whole lot better as he does. Hard to explain unless you read it.

 

No, it's about an old, cynical, and cranky guy who everyone thinks is a wizard, but is just a decent mechanic in all reality. There are 'werewolves' of the sort, but they're mainly the antagonists of the book. Told from the point of view of a set of gods that hate the main character. If you like corrupt politicking and some really dark fantasy (has mature themes that do make people uncomfortable, one of the main characters is castrated, another was raped in front of Morlock {the main character} and he gets put into a prison where he does some pretty terrible things) but if you're okay with reading something like that, you'd probably enjoy it. Of course, read the books that come before that one, as it is a series, but ya know.

[Ouraibaa Hjyuraa]

It's not really... poetic, it's more like he's... I don't want to say he's not great for the first few chapters, but he's getting used to it and then gets a whole lot better as he does. Hard to explain unless you read it.

Fair enough. It's good to be honest.

 

 

No, it's about an old, cynical, and cranky guy who everyone thinks is a wizard, but is just a decent mechanic in all reality. There are 'werewolves' of the sort, but they're mainly the antagonists of the book. Told from the point of view of a set of gods that hate the main character. If you like corrupt politicking and some really dark fantasy (has mature themes that do make people uncomfortable, one of the main characters is castrated, another was raped in front of Morlock {the main character} and he gets put into a prison where he does some pretty terrible things) but if you're okay with reading something like that, you'd probably enjoy it. Of course, read the books that come before that one, as it is a series, but ya know.

I love dark fantasy. You said he's a good mechanic. Does that mean it's set in a more modern world than the usual fantasy setting?

[havoc]

hey i know this is only slightly relevant but, its been bugging me for ages now.

 

How come almost every fantasy story that pits science vs magic goes for the unrealistic outcome of having the magic side win?

Science is much more likely to win bacause you know you don't really have time to shout a six word spell for a barrier while someone is shooting at you with a assualt rifle.

Because you know bullets are a little faster......

 

Well I suppose there are exceptions like zero no tsukaima and The Gate thus the JSDF fought there but those are really rare exceptions.

Also The gate is a great manga by the way. With a good story and likable charaters.

It is adapted from a novel, unfortunatly it is not translated wich is a real shame.

As far as i am aware the reason is is that it is to difficult to translated.

 

Another thing that has been bugging me is,

Why is it always the whimps that get summond to another word, would it not be nice if we got a soldier summond to another word for a change.

Just imagine Louise summoning a special force soldier who was on a training excercise instead of saito.

I think that would make for some great comedy. And having a proactive protagonist for a change would be nice as well.

[Sammeh]

I love dark fantasy. You said he's a good mechanic. Does that mean it's set in a more modern world than the usual fantasy setting?

 

Yup, it's not Steampunk yet, still medieval fantasy, but it's getting there. Like, for example, he created a large plumbing system (implied to be an aqueduct) that everyone is convinced he did through magic. He's just handy.

 

The character, Morlock Ambrosius, is one of my favorite characters in literature. He has a lot of depth to him.

[havoc]

I don't like it so much because it's a bad story, it's that I really don't find J.K. Rowling's writing to be that good. But, that's just my opinion, I know plenty of people, more than plenty, most people who read it like the series, but it just doesn't work for me.

Sorry was not clear enough, it is not story that is bad or character i meant the writing style wich i also think is not the best.

But you must also see that it is her first work.

[Sammeh]

hey i know this is only slightly relevant but, its been bugging me for ages now.

 

How come almost every fantasy story that pits science vs magic goes for the unrealistic outcome of having the magic side win?

Science is much more likely to win bacause you know you don't really have time to shout a six word spell for a barrier while someone is shooting at you with a assualt rifle.

Because you know bullets are a little faster......

 

Well I suppose there are exceptions like zero no tsukaima and The Gate thus the JSDF fought there but those are really rare exceptions.

Also The gate is a great manga by the way. With a good story and likable charaters.

