Nora to Oujo to Noraneko Heart English Release

[PhleBuster]

I think I might've already said it somewhere earlier in the thread, but to clarify the CGs have the same degree of minimal censoring as the Switch version does, not the light-show of the PS4 version.

[UnHolyFiretruck]

there was someone on the steam forums talking about a fanmade patch in progress, does anyone here know anything about it? just hoping it's real

[Infernoplex]

3 minutes ago, UnHolyFiretruck said:

there was someone on the steam forums talking about a fanmade patch in progress, does anyone here know anything about it? just hoping it's real

I've only seen one for the bath scenes. I didn't hear of any patch to restore H-scenes.

Also... does anyone here know which release is the most complete one for Noratoto? Say, if I were to pick up the original PC 18+ release from Japan, what would I be missing, content-wise? Some bonus scenarios perhaps?

[Swim Swim]

12 minutes ago, Infernoplex said:

I've only seen one for the bath scenes. I didn't hear of any patch to restore H-scenes.

Also... does anyone here know which release is the most complete one for Noratoto? Say, if I were to pick up the original PC 18+ release from Japan, what would I be missing, content-wise? Some bonus scenarios perhaps?

You are correct H-scene patch cannot be made, since PC never had an all ages version to begin with. In japan this game was always 18+ only, it was so popular that they made a different all ages version for CONSOLES. The release for West is based on the CONSOLE VERSION,also this version has an additional scenes that's unique to this version, it would be really difficult to make a patch for this since its different from the ORIGINAL 18+ version on PC.

As for the most complete version, the original PC JP game had like 4-5 scenes per heroine, just look at some CGs and basically it was 30-40% of the content that game had to offer, this game considered a borderline nukige. Usually there are differences between censored and butchered game... this one has been slaughtered with no mercy!

This is an eroge stripped of its ero content, unfortunately Japanese treats west as inferior beings and we get censored versions most of time, also cultural imperialism extremely strong and every game changed to suit US ideals and mainstream ideologies (SJW/ progressive feminist, American puritism)

[JoshB2084]

2 hours ago, Swim Swim said:

SJW/progressive feminist

I wish that never exist... [sighs]

[Nier]

3 hours ago, Swim Swim said:

American puritism

I wish that never exist... [sighs]

Edited June 24, 2019 by Nier

[Infernoplex]

5 hours ago, Swim Swim said:

You are correct H-scene patch cannot be made, since PC never had an all ages version to begin with. In japan this game was always 18+ only, it was so popular that they made a different all ages version for CONSOLES. The release for West is based on the CONSOLE VERSION,also this version has an additional scenes that's unique to this version, it would be really difficult to make a patch for this since its different from the ORIGINAL 18+ version on PC.

As for the most complete version, the original PC JP game had like 4-5 scenes per heroine, just look at some CGs and basically it was 30-40% of the content that game had to offer, this game considered a borderline nukige. Usually there are differences between censored and butchered game... this one has been slaughtered with no mercy!

This is an eroge stripped of its ero content, unfortunately Japanese treats west as inferior beings and we get censored versions most of time, also cultural imperialism extremely strong and every game changed to suit US ideals and mainstream ideologies (SJW/ progressive feminist, American puritism)

That's why I asked which release is the most complete one. I was thinking there may be one that has everything included, but... turns out you either play the original Japanese release with H-scenes, or you play the all-ages one without H-scenes, but some other additional content. RIP. Huge RIP. You would need a great hacker to add back in the H-scenes into the all-ages release

...Guess I'll just go for the original Japanese release with H-scenes anyway.

[Nier]

Someone released a "CG Patch" that replace the censored CGs from the console version with the ones from the original japanese PC version.

Example:

Vanilla Steam Version:

Spoiler

Steam version w/ CG Patch:

Spoiler

 

Edited June 24, 2019 by Nier

[JoshB2084]

3 minutes ago, Nier said:

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Nice, that's baby step.

Edited June 24, 2019 by JoshB2084

[ShinRaikdou]

14 minutes ago, Nier said:

Someone released a "CG Patch" that replace the censored CG from the console version with the ones from the original japanese PC version.

At least now it looks like "BD anime release" compared to original "TV" one.

It's a crime to hide these well-drawn nipples, I must say.

Edited June 24, 2019 by ShinRaikdou

[Nier]

2 minutes ago, ShinRaikdou said:

It's a crime to hide these well-drawn nipples, I must say.

