Virtual reality going in the right direction

[hsmsful]

Actually, VR is just another possible plane of existence. It can generate resources and income in the same manner real life does. Money is money, no matter the form.

You think money is the only resource? ok

You can't really generate the biggest important thing for VRs to work(aka electricity) unless that's from the real world. And unless it comes with extra technology, I don't think you can eat there. At least we haven't reached anything similar.

 

Simple solution. All who want to live in a separate virtual world shall have their bodies plugged in massive machines, converting their biological energy into usable power.

Meh , this is a simple good solution but just how they are all over the internet saying with proud that they are miserable shut-ins (who hate the crappy game known as reality ~_~ ) , most people will proudly do that.

[Okami]

Then I can safely look at VR in a negative view.

Since Neets, Hikikomori and other similar kinds of people are a negative incident in our society (even thou I am one of them) so increasing the number of such people is wrong... totally wrong.

Ok Joke over.

It will be painful if we didn't care about the real world because of a virtual world which runs on the real world resources.

And I don't think we should be happy about that happening .... as much as it is something that has spreading on the internet, Shut-ins will still be a negative life style that we need to leave. 

 

That is only one point of view, you should look at a bigger picture. Once VR get to the point ware we can have all of our senses while in it it want be by any means inferior to a RL so there won't be any reasons why spending time in VR instead of RL should be considered as bad. And as IceD said we can gain recurses needed for life (money) in VR just as we can in RL and in the future it would probably be even easier to find an online job then now, not to mention that with help of technology less and less people are needed for RL jobs so people working in VR instead of RL won't really affect gaining other recurses as less people will be needed for RL jobs anyway.

 

 

Meh , this is a simple good solution but just how they are all over the internet saying with proud that they are miserable shut-ins (who hate the crappy game known as reality ~_~ ) , most people will proudly do that.

 

Who cares what people say the important thing is that you yourself are satisfied with your life. Would you really sacrificed your own happiness just so people don't have a bad opinion about you. Also whatever you do there will always be people who will have a bad opinion about you anyway but who cares about that.

[crunchytaco]

Periferals are not exactly what i'm referring to.

Periferals require one to be conscious and require physical effort.

I'm talking about real full fledged virtual reproduction of your 5 senses in your mind. If i were to put it better, your physical body would be kind of in a coma state but your mind is connected to the game and reproducing an entire virtual world where all your 5 senses work and you feel alive in it pretty much. That is a perfect virtual world.

That's the kind of virtual reality i hope one day we can achieve.

This is as brilliant as it is scary though.

For a perfect reference of what i'm talking about you should watch the movie ExixtenZ, it deals with the subject of virtual reality and gaming in a brilliant way.

 

Well we had something like the smell-o-vision back in the 60's. The idea proposed of sending off these odors from the TV set so people smell whatever was on TV. People were pretty repulsed by the thought of smelling feet and sardine on their TV, so it never really became popular. 

 

The immersion part of smell can be a double edge sword. 

[Guest]

Meh , this is a simple good solution but just how they are all over the internet saying with proud that they are miserable shut-ins (who hate the crappy game known as reality ~_~ ) , most people will proudly do that.

 

DANGER DANGER

 

The already 90% derailing thread is gonna derail even more.

[hsmsful]

DANGER DANGER

 

The already 90% derailing thread is gonna derail even more.

 

We are only getting started

but I don't really have anything else to say as everyone has said his opinions 

[HMN]

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[Okami]

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Terrible, just terrible.

Such amazing technology and people want to waste it for such simple things.

 

It's so sad.

[Nosebleed]

Well we had something like the smell-o-vision back in the 60's. The idea proposed of sending off these odors from the TV set so people smell whatever was on TV. People were pretty repulsed by the thought of smelling feet and sardine on their TV, so it never really became popular. 

 

The immersion part of smell can be a double edge sword. 

Of all the smells to reproduce.. I can't even. I knew about this one though.

 

Well a perfect virtual immersion doesn't mean a perfect life. Of course your sense of smell will have its drawbacks. Same thing with sense of

touch since you'd be able to feel pain, etc.

 

The upside though is that the world could be programmed to adjust your senses like decreasing pain sensitivity, of course this would deviate from a full virtual reproduction of yourself, but then again we don't want to clone our lives into a game, we want to have some sort of upside to it or else it's meaningless, this is where the game would factor in, depending on the game's genre, giving us powers/abilities and things of the sort and it would be programmed in such a way that it'd make you feel more like a superhuman rather than a clone of yourself.

 

Of course this is all far far in the future~

[Okami]

Of all the smells to reproduce.. I can't even. I knew about this one though.

 

Well a perfect virtual immersion doesn't mean a perfect life. Of course your sense of smell will have its drawbacks. Same thing with sense of

touch since you'd be able to feel pain, etc.

