Mr Poltroon Posted August 28, 2014 Posted August 28, 2014 ...I don't expect content out of my bad endings, aren't bad endings supposed to be punishment for making the wrong choices? In which case, Sachi's the best one out of the lot. Quote
nohman Posted August 28, 2014 Posted August 28, 2014 ...I don't expect content out of my bad endings, aren't bad endings supposed to be punishment for making the wrong choices? In which case, Sachi's the best one out of the lot. Bad endings should add value to a visual novel. They can be exciting, excruciatingly sad, funny, horribly twisted -- or all of the above. Bad endings can be cathartic. Amane's for example: Tore me up, but at the same time I was grinning like an idiot at how badass and good of a death it was. Other examples of well executed bad endings would be almost the entirety of F/SN. Ehhhh...I didn't like a lot of things about her route, one of them being the post-drama boning that takes place in the shower. I mean, Yuuji lies to her, drugs her, and puts her in a position where she could possibly die (regardless of the safety measures he had in place), and she's all happy afterwards and jumps his bones? Even if it was for her own good, she should've been slightly mad at least, right? I don't entirely disagree with that. I found Sachi's weird as well. They just blew up their school and they immediately bone in front of its ruins. It was so absurd that it reached all the way around to being almost awesome. Quote
Mr Poltroon Posted August 28, 2014 Posted August 28, 2014 Bad endings should add value to a visual novel. They can be exciting, excruciatingly sad, funny, horribly twisted -- or all of the above. Bad endings can be cathartic. Amane's for example: Tore me up, but at the same time I was grinning like an idiot at how badass and good of a death it was. Other examples of well executed bad endings would be almost the entirety of F/SN. I believe bad ends should make you mad and try again. But I see that that is simply my personal opinion. Visual Novels are a different medium, I suppose, but I still think that a bad ending should be punishment for failing, not something you actively procure and read. Quote
nohman Posted August 28, 2014 Posted August 28, 2014 I believe bad ends should make you mad and try again. But I see that that is simply my personal opinion. Visual Novels are a different medium, I suppose, but I still think that a bad ending should be punishment for failing, not something you actively procure and read. Why not both? You can have powerful bad endings that make you regret your choice. The thing about bad ends working as a punishment is that you rarely see VNs (at least out of all the translated ones I've played) that sufficiently strikes a balance between an obvious bad end flag and one that's entirely obscure. I don't know if I've ever accidentally wandered into a bad end where I felt like it was entirely due to my poor choices. Quote
SanadaShadow Posted August 29, 2014 Posted August 29, 2014 I believe bad ends should make you mad and try again. But I see that that is simply my personal opinion. Visual Novels are a different medium, I suppose, but I still think that a bad ending should be punishment for failing, not something you actively procure and read. Well, I agree with you there, but it was a bit entertaining hunting out the endings and 100 percent-ing the game. For some reason I was obsessed with getting all the bad ends in Sekien No Inganock even though it's just one line of text and then death. Quote
Down Posted August 29, 2014 Posted August 29, 2014 Just finished Tsubaki's bad end...holy hell, that was dark. Ugh...definitely wasn't expecting something so long and twisted. Oh well, now I can get her good end. This is what I call a good bad end. The G-senjou type of bad end (especially Tsubaki's) is what I think would have been fitting for, say, Sachi's bad end in Grisaia that we were discussing earlier in the thread. A meaningful choice leading to a slow descent to hell. Quote
Down Posted August 29, 2014 Posted August 29, 2014 The only ones from Grisaia that really left a mark on me were Makina's and Amane's, and I still think that Tsubaki's bad end is darker than either one. Definitely. But Tsubaki's bad end is one of the 'best' I've seen out there, in my opinion it's the best in G-senjou. Although you'll see that the others aren't half bad either. Quote
