Muv Luv: A Pretty Sweet Visual Novel Series Kickstarter [MILLION DOLLAR BABY]

[WinterfuryZX]

He says her tits are not worth being touched because they are hers, I'm afraid that is not a logical argument LOL, that's why that parts always confused me.

The new edit makes things a little less akward...

[Mkilbride]

It's because the two characters have history. He's implying that anyone who knew her, Sumika, would not want to touch them, because of who she is.

[WinterfuryZX]

and that's precisely why the new translation is better.

[Darklord Rooke]

I should also point out that in almost every line Decay posted, Degica makes things a touch more specific. Moved -> squeezed, attack brain -> memory loss, beyond control -> reflex. And of course, the boob line.

Different things are implied in Japanese compared with English, and English is probably a lot more specific in general. What an author implies and what they don’t is incredibly important. You have to sort that out or your translation reads God damn unnaturally, like in the fan-TL above.

[Dergonu]

5 hours ago, sanahtlig said:

I'm still wondering where the 18+ patch is.

Me too... I'm personally waiting for it to come out before I buy this. Hopefully it won't take too long.

[sanahtlig]

5 hours ago, Rooke said:

I should also point out that in almost every line Decay posted, Degica makes things a touch more specific. Moved -> squeezed, attack brain -> memory loss, beyond control -> reflex. And of course, the boob line.

Different things are implied in Japanese compared with English, and English is probably a lot more specific in general. What an author implies and what they don’t is incredibly important. You have to sort that out or your translation reads God damn unnaturally, like in the fan-TL above.

This.  Disambiguating and adding precision is absolutely necessary when translating Japanese to English.

I didn't tend to note issues like this in my coverage of the Seinarukana TL, but Decay is absolutely right that the new script in that scene reads much more fluidly.  I don't know whether to praise the translator or the editor, but they did a fantastic job polishing it up.  The earlier script sample demonstrates why I [used to] find reading moege in English such a chore.  The dialogue is just so stilted and awkward.

[Movr]

10 hours ago, Dergonu said:

Me too... I'm personally waiting for it to come out before I buy this. Hopefully it won't take too long.

Oh man, can't you really resist the urge to fap to literally 2 cg for character ?

[Dergonu]

Just now, Movr said:

Oh man, can't you really resist the urge to fap to literally 2 cg for character ?

Heh, that is one way to word it I guess.

I personally just don't like games with censored / cut content, no matter how insignificant the actual cuts are. It's more of a principle really.

[Mkilbride]

I dunno Fuwa's stance on this, but people are selling their Kickstarter keys on eBay for 20$ - a significant, 15$ difference over Steam's. Seems alot of people bought the PS Vita version and it came with a Steam key they didn't want, hence this is happening:
 

A real steal @ 20$, I mean Muv Luv + Unlimited are selling for only 35$, while Key tried to go Clannad  for 50$, abit insulting on keys part...

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/122031118254?_trksid=p2060353.m2763.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

(Steam Gift)

 

Or

General search, lotta keys here: http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2047675.m570.l1313.TR8.TRC2.A0.H0.XMuv+Luv+Steam.TRS0&_nkw=Muv+Luv+Steam&_sacat=0

 

I tried to Best Offer the guy down, but biggest he'll take is 20$ flat, taking off 80 cents...meh. It's something.  There's nothing illegal about this by the way.  But I know that maybe Fuwa thinks it's shady, so if it is, just tell me and I'll remove the link / not mention it again.  As for how legit the seller is, I haven't bought Muv Luv from them, but I have bought another game before and got it pretty quick and had zero issues. It's not like G2A or Kinguin.

[WinterfuryZX]

10 available?

sounds like stolen keys to me

[Mkilbride]

I dunno about them, could be bought keys from people who wanted to sell their Steam keys fast. (Surprisingly a lot of these, on the Steam forums, there are many topics of people trying to offload the keys saying they only backed for the Vita version.) 

 

Though there are other actual keys available, with my secondary link, from non "Store" eBay sellers.  Those should be legit, and a great price.

[MFrost]

*sigh* I did say I was selling everything of mine from this Kickstarter, y'know. Just need to wait until the physical copy and things are shipped to me though.

Just shoot me a PM, can give you my eBay feedback also.

[Mkilbride]

2 hours ago, MFrost said:

*sigh* I did say I was selling everything of mine from this Kickstarter, y'know. Just need to wait until the physical copy and things are shipped to me though.

Just shoot me a PM, can give you my eBay feedback also.

 Depends, will you beat this guy I am trying to bargin with on eBay? He wants 17$ USD, trying to get it to 15.

 

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More stuff has been removed. I'm over on Steam forums, and people are doing side-by-side comparisons. In the new version, they've a ton of animations  / images, besides the H ones.

 

http://steamcommunity.com/app/449830/discussions/0/359543542245123458/

 

The user admits to being mistaken, after he looked at them side by side, but he kept comparing and found there are actually alot of effects missing.

[Fred the Barber]

Agreed with the assessment that that passage has noticeably improved vs. the original, although:

19 hours ago, Rooke said:

Degica gets bonus points for their use of 'psych', btw :3

"Psych" kinda sounds like an old person trying to remember what young people sound like to me

19 hours ago, Rooke said:

Also, nothing important is cropped out of that shot.

But you can't even tell that one girl is drooling anymore. This is vital information.

[MFrost]

2 hours ago, Mkilbride said:

 Depends, will you beat this guy I am trying to bargin with on eBay? He wants 17$ USD, trying to get it to 15.

 

Sure, if you're actually serious about it...the smiley at the end is misleading.

[Suzu Fanatic]

 

 

Both sides really just need to stop. There are no winners here.  (I'm obviously the exception - fite me )

[Mkilbride]

2 hours ago, MFrost said:

Sure, if you're actually serious about it...the smiley at the end is misleading.