Indeed... *single manly tear*

[JoshB2084]

9 minutes ago, ShinRaikdou said:

It's a crime to hide those well drawn nipples, I must say.

 

Free nipple, free nipppppplllllllleeeeeee!

 

*sit at corner, and cries*

[PhleBuster]

 

58 minutes ago, Nier said:

Someone released a "CG Patch" that replace the censored CGs from the console version with the ones from the original japanese PC version.

Example:

Vanilla Steam Version:

 

 

Actually that's from the PS4 version. This is the default Steam version of the art:

Spoiler

 

 

Edited June 24, 2019 by PhleBuster
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[Nier]

1 minute ago, PhleBuster said:

 

Actually that's from the PS4 version. This is the default Steam version of the art:

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I see, thank you for correcting me. But isn't that CG (the one where they are fully clothed) also in the Switch version?

[PhleBuster]

Just now, Nier said:

I see, thank you for correcting me. But isn't that CG (the one where they are fully clothed) also in the Switch version?

I don't think so, it's one of those CGs they specifically made and patched in to replace some of the original CGs which were forced to be 90% beams of light in the PS4 version.

[Nier]

2 minutes ago, PhleBuster said:

I don't think so, it's one of those CGs they specifically made and patched in to replace some of the original CGs which were forced to be 90% beams of light in the PS4 version.

Haha okay thank you for the info.

[Dergonu]

Neat. Hopefully someone makes a patch for the H-scenes too. It's always a shame seeing good games censored in the west.

[Nier]

9 minutes ago, Dergonu said:

Neat. Hopefully someone makes a patch for the H-scenes too. It's always a shame seeing good games censored in the west.

Well this game has a total of 20 H-Scenes which is quite a lot.

[Swim Swim]

1 hour ago, Infernoplex said:

That's why I asked which release is the most complete one. I was thinking there may be one that has everything included, but... turns out you either play the original Japanese release with H-scenes, or you play the all-ages one without H-scenes, but some other additional content. RIP. Huge RIP. You would need a great hacker to add back in the H-scenes into the all-ages release

...Guess I'll just go for the original Japanese release with H-scenes anyway.

For an Eroge, I personally feel cutting out sex scenes is the equivalent of a fan settling for a MTL of a story. Yes, you can enjoy the work despite the missing content but u do miss a lot. Of course JP developers also responsible for this, I guess to them releasing All ages = Multi-platform plus PC release as an added cash grab, since westerners will buy it anyway and the developers dont have to take risk with ero content, "high school grill drawing is underage porn etc".. 

The best example would be releasing an FPS game, with the following announcement: "There wont be a version with guns because of licensing reasons" But you can still enjoy the FPS game's story....

Same thing for me.

[Dergonu]

14 hours ago, Nier said:

Well this game has a total of 20 H-Scenes which is quite a lot.

Yeah, I've played the orignal. It's going to take quite some work to make a patch for it. Even if someone does do it, it won't be out for quite a while. (And tbh, it's unlikely someone is going to bother.) Still, one can hope. Best case would be that the devs sees the backlash about the lack of H and makes one themselves. Though, they seem fairly steadfast on not doing so, sadly.

Before someone asks why I care if I've read it already: While I've already read the game in Japanese, I hate to see situations like these. I want others to be able to experience the full game like I did.
I like to support official releases of my favorite games, so I'd love to buy an English copy of this. But, I don't usually purchase censored versions of games, so I'm a bit torn on this one. On one hand, I'd like to support the release, but on the other, I'm hesitant as it would feel like condoning censorship.

@Mr Poltroon and I had a discussion about this very issue some time ago. Not buying the game at all just means the company might lose interest in the western market from poor sales, but supporting a censored release might lead to them doing it again. I want neither.
I generally try to go with option number three and be vocal about the issue and hope a full version gets released one day that I can support. Hence, my comments on the matter. Not sure exactly to what extent Fruitbat's representative on here deals with the devs if at all, but one can hope our talks abut the issue at least makes it to the ears of the devs through them.

[adamstan]

59 minutes ago, Nier said:

Well this game has a total of 20 H-Scenes which is quite a lot.

