Fuwa? What happened?

[Yuuko]

if there is anything different now, it's that there are no lolis and no steve as much as before

I cri evrytiem ;_;

[madvanced]

So people are speaking for the entire female population of Fuwa even when they don't fall into that category now, huh?

 

When I signed up for a forum that was centered around eroge, I knew what I was getting into. I knew that I was going to be in the minority, but you know what? I didn't really care. I found a place where I could talk freely about these things, and as a result, I've never felt the need to censor my thoughts when posting here. And you know what? I have never once felt "discriminated against" or whatever else some people are calling it now. I've never felt like I've been treated differently because I'm a woman. Ever. I've never once been asked why I only play games aimed at men when I could be playing games aimed at women. The fact that I obsess over female characters has never once been questioned. If these things had happened, and people were ridiculing me  for it, THEN I would be willing to call sexism. Someone singling me out for my gender would be sexism. Threads about how attractive butts are may seem immature to some, but it's not offensive. There's definitely a fine line between the two, in my opinion, and I genuinely don't believe that Fuwa crosses it. Note that this is just one person in a group of many, but as part of the group involved in this particular issue, I think it's worth mentioning.

 

In terms of inside joke threads? Yeah, I see where people are coming from on that. As someone who is more content to sit on the outside of things sometimes, I do think the amount of topics that are aimed only at a select group of people is a bit unfair. That is one point I will agree on.

 

But honestly, the site really doesn't seem THAT different from when I joined in 2013. There's always been spam, there's always been meaningful discussion, and there's always been everything in between. It would be boring if we only had discussion, and it would be irritating if we only had spam. But the two CAN coexist, and that's one of the things I love about this place. 

I cannot make most of this argument because I am a male not a female, but I was kind of trying to make a point akin to this. So thank you for doing it in a better way than me.

[Darklord Rooke]

On another note, yes I know what is to live in a community, 

 

 

Gooooood. Because a community is run using a set of values sometimes imposed over your own. They’re called laws. If you live in a community you should be familiar with the concept. If you call your community a dictatorship, you’ll just be laughed at. By people like me.

 

 

But my big point is that you are taking a joke and putting out of context as something serious. All communities will have their fair share of immature(or of lesser level if you want to classify them as such) jokes, expecting anything related to that is either not knowing what human interaction is or just the nature of a control freak(note: I'm not calling anyone as such, before anyone tries to tear this down).

 

So kind of you, so kindly displaying your ignorance of sexual harassment law like that.

 

what is not to say that it is not offensive to someone? I digress though.

 

And if you were actually half-way knowledgeable concerning sexual harassment laws, you'll know why this is an application of half the principle.

 

Also no, that is not in any way, shape, or form the strawman fallacy. Because in terms of the actual meaning what I'm saying is right, it's just that the ethical views on it may vary.

 

Actually it's the very definition of a strawman fallacy seeing as you have attributed a false position to me. Keep protesting though, it's fairly amusing

[Lewycool]

Is it only me or the video that's been mentioned here and made all that ruckus was actually not offending and not sexist in any way? (if it was offending to anyone , it was hestia : < )

 

Stop trying to pin the crime of sexism on that video and that thread, it's like saying that things like Isis-chan on youtube are offending to muslims.

 

[Darklord Rooke]

Well Rooke, sorry but i also disagree with you, you're being extreme, my view is that i'm okay with sexist jokes as long as it's well usen and that it don't become the standard rule.

But your view of Fuwa scares me, i don't want a political correct forum with a big brother.

[hsmsful]

Can you please give up with this whole "Video" thing. I really don't have a clue what this video is. This thread isn't and will never be about ren. To be honest I don't even read his threads. I've said this time and time again, its not about ren. Saying this is kind of boring now :/

[babiker]

I feel like a million people are arguing a million different things at once. We're honestly not getting anywhere. I highly suggest the people with complaints and things to say open up specific topics about what they think is exactly wrong, otherwise we're just going to continue having this "It's Ren's video! No, it's those troll threads! No, It's those lazy mods!" Forever.

 

And I do request that this thread be locked if the aforementioned is to come to pass. Since this place has no use anymore.

[Darklord Rooke]

then why the hell are we discussing sexism then?

Maybe I am ignorant and some posts came out of nowhere talking about women's body parts and then were mentioned by Rooke in various posts as an action of objectifying women. As far as I know only one post had anything to do with females in that day other than that video thread (aka oppai thread), heck in that week nothing had anything to do with females. So there are two cases:I am ignorant to the posts here or u mean the other thread and if that's the case, it got deleted and the one who made the other thread said he would take responsibilty and apologized so my point still stands

[Lewycool]

then why the hell are we discussing sexism then?