Dunno how it's misleading, but this guy hasn't turned down my latest offer yet, but I'll be interested if he does.

[MFrost]

7 hours ago, Mkilbride said:

Dunno how it's misleading, but this guy hasn't turned down my latest offer yet, but I'll be interested if he does.

just let me know whenever then.
Same goes to anyone browsing this if they want to play Muv Luv on Steam and want a key for it, Mine's up for the buying.

[Darklord Rooke]

Steam reviews. A lot of them say: Extra is 'meh', unlimited is not much better, but PHWOAAAAAH was Alternative good. Now looking back on Extra, through nostalgia glasses and the need to justify playing it, I'll give it a 10/10 too.

Here's the thing, if book 3 of a series is fan-fricken-tastic, yet the first book sucked, don't review the first book saying 'it's awesome because it's necessary for book 3'. That's not a review, psychologists call that 'rationalisation'. 

[Mr Poltroon]

6 minutes ago, Rooke said:

Steam reviews. A lot of them say: Extra is 'meh', unlimited is not much better, but PHWOAAAAAH was Alternative good. Now looking back on Extra, through nostalgia glasses and the need to justify playing it, I'll give it a 10/10 too.

Here's the thing, if book 3 of a series is fan-fricken-tastic, yet the first book sucked, don't review the first book saying 'it's awesome because it's necessary for book 3'. That's not a review, psychologists call that 'rationalisation'. 

Then what if Book 3 was fantastic because of Book 1 and 2?

[Darklord Rooke]

16 minutes ago, Tiagofvarela said:

Then what if Book 3 was fantastic because of Book 1 and 2?

Ooooh, required dullness – absolutely the worst kind  

When people review the different parts of video games, whether they be ‘The Banner Saga’ or the many Telltale games, they don’t go back after it’s finished and score the 1st part a ‘10’ because it was ‘setting up’ the fantastic final part. Authors are sorta expected to make their ‘setting up’ parts a little engaging by themselves.

Now if you find Muv-Luv Extra good, that’s fine. But just because the last part needs the first part for maximum payoff doesn’t (by itself) mean the first part is any good.

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Extra: 6.5/10
Unlimited: 8/10
Alternative (not out yet): 10/10

However, after reading Alternative I felt like giving both Extra and Unlimited a 10/10 because of how ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ well they did at setting up the story and attaching you to the characters.

See this? That's not how the review process works xD

[Mr Poltroon]

Just now, Rooke said:

Ooooh, required dullness – absolutely the worst kind  

When people review the different parts of video games, whether they be ‘The Banner Saga’ or the many Telltale games, they don’t go back after it’s finished and score the 1st part a ‘10’ because it was ‘setting up’ the fantastic final part. Authors are sorta expected to make their ‘setting up’ parts a little engaging by themselves.

Now if you find Muv-Luv Extra good, that’s fine. But just because the last part needs the first part for maximum payoff doesn’t (by itself) mean the first part is any good.

See this? That's not how the review process works xD

Yeah, I already knew this would be your answer. Many people hold this viewpoint, including me. I've no time to waste with dullness in order to "eventually" reach alleged greatness.

Though personally I liked them both back when I read them. I'd sure I'd hate the translation now, though.

[RikiSanic]

It's funny you bring that up, Rooke, because after I finished Alternative I remember thinking to myself how much better it could've been if Extra and Unlimited were actually engaging and not just 50 hours of exposition for the next game. And it's not like Alternative magically got better, either; plenty of the failings of the earlier installments made it into Alternative, too (the awfully glacial pacing, for one).

People are free to think whatever they want obviously, but throwing out 10/10s so freely is weird to me. Imagine if creators had that mindset. How would you satisfy your creative vision if you weren't willing to identify your own mistakes and correct them? Maybe that's why so many visual novels don't seem to mind how much time they waste to get to the good stuff.

[Mr Poltroon]

19 minutes ago, RikiSanic said:

It's funny you bring that up, Rooke, because after I finished Alternative I remember thinking to myself how much better it could've been if Extra and Unlimited were actually engaging and not just 50 hours of exposition for the next game. And it's not like Alternative magically got better, either; plenty of the failings of the earlier installments made it into Alternative, too (the awfully glacial pacing, for one).

People are free to think whatever they want obviously, but throwing out 10/10s so freely is weird to me. Imagine if creators had that mindset. How would you satisfy your creative vision if you weren't willing to identify your own mistakes and correct them? Maybe that's why so many visual novels don't seem to mind how much time they waste to get to the good stuff.

People value 10/10s differently. I, for instance, use them to rate things completely subjectively, basing the rating entirely on my enjoyment. This can mean that abominations with terrible pace like CLANNAD, most of which I thought was average, can still get a 10/10 from me based entirely on how much I enjoyed the latter parts of it.
I'm sure there are others, however, who would try to examine the writing, the interface and many other aspects I couldn't give a rat's arse about.

To surmise, a 10/10's actual value and meaning varies from person to person. To me, it was an "incomparably enjoyable experience"; to you, I'd guess it's something like "it was flawless", and to others it could be something different.

[RikiSanic]

Oh, I definitely agree. If something is entertaining enough, I typically rate it higher than it possibly deserves. I just tend to look at 10/10s as something that only happens under the absolutely right conditions. If I really, really like something but hesitate for a second to call it perfect, then it might get a 9 or 8 instead. They are just numbers that only slightly indicate how someone feels, though, so different people will have different philosophies on how to use them.

I guess the main issue I have is with Rooke's example from that Steam review. Something doesn't become a 10 after a second viewing to me; it either is or it isn't. To call something perfect like that just seems so insincere. People should want more out of their "masterpieces", I guess is what I'm saying.