 

The upside though is that the world could be programmed to adjust your senses like decreasing pain sensitivity, of course this would deviate from a full virtual reproduction of yourself, but then again we don't want to clone our lives into a game, we want to have some sort of upside to it or else it's meaningless, this is where the game would factor in, depending on the game's genre, giving us powers/abilities and things of the sort and it would be programmed in such a way that it'd make you feel more like a superhuman rather than a clone of yourself.

 

Of course this is all far far in the future~

 

Sense of touch and sense of pain are not really the same so dividing them shouldn't be that big of a problem. It could be even set so you can feel a bullet hinting you and entering in you but not feel a pain of it.

 

Also I don't think that it's so far into the future I expect to see it in next 10-20 years, 25 max.

[Nosebleed]

Sense of touch and sense of pain are not really the same so dividing them shouldn't be that big of a problem. It could be even set so you can feel a bullet hinting you and entering in you but not feel a pain of it.

 

Also I don't think that it's so far into the future I expect to see it in next 10-20 years, 25 max.

Sense of touch is a very vague word but it includes all things related to feeling external factors interacting with your body. Pain and all other physical feelings are derived from it, that's what I was kind of getting at, adjusting your nerve system in a way that it can detect certain things like if you're holding a rock but not make you feel extreme pain if you're hit by a bullet. Of course this is all virtually done so yeah i believe it's possible if scientist can uncover more about the human brain and how it processes pain and other sensations.

 

I don't know if it'll take 20 years, it's hard to predict science. Fingers crossed.

[Okami]

Sense of touch is a very vague word but it includes all things related to feeling external factors interacting with your body. Pain and all other physical feelings are derived from it, that's what I was kind of getting at, adjusting your nerve system in a way that it can detect certain things like if you're holding a rock but not make you feel extreme pain if you're hit by a bullet. Of course this is all virtually done so yeah i believe it's possible if scientist can uncover more about the human brain and how it processes pain and other sensations.

 

I don't know if it'll take 20 years, it's hard to predict science. Fingers crossed.

 

Actively a lot about how brain processes pain and Nociceptors (Nerves in charge for pain) is already known that's why we can tell that if we could just find a way to connect our nerves with VR shutting off just pain while leaving rest of our senses would be a easy task.

 

And it's not that hard to predict technology development, if we just look at 20 years in a past and development of technology science then till now and we assume that telephony will continue it's development with the same speed we can quite accurately tell what will we have in 20 years from now. The only thing we need to know is what needs to be done for that technology to be made and how close to it are we now (How advance it is). And the things that need to be done in order for this to be made is not that advanced that it would need more then 20 years to be made. The only question is if demand for it will be high enough in order for right people to get into making it.

 

If we imagine situation ware we had wary high demand for it enough for top scientist with enough founds to get to the job right now this technology could be made in few years.

 

Ask yourself why we needed to wait for something like Oculist Rift so long when similar technology existed  for a long time, because demand for it wasn't high enough to get people to put priority to it. 

[crunchytaco]

Of all the smells to reproduce.. I can't even. I knew about this one though.

 

Well a perfect virtual immersion doesn't mean a perfect life. Of course your sense of smell will have its drawbacks. Same thing with sense of

touch since you'd be able to feel pain, etc.

 

The upside though is that the world could be programmed to adjust your senses like decreasing pain sensitivity, of course this would deviate from a full virtual reproduction of yourself, but then again we don't want to clone our lives into a game, we want to have some sort of upside to it or else it's meaningless, this is where the game would factor in, depending on the game's genre, giving us powers/abilities and things of the sort and it would be programmed in such a way that it'd make you feel more like a superhuman rather than a clone of yourself.

 

Of course this is all far far in the future~

 

This requires technology that will have to stimulate the nerves directly. Pain and touch are more complicated. It's quite different from looking at images through a lens. 

 

We actually have started research on these types of technology for decades now. Most of them have been abandoned due to lost of interest from sponsers, researches outliving the lead researcher, etc.

 

A long time ago I saw a documentary about a blind woman who had these thick cables attached to her brain, linking up to a portable but bulky battery and computer system. The experiment led up to the point where she could make out flashes of light before the entire experiment was shelved. 

 

I'm not sure if this is related to that previous experiment but another project has been making progress on this technology

 

Vision of the future: The bionic eye that could help millions of blind to see again after woman had partial sight restored in pioneering tests

 

My point is if we can manipulate the nerves to give blind people vision, we can manipulate capably healthy nerves for a real VR experience.  

[HMN]

Terrible, just terrible.

Such amazing technology and people want to waste it for such simple things.

 

It's so sad.

it doesn't end there they are whole companies just to produce virtual reality porn,now that's sad..

[Nosebleed]

The porn industry is like any other industry. There is demand for it, therefore it exists, that's how things work.