nohman Posted August 29, 2014 Posted August 29, 2014 Just finished Tsubaki's bad end...holy hell, that was dark. Ugh...definitely wasn't expecting something so long and twisted. Oh well, now I can get her good end. I really need to go back and reread some of G-senjou. I don't remember Tsubaki's bad ending at all. The only bad end that ended up standing out in my head was Mizuha's. Quote
Accel Posted August 29, 2014 Posted August 29, 2014 I finished yumiko's route it was very good better than what i expected Maybe because i heard a lot of people say her route was the Weakest her flashback wasn't the best amane and makina was better but the rest of her route was better than makina the relationship between yuuji and yumiko was so beautiful she is the best girl her bad end didn't feel like bad end and her good end was beautiful i liked this beautiful cg so much next sachi's route Quote
Satsuki Posted August 29, 2014 Posted August 29, 2014 Started playing PRIMALxHEARTS It's Marmalade's VN, so I don't have any much expectation on the story, but oh well, let see if the comedy can keep me playing... Quote
SilverLi Posted August 29, 2014 Posted August 29, 2014 All this talk about Tsubaki. Damn I should pick up G-Senjou again. I actually stopped somewhere in her route. Quote
Rose Posted August 29, 2014 Posted August 29, 2014 Been a month since I finished Ayakashibito, time to get back to reading. I was planning on reading Comyu but it didn't interested me that much after one hour of reading, might leave it for later. I'm thinking about finally reading Fate/Stay Night or G-Senjou no Maou, not sure which though. Quote
Rose Posted August 29, 2014 Posted August 29, 2014 Those were actually REALLY helpful, straightforward and simple summaries. Helped me more than some reviews I've read, thanks. I'll go with Fate for now, see you guys in 649841656756 years. Quote
Rose Posted August 29, 2014 Posted August 29, 2014 Happy to help! Glad they weren't too random or anything. I can start to ramble occasionally if I talk about something I really like. Have fun with Nasu's h-scenes xD They're so bad they're hilarious. Seriously, if I remember correctly, one of the lines from one went "It felt so good I wanted to vomit". No joke. OOOOHHHHMMMYYYGGGOOOODDD. How the hell is this not a joke? Who allowed a trainee to do the h-scenes? Quote
Kenshin_sama Posted August 29, 2014 Posted August 29, 2014 Been a month since I finished Ayakashibito, time to get back to reading. I was planning on reading Comyu but it didn't interested me that much after one hour of reading, might leave it for later. I'm thinking about finally reading Fate/Stay Night or G-Senjou no Maou, not sure which though.I have to throw my recommendation to G-Senjou. Mostly because the Fate route can be a little tedious to read as FSN has an incredible amount of lore that is explained from excessive heaps of infodumping. I don't know if infodumping is something that bothers you or not, but I really dislike it. ^^ But once you've gotten to a certain point in UBW, it's a blast to read. It's easy to come to love Nasuverse once you've experienced most of the works involved in it.As someone who's currently finished Tsubaki's route and is currently in Kanon's, I'd say it's significantly easier to read. With the mind games, the plot setup, yakuza, and intrigue building, it's consistently engaging and has a likable character cast. The antagonist, Maou, strongly reminds me of The Riddler from Batman; he tests people with mind games for fun and seems to truly be evil, and he has a long, complicated plan about what he wants to happen.Oh man, it's been so long since I've watched Batman, and even more so since I've seen the Riddler. Didn't think to make the connection until you mentioned him. Edit: Oh okay. Just a word of warning, reading FSN is like training in the mountains. It's pretty long! In fact, it's the 2nd longest VN I've ever read with 1st being Rewrite. Quote
Kenshin_sama Posted August 29, 2014 Posted August 29, 2014 Haru is eccentric to the point of almost being trippy. This is one of my favorite lines from her: Haru's awesome! <3 10/10 Quote