Yeah, but number alone says nothing. I've already mentioned Sanoba - Nene's route reportedly had 9(?) h-scenes, yet Steam version didn't feel butchered at all to me - Nekonyan did great job there, cutting just the intercourse itself, but leaving everything else intact. I thoroughly enjoyed it. Same with Princess Evangile - Steam version is port of console version - just like Noratoto - and I think it was really good, despite reading +18 version first. Story-important scenes (like the first time) got similar treatment like Sanoba, while some semi-random scenes got seamlessly removed, and it was actually beneficial to the flow of the story (I even forgot that there were so many there ).

While I can understand the desire for H, nevertheless since this Noratoto Steam release is based on already existing JP all-ages version, I feel like calling it "butchered for the West" and comparing it to original release of IMHHW is a bit far fetched and unfair.

Of course, it's also possible, that Harukaze didn't do as good job as Moonstone or NekoNyan, and console version will feel incomplete - but then, the outrage should be directed at "poorly done all-ages version", and not just at the act of doing all ages version itself.

I'm probably going to play this after I finish MashiroIro, and then I'll gladly report my impressions here. NoisyPixel's review seems to be favourable despite the lack of H (although they mention, that sometimes it didn't went smoothly).

Edited June 24, 2019 by adamstan

[Nier]

Just now, adamstan said:

Yeah, but number alone says nothing.

It says that a big chunk of content was cut.

Not only that, it also means that it will be alot of work if someone ever decided to make a restoration patch.

16 minutes ago, adamstan said:

nevertheless since this Noratoto Steam release is based on already existing JP all-ages version

It's not really like any other version, it's it's own version like PhleBuster mentioned on Steam.

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It's not any of the console versions per se, as it comes with a number of new additions

 

[Dergonu]

28 minutes ago, adamstan said:

Yeah, but number alone says nothing. I've already mentioned Sanoba - Nene's route reportedly had 9(?) h-scenes, yet Steam version didn't feel butchered at all to me - Nekonyan did great job there, cutting just the intercourse itself, but leaving everything else intact. I thoroughly enjoyed it. Same with Princess Evangile - Steam version is port of console version - just like Noratoto - and I think it was really good, despite reading +18 version first. Story-important scenes (like the first time) got similar treatment like Sanoba, while some semi-random scenes got seamlessly removed, and it was actually beneficial to the flow of the story (I even forgot that there were so many there ).

While I can understand the desire for H, nevertheless since this Noratoto Steam release is based on already existing JP all-ages version, I feel like calling it "butchered for the West" and comparing it to original release of IMHHW is a bit far fetched and unfair.

Of course, it's also possible, that Harukaze didn't do as good job as Moonstone or NekoNyan, and console version will feel incomplete - but then, the outrage should be directed at "poorly done all-ages version", and not just at the act of doing all ages version itself.

Oh boy, another discussion I've had with Poltroon in the past. Are you sure you're not his alt?

The issue with stances like this is- yes, you're right, it might not feel like you're missing anything at all. It's probably cut in a way that makes sure of that! But, that doesn't mean you aren't actually missing stuff. In fact, with the amount of H in this game you probably are.
I haven't read the console version, so I don't know to what extent it cuts out H content, but the H is certainly "important" in this game, (as important as H can get; there's definitely "plot" related talks during the scenes, and many of them happen directly following emotional scenes, where dialogue will naturally continue in the H scene, instead of it being a complete scene transition into an isolated H-scene.)

Often the feel you have when reading the cut game will be quite misleading. You don't know that you're missing out on stuff, because... well, it's not there so how would you know!

I'm all for all-ages versions being available if someone prefers those, but the original not being available at all is in my opinion a problem for this very reason. People might start saying it's just as complete as the original, because it doesn't feel like anything is cut, when in reality, a good chunk of content might be missing. But with no 18+ version available in English, people aren't able to check just how much content is missing.

The all-ages versions of Grisaia is a good example of this issue. I actually feel like people buying those are being ripped off. The actual ending in Rakuen is just staright up missing in the all-ages version. You actually don't see the way the story ends for the characters if you buy that. Yet, people don't complain about anything missing, because... well, they don't know it's missing!
See the problem?

[Mr Poltroon]

Whilst I find light beams obnoxious, and therefore will be looking for that patch that just replaces such instances with the non-light beam versions, the missing H-Scenes are probably not a problem. I'd have skipped them anyway, I just know it.