Maybe I am ignorant and some posts came out of nowhere talking about women's body parts and then were mentioned by Rooke in various posts as an action of objectifying women. As far as I know only one post had anything to do with females in that day other than that video thread (aka oppai thread), heck in that week nothing had anything to do with females. So there are two cases:I am ignorant to the posts here or u mean the other thread and if that's the case, it got deleted and the one who made the other thread said he would take responsibilty and apologized so my point still stands

[sarayne]

Is it only me or the video that's been mentioned here and made all that ruckus was actually not offending and not sexist in any way? (if it was offending to anyone , it was hestia : < )

 

Stop trying to pin the crime of sexism on that video and that thread, it's like saying that things like Isis-chan on youtube are offending to muslims.

 

Even if you do see it to be offending, the guy in question deleted the video and apologized, isn't that enough? can't we lay the whole thing to rest already? This like a waste of time especially to some busy people like Tay.

 

And I will stress on this part since it's rather really important: Fuwa is the same as back then , don't make it seem as if you suddenly woke up from your long slumber and found fuwa very different, the only difference here is that the people who make these pointless threads are people who you are not accustomed with at all. And that doesn't mean that they should stop it. They totally have the right to make them as much as you had the right to back in the day. 

 

if there is anything different now, it's that there are no lolis and no steve as much as before

[madvanced]

Gooooood. Because a community is run using a set of values sometimes imposed over your own. They’re called laws. If you live in a community you should be familiar with the concept. If you call your community a dictatorship, you’ll just be laughed at. By people like me.

 

 

 

So kind of you, so kindly displaying your ignorance of sexual harassment law like that.

 

 

And if you were actually half-way knowledgeable concerning sexual harassment laws, you'll know why this is an application of half the principle.

 

 

Actually it's the very definition of a strawman fallacy seeing as you have attributed a false position to me. Keep protesting though, it's fairly amusing

[Snowtsuku]

I can't speak for what's happening today. However, even way back fuwa has its share of spam and chatters.

The difference imho is that way back, there are only two sub communities (IRC and Steve TS). As such, the context of these thread are often understood by the forum. Less sub communities and less members means that around 40-50% will get what you mean.

Compare it today where we have lots of sub communities and more members. Sometimes I read a thread without knowing what it is even referring to

[Chewy]

BUT if we don't try to tie in this video-gate with how the new people are ruining the forums what will we have to complain about???!!!? Seriously tho almost every forum/game/whatever I have ever seen goes through this. People really need to learn to take off the red nostalgia glasses and see that its no worse now than 2 years ago.

My very initial point

[Chewy]

I can't speak for what's happening today. However, even way back fuwa has its share of spam and chatters.

The difference imho is that way back, there are only two sub communities (IRC and Steve TS). As such, the context of these thread are often understood by the forum. Less sub communities and less members means that around 40-50% will get what you mean.

Compare it today where we have lots of sub communities and more members. Sometimes I read a thread without knowing what it is even referring to.

Yes and in the new rules, it is stated that we keep injokes and other groups out of Fuwa but thats almost impossible. It's bound to end up there 

[Darklord Rooke]

I just said that in my opinion the fact that you didn't want anything that you considered as trash is discrimination, if you want to interpreted as something falsely attributed to you, that's just how it is.

 

 

1 - Once again that's a strawman. I consider spammy posts trash, and yet I made a suggestion to Tay to create a lounge where people could get to know each other (I think... it was a long time ago,) and also suggested the posts in the Chatter forum be counted in people's post counts. This is me being considerate to other people's feelings. There are posts I decide go far, I label such things "retarded" not trash.

[Lewycool]

I would like to ask people stop trolling the discussion. This is a serious topic. It  isn't humorous.

[hsmsful]

I blame the mods personally, and this is the reason why:

 

Every time a single post or thread crosses the line, the mods dig their heels in until a whole big fricken deal is made out of it. They refuse to close things because it's fun, and then we get into a big argument about it. If they'd be willing to deal with the few posts which get out of line, without making a big ruckus about it, then this sort of blow-up wouldn't happen.

 

3 threads were closed, and Nosebleed mentioned it was because people couldn't take a joke. So yeah, mod attitudes not helping here.

  

The threads have been hidden.

 

Can I remind people to calm down. You're getting too angry. This is a discussion.

Ok then first off u shouldn't have mentioned sexism since it is clearly not your point here. I do know the three hidden/closed posts and if u want I can even say their names which for some reason seems to be a taboo in the discussion. You here are just getting off topic.

I suggest dropping all the ongoing conversations here and if u have a problem, come outright and say it. Do you want old fuwa? This is the same as old fuwa except for the small things I mentioned. Do you want there to be a rule that anything thay harms morals aka is offensive shouldn't be posted? Then the mods said they will resolve this. Finally do you want the pointless threads to vanish? Then just ask tay to remove the coc since yeah if u haven't already guessed it, this is a board for pointledd threads.

I agree with babi, this should be locked since we are going nowhere.

[Darklord Rooke]

Lewy wants old Fuwa I don't. 