Ayana Posted August 30, 2014 Posted August 30, 2014 Haru is eccentric to the point of almost being trippy. This is one of my favorite lines from her: Haru's awesome! <3 10/10 I know right?! I love everything about Haru, she's like the ideal character in my eyes (well, next to a certain someone with the same voice actress <-- Kawashima Rino). Speaking of which, her VA, to me, is the single most stand-out and noticeable VAs I ever hear from when it's in VNs or anything japanese related. G-Senjou, Kara no Shoujo, Ikikoi, Subarashiki Hibi, Natsukumo, many more, etc. as well as some anime. She always voices such amazing eccentric/stand-out characters, and thus it makes her voice just as noticeable. Especially to the point where I'm able to immediately tell it's her without reading a CV description. A definite favorite~ Quote
Flutterz Posted August 30, 2014 Posted August 30, 2014 Does anyone know the VA that voices Kanon? She has a pretty distinctive voice, so I'm pretty sure I've never heard anything she's in, aside from G-senjou. http://www.tenshi.org.uk/sdb/pages/seiyuu/Koorogi_Satomi.html Apparently she voiced someone in Yukizakura and Ushio from the Clannad anime. Quote
Roach Posted August 30, 2014 Posted August 30, 2014 Does anyone know the VA that voices Kanon? She has a pretty distinctive voice, so I'm pretty sure I've never heard anything she's in, aside from G-senjou. After some research, I've found out that her name is Koorogi Satomi, she used the name Kawai Haruka for G-senjou though. Edit: Ninja, ninja everywhere. I know right?! I love everything about Haru, she's like the ideal character in my eyes (well, next to a certain someone with the same voice actress <-- Kawashima Rino). Speaking of which, her VA, to me, is the single most stand-out and noticeable VAs I ever hear from when it's in VNs or anything japanese related. G-Senjou, Kara no Shoujo, Ikikoi, Subarashiki Hibi, Natsukumo, many more, etc. as well as some anime. She always voices such amazing eccentric/stand-out characters, and thus it makes her voice just as noticeable. Especially to the point where I'm able to immediately tell it's her without reading a CV description. A definite favorite~ What? Is it Yukari? It is Yukari right? Now that I think about it, their voice is kinda similar. Edit: I know it! It's Yukari afterall! Edit 2: It looks like she voiced Orihime too. Now it feels weird Quote
Flutterz Posted August 30, 2014 Posted August 30, 2014 And Nina Tucker from the first adaptation of Fullmetal Alchemist. Right in the feels... Haven't seen/read the rest of the stuff she's in. Quote
Funyarinpa Posted August 30, 2014 Posted August 30, 2014 I got Super Street Fighter 4 Arcade Edition for $10 a few days ago. A steal, though it appears I suck at this game because the analog stick of my gamepad hates me. Quote
BookwormOtaku Posted August 30, 2014 Posted August 30, 2014 http://www.tenshi.org.uk/sdb/pages/seiyuu/Koorogi_Satomi.html Apparently she voiced someone in Yukizakura and Ushio from the Clannad anime. I wonder if I'm the only one here who saw Houshin Engi: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26Ej9vE3HBk Quote
Flutterz Posted August 30, 2014 Posted August 30, 2014 Me either. I've only seen dubs of Pokemon, so I definitely haven't heard her in from that. Just finished Tsubaki's route. Cried a little bit at the end, since dem feels always get me. I honestly thought Tsubaki's character development was better than the route itself. I meant including FMA. I don't remember many details from G-Senjou, but I definitely liked Tsubaki. That bad end though... Quote
Flutterz Posted August 30, 2014 Posted August 30, 2014 Wait, you haven't seen FMA? *gasp* Yeah...it was twisted as hell, but I can't deny that it was one of the best bad ends I've read so far, if not the best. Really just takes your heart and stomps on it. I don't watch your silly animus. While F/SN styled bad ends where you make a wrong choice and die 3 lines later are fun, they really don't have the impact of a good bad end. Quote
Flutterz Posted August 30, 2014 Posted August 30, 2014 I thought the F/sn deaths were hilarious. Pick a wrong choice by accident and you get to see Shirou die painfully, sometimes for no good reason! But yeah, I'm more of a fan of the meaningful bad ends, like Tsubaki's, Amane's and Natsumi's. If they don't make me feel like a horrible person, then the end isn't a true bad end. No, I'm serious... I only watch the good ones. Now that I think about it, I can't recall very many games with meaningful bad ends... Quote
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