Fuwanovel's Battle of the Guilds!

[OriginalRen]

Edit: Please note that in the above post, I have added a section which instructs teams to create their starting deck of 11 cards. Please start doing this as soon as possible. Thanks everyone.

[Keaton]

Ivan when you see this pm me on fuwa so we can get in contact cause we on the same team

[Flutterz]

What's a "bye"?

Also I'm really tired right now so I can't quite put my finger on why, but it seems to me that halving the points for tsunderes puts them at a disadvantage. I might just be overthinking things though.

[Eclipsed]

It's not like I'm totally hyped for this or anything, but y'all are going down!

@Flutterz a "bye" is tournament mechanic where if there are an odd number of competitors at any stage of a single-elimination tournament, one player is excused from play and continues on if he had defeated his (nonexistent) opponent.
 

Edited September 22, 2014 by Eclipsed

[Ivan A.]

Points halved for the Tsundere Guild?

Sounds a bit unfair. Can't it be 60 or 70% of our points count?

 

A disadvantage is a disadvantage. But we have the superiority in numbers. Let's show everyone not to mess with the Tsundere Guild!!!

 

Yes, I'm super hyped about this!!! It can be helped, I'm competitive. It got worse since I started speedrunning in Sonic Generations. Like I care about your opinions on me. I swear upon the Name and Flag of the Guild of Tsunderes(Mondaiji-tachi reference), that I will fight with everything I got and by whatever mean necessary to win. 

[OriginalRen]

I understood pretty much all up till now true I still have a few questions.

 

- In beginning you said that each match will have 4 players but then you said that all players from same guild play together each match, so I didn't quite get that. is each match played by all people from 4 guilds or will there be multiple matches so that in each match 1 person from a guild plays that match as a representative of that guild witch changes for every match? Personally I think that a later option is a lot more fun.

 

- Why do all locations have only moe power? Or is it just coincidence and you have yet to make location cards with other powers (Friendship and cuteness)? 

 

- When will we start choosing characters for cards  and when do you plan for a game to begin?

 

- (additional questions for a first question) If it's a latter option is a correct one then how will we choose characters for cards? will we vote and every person from a guild will have a same characters/cards or will each person choose a characters for his cards and have a different ones? (I already asked you this but you misunderstood my question).

 

- (additional questions for a first question) If it's a latter option is a correct one will there be some kind of "global ranking" like guild of lolis scored #1 that many times #2 that many times.... or will each match be completely for it self?

 

- How muny matches do you plan there to be?

 

- after you played a card after 4 turn ends will cards you played go back to your hand or will there go to your pile deck (once that don't stay on the fild)? If they go to your pile deck then what happens with cards that stay in your hand after each 4 turn?

 

 

This looks like it will be a lot of fun.

 

1, 3, 4, 5. All of these questions are answered in the post regarding team and match setups.

 

2. It is mere coincidence, and I have yet to make cards for the other values.

 

6. After you have played a round (essentially meaning all 4 of your cards have been played), you draw 4 new cards from your deck to start the new round. All cards you used or obtained during the previous round get shuffled off to your discard pile. It is not until you use up all your cards in your hand that you are allowed to reshuffle your deck, however some location cards allow you to cheat this and shuffle your deck earlier as a special ability.

 

What's a "bye"?

Also I'm really tired right now so I can't quite put my finger on why, but it seems to me that halving the points for tsunderes puts them at a disadvantage. I might just be overthinking things though.

Points halved for the Tsundere Guild?

Sounds a bit unfair. Can't it be 60 or 70% of our points count?

 

A disadvantage is a disadvantage. But we have the superiority in numbers. Let's show everyone not to mess with the Tsundere Guild!!!

 

Yes, I'm super hyped about this!!! It can be helped, I'm competitive. It got worse since I started speedrunning in Sonic Generations. Like I care about your opinions on me. I swear upon the Name and Flag of the Guild of Tsunderes(Mondaiji-tachi reference), that I will fight with everything I got and by whatever mean necessary to win. 

 

As Eclipsed stated in his edited post, a "bye" is a tournament mechanic where an odd number of competitors are used. As a sort of reward for doing well, one team is excused from play and continues on during a round of the competition as if they if they had defeated their (nonexistent) opponent.

 

Also to clarify, the halving of points for the Guild of Tsunderes has nothing to do with individual matches; points are still awarded in full. The change in points only applies to the end of the competition when a guild winner has been announced.

 

For example:

 

Let's say Team #1 from the Guild of Chibis loses their 1st match, earning them a total of 27 points. Even though they lost, that 27 point total still counts toward their end score for the guild as a whole. Whatever the other Chibi team scores during the competition, whether they lose or win, also counts toward that final total. Since each guild has a total of 2 teams, and the Guild of Tsunderes has a total of 4, adding up the point totals for the Tsunderes would give them a huge advantage when determining the guild winner. As such, I am halving their points to make it fair, essentially meaning that their 4 teams are only earning half of their points for that final total.