 

There are people producing VR games unrelated to porn, and honestly these are the majority and it will probably stay that way so no need to panic.

But there will also be people using VR technology for porn.

Welcome to reality where nothing is perfect.

[arakura]

I don't think it's fair to say that it's a tragedy because the use is too "simple" for the complexity of the technology. If anything, I'd say it's a tragedy that people spent so much on a technology that we don't feel the need to use to the maximum.

Personally, I'm not sold on VR, because honestly, we don't need even more synthetic stimulation in the world today. It all just seems like a dangerous path that everyone is all too happy to walk down for the sake of video games or whatever. That said, the idea of the medical uses of the technology is really interesting and something I could get behind. Still contemplating it though... this kind of advancement is scary imo

[DawnWolf]

Don't see true five senses VR happening... anywhere in the next couple hundred years.

 

Allow me to disillusion you guys :S. To put it simply, we'd need to first accurately understand what each electrical signal inside the brain does in correspondence to our senses (easier said than done), then we'd need to develop a method to read these signals via external hardware (also much easier said than done, especially when you consider impulses are sent all throughout the brain, meaning we'd not one hole, but an entire brain caps worth of tech), a method to block off the signals from our body (so we don't end up destroying everything while in VR), a method of safely regulating all of this, and finally a means by which we could actually get governments to support it without letting them abuse it for a matrixesque society

 

If you think any of this will be accomplished in the next thirty years you're high, need to shut your mouth, and take a neuroscience class because I can assure you it won't. If you think all of this can be completed in our lifetimes... highly unlikely. Research on how the brain communicates with our eyes and sense of sight has been going on longer than most of us here have been alive, and yet we still haven't gotten anywhere near a true understanding, nor replication. 

 

I mean think about it logically; those in the 1900s thought we'd be chilling in flying houses, rocking flying cars, teleporting to McDonalds, stopping by Mars to say whats up to uncle Jim, and have robotic maid girl #1 doing our laundry by the 21st century. But that's not the case now is it? Overestimating the ability for technology to evolve just based on how fast we started is naive at best, asinine at worst.

[Nosebleed]

Personally I believe the world will only achieve its ultimate goal when we can genetically produce catgirls for domestic ownership.

 

I also believe the VR thing won't happen in the next century either and saying it will in the next 20 years is ludacris.

 

If we could achieve that much knowledge about the human brain the last thing we'd use this knowledge for is the gaming industry, the medicine field needs it much more at the present time.

[Life]

Personally I believe the world will only achieve its ultimate goal when we can genetically produce catgirls for domestic ownership.

 

I also believe the VR thing won't happen in the next century either and saying it will in the next 20 years is ludacris.

 

If we could achieve that much knowledge about the human brain the last thing we'd use this knowledge for is the gaming industry, the medicine field needs it much more at the present time.

No matter how much we wish, the ethical issues would be too strong with this one.

[Xypers]

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Edited December 2, 2018 by Xypers

[Okami]

People who say that we won't be seeing a full VR in a next hundred years are underestimating both how advance science is already and value of VR. I don't know what else to say.

[zakobot]

What if you get stuck in the game and cannot log out and if you die in the game you die in reality?

[Xypers]

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Edited December 2, 2018 by Xypers

[SanadaShadow]

Well, this is all under the assumption that we will still be alive when this new Virtual Reality gadget will come out, and that it will be affordable. What you don't know is that this is technology from ages ago. 1995, to be exact. I bet none of you even remember the Virtual Boy. Why? Because it was the biggest console failure EVER released. It only had the colors red and black, controls were bad, and the games were few in number, mostly because NOBODY KNEW HOW TO CODE THE GAMES. Hell, Nintendo INTENTIONALLY made the codes more complicated, as they thought other companies might steal the product. And the prices were horrendous. It was $180 in the US, and it came without ANY games. You know that Wii, the one that comes with a complimentary Wii Sports? Yeah. You got Virtual Boy? NO GAMES FOR YOU UNTIL YOU HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO BUY SOME. Nintendo promised that Virtual Boy would "Totally immerse players into their own private universe." Yeah. And this technology is pretty similar, except it's now 3D and you can look up and down. While, yes, it IS going in the right direction, who's to say it won't turn out like a mashup of the Xbox Kinect and the Virtual Boy?

[Xypers]

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Edited December 2, 2018 by Xypers

[Blizzard884]

Stuff like the oculus rift have always been a step in the right direction and it can only go up from here.

It'd be nice if one day a device was built that would give you a full immersion into a virtual world. Meaning all your 5 senses are being reproduced inside the game, not just sight which is the one that's obviously being focused on right now.

Maybe one day.

Also was that first guy trying to see under her skirt?

Well yea when this day come to reality we all be probably 6ft under..... Hope our grandchildren will have a chance to play it proper VR