It is adapted from a novel, unfortunatly it is not translated wich is a real shame.

As far as i am aware the reason is is that it is to difficult to translated.

 

I think it's because that appeases the reader. You grow up in a world where you are convinced magic is real, santa claus is real, the easter bunny is real, etc. Well, depending on your culture of course.

 

I guess you could attribute that to a society where, in reality, even though your parents tell you that you can do anything, you really can't.

 

So when you read a book where technology is dominating your childish fantasy of magic, it's not exactly a happy way to go about things. It's actually quite sad to think that the human spirit, the energy that you can supposedly draw power from, can't do shit against a guy with a gun who is a good shot.

 

Although, that would be a really interesting concept to write about. Technology vs Magic and technology ends up winning. Rather than relying on 'inspiration and spirit' and all that, the intelligent, rational humans who'd much rather create a war machine to kill you with than memorize a six word spell win in the end.

 

An underdog story where the underdog loses and turns out to be more of a bad guy in the long run.

 

EDIT: 

 

Sorry was not clear enough, it is not story that is bad or character i meant the writing style wich i also think is not the best.

But you must also see that it is her first work.

 

I know, I know. I don't despise her work or anything, it's just not my thing, I guess. I don't mean to offend, if you like it, that's great. Don't let anyone tell you that you shouldn't.

[Ouraibaa Hjyuraa]

Yup, it's not Steampunk yet, still medieval fantasy, but it's getting there. Like, for example, he created a large plumbing system (implied to be an aqueduct) that everyone is convinced he did through magic. He's just handy.

 

The character, Morlock Ambrosius, is one of my favorite characters in literature. He has a lot of depth to him.

I'm not a fan of steampunk, but I did enjoy the scientific progression in The Wheel of Time, so I'll probably enjoy it in Morlock the Maker.

[havoc]

I think it's because that appeases the reader. You grow up in a world where you are convinced magic is real, santa claus is real, the easter bunny is real, etc. Well, depending on your culture of course.

 

I guess you could attribute that to a society where, in reality, even though your parents tell you that you can do anything, you really can't.

 

So when you read a book where technology is dominating your childish fantasy of magic, it's not exactly a happy way to go about things. It's actually quite sad to think that the human spirit, the energy that you can supposedly draw power from, can't do shit against a guy with a gun who is a good shot.

 

Although, that would be a really interesting concept to write about. Technology vs Magic and technology ends up winning. Rather than relying on 'inspiration and spirit' and all that, the intelligent, rational humans who'd much rather create a war machine to kill you with than memorize a six word spell win in the end.

 

An underdog story where the underdog loses and turns out to be more of a bad guy in the long run.

 

EDIT: 

 

 

I know, I know. I don't despise her work or anything, it's just not my thing, I guess. I don't mean to offend, if you like it, that's great. Don't let anyone tell you that you shouldn't.

Of course you dont, and i dont get offended easily don't worry everyone has a right to his own opinion and i can understand that you dont like the writing style.

As it is most definitly the weakest link in the series.

(besides offending me on the internet would be a real achievement

Hmmm interseting point of view i grew up in holland and generally we don't grow up with magic.

Of course there are some fairytales around. But by the time you are 5 you generally already know they are fake.

 

As for me Santa claus was never really something  i believed in.

Sinterklaas was something i did believe in until i was about 7 i think.

 

Also The gate manga might be worth checking out.

It generally has some adult themes and politics plays a role in it as well

Altough  not as much in the novels.

It was the first manga i actually read.

I generally prefer anime or books or vn so pretty picky about my manga.

(I just like more tekst i guess)

http://mangapark.com/manga/gate-thus-the-jsdf-fought-there

 

And a funny pic from the mangaka wich illustrates perfectly what it is not about.....

[FinalChaos]

Gah, I'm being ignored .......

 

I bet this is some kind of sign which is telling that I should be rather studying for my exams.....