 

Again, this does not affect individual matches.

[Flutterz]

I'll definitely crunch some numbers tomorrow. What are the scores usually like at the end of a match with 2 and with 3 players?

[OriginalRen]

I'll definitely crunch some numbers tomorrow. What are the scores usually like at the end of a match with 2 and with 3 players?

 

That depends on how you play the game and how you decide to earn cards. There is no average, because some people try to control locations for a large amount of points, while other people go for smaller amounts to screw over their opponents with easier cards. It depends how you play the game.

[Flutterz]

That depends on how you play the game and how you decide to earn cards. There is no average, because some people try to control locations for a large amount of points, while other people go for smaller amounts to screw over their opponents with easier cards. It depends how you play the game.

Sure, but no matter how you play you aren't going to get 50000 points, and I'm guessing you've played the game this is based on so you should have an idea of the kinds of scores that happen. I don't need anything super specific, even something like the highest score that can happen would probably more or less suffice.

[babiker]

Say, if I were to ask for the most similar game to what Ren is creating, what would it be? I can only think of solitaire...

[OriginalRen]

Sure, but no matter how you play you aren't going to get 50000 points, and I'm guessing you've played the game this is based on so you should have an idea of the kinds of scores that happen. I don't need anything super specific, even something like the highest score that can happen would probably more or less suffice.

 

I have changed it. The top 2 scores for the Tsunderes will count toward their final total, while the other 2 scores will be dropped. Honestly, I don't know why I didn't do that initially. Sorry. Please keep in mind that there are some balance rules I haven't tested yet while playing my solo games.

[OriginalRen]

Battle of the Guilds - Preview #6

 

Another preview. The opening post in this thread has links to all of the previews so far, as well as links to the rules and game round example video. Remember that all future updates and previews will be posted there before the game begins, so check back there often in case you miss a post.

 

Relics:

 

 

Here are some examples of relics you may encounter in your quest to control Fuwanovel:

 

 

Relic cards represent valuable artifacts hidden on Fuwanovel. These precious items can often sway an important individual to join a guild's cause.

 

A relic card can be used to bribe a freelance agent. A relic can only be played on a team's agent who is already assigned to the same district as an agent stake card. If an agent is facedown, it is then turned faceup. The financial value of the relic is added to the agent's power value that matches the main power value of the stake card (the numbered displayed in the golden circle):

• If the total is higher than or equal to the freelance agent card's financial value, the stake card is immediately won. The relic and all other cards assigned to that district are placed in the discard pile, and a new stake card is turned faceup in that district
• If the total is less than the freelance agent card's financial value, nothing happens. The relic and all cards assigned to that district remain there and can be combined with another relic or agent on a future turn to bribe a freelance agent card

 

Special Cases:

• It is not possible to bribe a relic or a location card
• It is possible to use a relic with multiple agents at the same district. The total value of the bribe is calculated by adding together the agents' matching power values and the relic's financial value
• If the financial value on a freelance agent card shows a "-" sign, that freelance agent cannot be bribed

[j2.dless]

Well, I think I'll just cheer on the team loli since I still can't understand the game play. I'll just step back first and watch until I can have a grasp of the gameplay. But if you loli members need assistance, I will gladly help you... XD

[crunchytaco]

This probably isn't as complicated as I think it is. It's just that the answers are scattered throughout the thread. It'd be nice if an organized person could help compile it into a nice pdf. 

[arakura]

Choosing the top two teams of tsunseres for points actually gives them a slight advantage. It'd be more balancedbalance if Ren choose the middle two, but that'd be no challenge for us! (The smack talk comes out, hehe)

It's like if you had fifty teams, then choosing the top two would almost surely lead to your victory. Except you have four and we have two

[Flutterz]

I have changed it. The top 2 scores for the Tsunderes will count toward their final total, while the other 2 scores will be dropped. Honestly, I don't know why I didn't do that initially. Sorry. Please keep in mind that there are some balance rules I haven't tested yet while playing my solo games.

If anything, this is more obviously unbalanced. If any other team has a game where they get no points they're essentially screwed, but Tsunderes would just get that score dropped.

Also do the scores from every match count? So the team that gets the bye during the first round will only have 2 games' worth of points while the other two teams that get to the final would have 3 games' worth of points?

That's why I'm offering to do the math, because you won't figure out if stuff like this is balanced without running some tests, but you seem to be adamantly opposed to it for whatever reason.

 

 

Say, if I were to ask for the most similar game to what Ren is creating, what would it be? I can only think of solitaire...

http://www.alderac.com/arcana-rules.pdf

[OriginalRen]

For those of you complaining about balance issues, please understand that the added totals will only count toward the best scores you earn. If for example the Chibi guild wins all 3 rounds with 27, 34, and 36 points respectively, they don't get all of those points added to their final score. Only the highest score is added, making 36 their point total.