 

Tay asked Lewy to expand on a point he made, he expanded on that point through me. Others then butted into the conversation. To be perfectly frank HSM, it's all of you which have hijacked the thread. It was a post aimed at Tay, as Tay's was aimed at Lewy.

[AmamiRiku]

I agree with Hsm, we should probably drop everything and restart

Maybe that'll help people calm down a bit, also, tone it down a bit with the racism and sexism on fuwa

[Chewy]

Ok then first off u shouldn't have mentioned sexism since it is clearly not your point here. I do know the three hidden/closed posts and if u want I can even say their names which for some reason seems to be a taboo in the discussion. You here are just getting off topic.

I suggest dropping all the ongoing conversations here and if u have a problem, come outright and say it. Do you want old fuwa? This is the same as old fuwa except for the small things I mentioned. Do you want there to be a rule that anything thay harms morals aka is offensive shouldn't be posted? Then the mods said they will resolve this. Finally do you want the pointless threads to vanish? Then just ask tay to remove the coc since yeah if u haven't already guessed it, this is a board for pointledd threads.

I agree with babi, this should be locked since we are going nowhere.

Very fair point. The coc was made to be pointless. That's why there isnt a need for all seriousness that nosebleed is now introducing. I mean, old fuwa had the Majikoi translation project aka unlimited chat works. Why didn't anyone remove that? WHY hunt down threads now?

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Well, if lewy gets his opinions out, no one else can just because we are newer members than him?

[hsmsful]

And I guess that should end every discussion here right now. Heck on every topic that was mentioned here, everyone said and made his opinion

Tay will resolve this with Lewy hopefully. Again zi suggest locking the thread.And I didn't mean to butt in or hijack this thread, all I wanted is to end these pointless continuous posts by all members about sexism. And if doing that was wrong, I sincerely apologize.

[Darklord Rooke]

You did nothing wrong/worth apologising for. I did warn people a few days ago that I injured my back and was sore and grumpy. Eh, this can be merry little present for Tay, I think I heard him mentioning the other day that he didn't have nearly enough clean-up work to do and would dearly like some more.

[rainsismyfav]

Honestly. this is the first time I've seen people speak up about sexism/racism. I don't know whether people have been voicing their concerns through PMs, but publicly this is a first I personally see (or maybe I just don't lurk enough). If people have been having problems with some of the users content, the issue should have been brought up, the 2nd or 3rd time it occurs, and should have been dealt with.

 

To make this place better regarding sexism, I urge females to voice out any concerns the moment they see it. You can pm a friend/admin, etc, but make sure your voices are heard. In general, I think it might be a good idea to have a feedback admin (or system), someone who takes in all claims of inappropriate content and reports them to the rest of the mods.

[LinovaA]

Oh god... you guys are STILL arguing? xD

 

You know.. I was typing up a response to everything you guys are saying... but I said "fuck that" because nobody is willing to listen to anyone here, and this thread is just going to continue with no actual understanding between people. One of the basic rules of a rational discussion is that all parties involved have to realize that they are fallible... and clearly nobody thinks that here.

 

Then again, this is the internet.. so it is a little too much to expect for people to ever have a proper debate over anything.

That is why you get discussions like this, where people just say the same things over and over again making no progress whatsoever.

 

 

Somebody... please... just make a group PM for all the people that are ACTUALLY involved.

[Eclipsed]

Timeline of the Fuwa "Sexist & Community Scandal of '15" to be entered in the Gospel of Fuwa sometime in the future.

1. Glory of Female Rears thread created -> lots of spammy comments of peoples' sexual bodily preferences of females.

2. Male Genital thread created for 'equality' -> lots of spammy comments of peoples' sexual bodily preferences of males.

3. Man or Female Boobs thread created -> lots of spammy comments of peoples' breast preferences of males & females.

 

???

 

4. Community outrage sparks at the questionable existence of these threads.

5. On the moderator side, some wanted to gank these threads ASAP, but some thought they were fine since they were in Chatter.

6. Community outrage escalates rapidly.

7. Threads ended up being locked under the basis of 'taking jokes too far'; eventually deleted.

8. Temporary Coliseum of Chatter rules drafted.

 

???

 

9. What Happened to Fuwa thread created; claims to be unrelated to be as a result of the above.

10. Apologetic videos & threads created as a result of the above

11. Discussions about old vs. new community, the state of the Leadership Council (LC), sexism.

???
 

12. Tay addresses Lewy's concerns.

13. Rooke follows up addressing Lewy's concerns.
14. Opposers call Rooke out on some of his points (ie. Forum becoming a home for all; Forum management dictatorship)

15. Rooke two man armies all of his opposition with ex-GM Think Tank Taskforce Rangers Division, Tiagofvarela.
 

???

16. And here we are on this fateful day of Fuwanovel.

 

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Btw y'all should read Princess Evangile