At least it seems the original developers wanted to make a good English release without investing too much $$$ and without risking worse attention/experiences than Sony breathing down their necks. That's more than can be said for some companies that ignore criticism (choosing a translation company that isn't very good is somewhat understandable -- the flow of information for a niche market like this doesn't flow very well to the original developers -- but ignoring warnings specifically directed at them does mean they might end up going with SakuraGame for English translations) or are simply xenophobic. That said, I believe it remains understandable that some companies just don't want to release their H-Games overseas. There's been some bad experiences in the past.

42 minutes ago, Dergonu said:

@Mr Poltroon and I had a discussion about this very issue some time ago. Not buying the game at all just means the company might lose interest in the western market from poor sales, but supporting a censored release might lead to them doing it again. I want neither.
I generally try to go with option number three and be vocal about the issue and hope a full version gets released one day that I can support. Hence, my comments on the matter. Not sure exactly to what extent Fruitbait's representative on here deals with the devs if at all, but one can hope our talks abut the issue at least makes it to the ears of the devs through them.

And I believe this is ultimately the best approach.

That said, the Western market at the time was a bit iffier than it is now. Now games make it here rather often, whereas at the time releases were far fewer than now. If there's so many VNs you can't read them all, then it's understandable that you'd skip on those that don't agree with your values. As a consumer, supporting the market is not necessarily the primary concern.

1 minute ago, Dergonu said:

The all-ages versions of Grisaia is a good example of this issue. I actually feel like people buying those are being ripped off. The actual ending in Rakuen is just staright up missing in the all-ages version. You actually don't see the way the story ends for the characters if you buy that. Yet, people don't complain about anything missing, because... well, they don't know it's missing!
See the problem?

No, but I understand how you'd have one and I don't feel like redoing the conversation will be particularly worthwhile.

As you've detailed your perspective, I'll just restate mine:

 

It doesn't matter that in actuality you're missing scenes if the reason you're reading VNs is to feel/experience something. The objective of all-ages versions are to provide experiences/feelings that mimic the original (but may be toned down / less scandalous versions of certain emotional moments) and leave you satisfied with a complete product by the end. All-ages is not competing with 18+, they're different versions of the same thing, and if you feel you had a complete experience, then that just means it did its job correctly in leaving you satisfied with your product.

The ideal scenario is that both versions are always available.

[adamstan]

30 minutes ago, Dergonu said:

Oh boy, another discussion I've had with Poltroon in the past. Are you sure you're not his alt?

No, definitely not, I assure you

30 minutes ago, Dergonu said:

(as important as H can get; there's definitely "plot" related talks during the scenes, and many of them happen directly following emotional scenes, where dialogue will naturally continue in the H scene, instead of it being a complete scene transition into an isolated H-scene.)

I was just going to ask you how were the h-scenes in this since you've already read it If it's as you say above, then indeed that might be problematic. That was the issue I had with all-ages versions of Sakura Sakura or Hitotsuba (also, the cuts were too broad), and that's why I switched to +18 versions for those.

30 minutes ago, Dergonu said:

Often the feel you have when reading the cut game will be quite misleading. You don't know that you're missing out on stuff, because... well, it's not there so how would you know!

There's some truth to that. But then - with PE I've read both versions (+18 first) and yet I slightly prefer all-ages in this case. The important thing is - did they put the effort to convey the intimacy between the characters in other ways, or not. Because yeah, those emotional dialogues are important, but countless lines of moans, sound effects and narrating every single thrust can quickly become tiresome, and not all writers can find good balance

I mentioned above some games where I finally chose +18 version. But then OTOH there was SukiSuki, where I really lamented the lack of proper all-ages edition Its H-scenes were awful for moege. There was no love at all in them - just mechanical fucking - at least that was my perception.

Also, let's not forget Key classics (Kanon, AIR, and LB), where h-scenes totally ruin the mood...

BTW I'm still curious how will Cruise Sign turn out for me, as H-scenes in Konosora were pretty good, and besides they seem to be rather essential plot point for Ageha's route.

15 minutes ago, Mr Poltroon said:

It doesn't matter that in actuality you're missing scenes if the reason you're reading VNs is to feel/experience something. The objective of all-ages versions are to provide experiences/feelings that mimic the original (but may be toned down / less scandalous versions of certain emotional moments) and leave you satisfied with a complete product by the end. All-ages is not competing with 18+, they're different versions of the same thing, and if you feel you had a complete experience, then that just means it did its job correctly in leaving you satisfied with your product.

The ideal scenario is that both versions are always available.

+1

Edited June 24, 2019 by adamstan