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Now I remember the most embarrassing Saber fight history moment - when she got her ass kicked and neck choked by a master.Ā 

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So where do you guys think Souichirou stand on rankings of masters in terms of power (including his enhancement from Caster.)?

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Not many people know this, but Souichirou's power increase and decreases depending on how historically accurate his opponents are. BDSM Medusa? Rekt. Gender-bent King Arthur? Rekt. No-name Japanese high school student? Oh shit, my fists are bleeding!

In case you don't get the joke, Souichirou is a history and ethics teacher.

As far as power-ranking goes, then Caster > Illya > Kuzuki > Rin > Shirou > Shinji.

But it kinda depends on the scenarios. Kuzuki could defeat every Master in melee, but if he can't get close, he gets destroyed. (Rin just sucks at aiming.)

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I think Shirou fending of Kuzuki was complete BS; and then he even stops caster from destroying them at the end there, well... "just because."

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I also had a flashback of Rin getting her face smashed like a pumpkin when you pick one of the bad ending choices there.Ā 

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Not many people know this, but Souichirou's power increase and decreases depending on how historically accurate his opponents are. BDSM Medusa? Rekt. Gender-bent King Arthur? Rekt. No-name Japanese high school student? Oh shit, my fists are bleeding!

In case you don't get the joke, Souichirou is a history and ethics teacher.

As far as power-ranking goes, then Caster > Illya > Kuzuki > Rin > Shirou > Shinji.

But it kinda depends on the scenarios. Kuzuki could defeat every Master in melee, but if he can't get close, he gets destroyed. (Rin just sucks at aiming.)

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Actually, one of them hit.

Just barely scraping against his body doesn't count.

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Anyways what was that spoiler you were talking about ? I've read the vn but I can't remember why Archer would fare better than Saber against Kuzuki.

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Just barely scraping against his body doesn't count.

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Anyways what was that spoiler you were talking about ? I've read the vn but I can't remember why Archer would fare better than Saber against Kuzuki.

It still made contact, so it's a hit.

Archer is Shirou, so he already participated in the Holy Grail War, and thus knows about Kuzuki. Kuzuki's techniques rely heavily upon their weirdness and the element of surprise. Without that, he'd get rekt'd. This is also why Shirou didn't get rekt'd against Kuzuki, as the blades he projected had Archer's experience in them.

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It still made contact, so it's a hit.

Archer is Shirou, so he already participated in the Holy Grail War, and thus knows about Kuzuki. Kuzuki's techniques rely heavily upon their weirdness and the element of surprise. Without that, he'd get rekt'd. This is also why Shirou didn't get rekt'd against Kuzuki, as the blades he projected had Archer's experience in them.

That might be true.

But the plot behind the origin of Heroic Spirits and their time-independence is pretty shaky and has many chinks in it. For example - it said that Heroic Spirits don't remember their previous summonings, and at the same time said that they have the knowledge of the world's current state and other heroic spirits from their previous summonings.

Saber is ofcourse an exception to the memory thing.

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That might be true.

But the plot behind the origin of Heroic Spirits and their time-independence is pretty shaky and has many chinks in it. For example - it said that Heroic Spirits don't remember their previous summonings, and at the same time said that they have the knowledge of the world's current state and other heroic spirits from their previous summonings.

Saber is ofcourse an exception to the memory thing.

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It still made contact, so it's a hit.

Archer is Shirou, so he already participated in the Holy Grail War, and thus knows about Kuzuki. Kuzuki's techniques rely heavily upon their weirdness and the element of surprise. Without that, he'd get rekt'd. This is also why Shirou didn't get rekt'd against Kuzuki, as the blades he projected had Archer's experience in them.

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Before Archer existed, how did Shirou survive Kuzuki's attacks? The chicken and the egg thing... yeah.Ā 

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That might be true.

But the plot behind the origin of Heroic Spirits and their time-independence is pretty shaky and has many chinks in it. For example - it said that Heroic Spirits don't remember their previous summonings, and at the same time said that they have the knowledge of the world's current state and other heroic spirits from their previous summonings.

Saber is ofcourse an exception to the memory thing.

Heroic Spirits don't get summoned twice, as they are just copies of the real people. Once a Servant dies, it is consumed by the Grail.

If the same Servant is summoned later, it's a different copy of the original, as the Servant from the previous war was consumed by the Grail.

I don't really see how your comment serves as a counter to what I said.

Archer lost his memory for a day or so because of Rin's summoning.

However, he had it back by the time Shirou fought Kuzuki, so his knowledge of how Kuzuki fights was back, thus enabling Shirou's projection of his weapons to fight back against Kuzuki.

Before Archer existed, how did Shirou survive Kuzuki's attacks? The chicken and the egg thing... yeah.Ā 

Archer is from a different route where some of the things happened differently. For example, he never found out that Caster summoned Assassin. He

did, however, fight Kuzuki or study his fighting method.

And besides, Avalon would have kept him alive through most of what Kuzuki could do to him.

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well I only asked because I got the best story. This one time i was on the bus and some guys from our "rival" high school were being loud and annoying. Then they started saying this girl was stupid and then she was like I'm not stupid. They then said well if you're not stupid what's pi. Then she said I don't know and in unison they said it, but they said it wrong so I got to correct the idiots and it was great.

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