 

If you don't get a lot of points, well, don't suck and lose the 1st round of the game, it's that simple. Instead of worrying about a point total issue, start getting to know your teammates and work on forming a deck of cards with them.

[babiker]

About that deck of cards Ren... How exactly do we form it? Are you gonna give is options, do we just decide numbers or names or characters or what exactly?

[Ivan A.]

About that deck of cards Ren... How exactly do we form it? Are you gonna give is options, do we just decide numbers or names or characters or what exactly?

 

Read the Team/Match announcement(go up)

 

My question is characters from where, Manga, Anime, VN?Just One? All of them? Females Only?

[OriginalRen]

Read the Team/Match announcement(go up)

My question is characters from where, Manga, Anime, VN?Just One? All of them? Females Only?

Your team's agents can be any character you would like them to be. Try to stick to your team's theme if possible though; it would be odd to choose a loli for the senpai guild (unless of course the loli is a senpai).

[Flutterz]

During the first round, can two teams from the same guild end up against each other?

[OriginalRen]

During the first round, can two teams from the same guild end up against each other?

For the 1st round, no, however it may be possible that the team matchups are the same. For example, the Guild of Chibis may face the Guild of Senpais in both matchups, however the Chibis will never face the Chibis, and so on and so forth.

[Eclipsed]

Quick clarity question(s) regarding the choose 11 cards (9 agents, 1 location, 1 relic)

• Are we just choosing whatever random character/location/relic we can think of and sending you the images(720 pixels in height minimum) so you can create the cards + stats?
• Is each TEAM (not guild) making their own deck? 
   

[Flutterz]

One more thing, if by some amazing stroke of luck 3 or 4 of the tsundere teams make it to the second round, can they randomly end up playing a match where all 3 teams are tsunderes or will you prevent that?

[Flutterz]

I wrote a small program that simulates a full "tournament" based on your rules because apparently I have nothing better to do. Every team's score at the end of a match is simply a random number between 0 and 60 and I had it run 10000 trials at a time. Here are the results:

 

(note that by a guild winning a tournament I mean that a team that was part of that guild won the tournament and by a guild being the best I mean that it won the points tally)

If you divide the tsunderes' score by 2:

Team Chibi1 won 678 times.

Team Chibi2 won 670 times.

Team Kuudere1 won 725 times.

Team Kuudere2 won 647 times.

Team Loli1 won 712 times.

Team Loli2 won 684 times.

Team Trap1 won 724 times.

Team Trap2 won 741 times.

Team Senpai1 won 705 times.

Team Senpai2 won 726 times.

Team Tsundere1 won 760 times.

Team Tsundere2 won 750 times.

Team Tsundere3 won 749 times.

Team Tsundere4 won 729 times.

 

Chibi guild won 1348 times.

Kuudere guild won 1372 times.

Loli guild won 1396 times.

Trap guild won 1465 times.

Senpai guild won 1431 times.

Tsundere guild won 2988 times.

 

Chibi guild was the best 1701 times.

Kuudere guild was the best 1806 times.

Loli guild was the best 1727 times.

Trap guild was the best 1766 times.

Senpai guild was the best 1822 times.

Tsundere guild was the best 1178 times.

 

If you take the tsunderes' 2 best scores:

Team Chibi1 won 684 times.

Team Chibi2 won 734 times.

Team Kuudere1 won 744 times.

Team Kuudere2 won 721 times.

Team Loli1 won 683 times.

Team Loli2 won 734 times.

Team Trap1 won 685 times.

Team Trap2 won 742 times.

Team Senpai1 won 679 times.

Team Senpai2 won 735 times.

Team Tsundere1 won 726 times.

Team Tsundere2 won 731 times.

Team Tsundere3 won 748 times.

Team Tsundere4 won 654 times.

 

Chibi guild won 1418 times.

Kuudere guild won 1465 times.

Loli guild won 1417 times.

Trap guild won 1427 times.

Senpai guild won 1414 times.

Tsundere guild won 2859 times.

 

Chibi guild was the best 1145 times.

Kuudere guild was the best 1172 times.

Loli guild was the best 1120 times.

Trap guild was the best 1110 times.

Senpai guild was the best 1127 times.

Tsundere guild was the best 4326 times.

 

The tsundere teams seem to individually win a tiny bit too many games so I'm going to go back and find out why that is, but the really obvious conclusions are that:

 - The tsundere guild wins about twice as many tournaments as any other team which is predictable, but since you're only crowning the team that wins and not the guild that doesn't matter too much

 - If you divide the tsunderes' score by 2 they win about 11% of the time while all the other teams win 18% of the time, so I was right about them being at a disadvantage in that case

 - If you pick the tsunderes' 2 best scores they win about 43% of the time while all the other teams win 11% of the time, so as arakura and I pointed out that gives them a HUGE advantage