The_Count Posted March 6, 2015 Posted March 6, 2015 Just finished playing Grisaia no Kajitsu. One of my first VNs, very much enjoyed it. Can't wait for an english translation of the sequels. Favourite route was Michiru's by far. Quote
Abyssal Monkey Posted March 6, 2015 Posted March 6, 2015 Just finished playing Grisaia no Kajitsu. One of my first VNs, very much enjoyed it. Can't wait for an english translation of the sequels. Favourite route was Michiru's by far. Every time I see someone mention Grisaia now, I can't help but think "Yup, they torrented it", and it's going to stay that way until Sekai releases their localization. I'm an awful person, so I still haven't deleted my copy I got almost exactly a year ago. My favorite route was Machina's due to the information we get on Yuuji and the action. Her good end made me squeal in giddiness because of what happened. She basically got every single last one of her unreasonable dreams come true. Currently doing Majikoi which I stopped reading like 8 months ago and am pissed that there is no Chris after story. Can't wait for full patch, seeing all the non main route characters sounds entertaining, more so than my experience of at least Mayuzumi's route. Quote
Abyssal Monkey Posted March 6, 2015 Posted March 6, 2015 Just finished Momoyo's route in Majikoi and I'm irritated at how they shove all the H-Scenes into the after story. I mean, it's fitting, but there is no story context to them. Just one after another... Chris route still best route so far. Upon further thought, her entire behavior in the after route is just silly considering her character. She also contradicted herself way too quickly with how her attitude changed towards certain acts. What happened to her character which was meant to at least be a little stubborn and strong. Quote
Kurisu-Chan Posted March 6, 2015 Posted March 6, 2015 While I agree with you that there's certainly no need to watch the anime before playing the VN, I completely disagree with the assessment of the anime as "average at best". It's a 10/10, for me, of which I really have very few compared to the number of anime I've watched. I haven't played the VN yet. Perhaps you played the VN first and watched the anime second? If so, it's almost certainly going to make the experience of the anime worse for you (similar to how I expect my enjoyment of the VN is going to be limited by having already seen the anime). Steins;Gate the anime is really slow for the first half, but once things start happening, it's easily one of the two most compelling shows I've ever watched (maybe edged out by Madoka; maybe). Vague effort at staying on topic: playing Hanako's route in Katawa Shoujo (the last one left). It's looking like it may become my new favorite Katawa Shoujo route, though I frankly am looking forward to being done with this VN at this point and moving onto something new... Well, the first half of the anime is slow because it's a truthful adaptation of the first half of the original VN, and given how the first half of the VN is, you had to expect such a "slow" first half, of course, after... The VN is excellent, the anime is excellent, if you watch the anime and love the story, read the VN, if you love the VN, watch the anime. Quote
Decay Posted March 6, 2015 Posted March 6, 2015 Maybe i expressed myself wrong, it's average if you compare it with the vn, as an anime yeah it's really good but then again it's based on the vn so it's hard to not do it, and yeah i played the vn first. I can say for sure that it really follows the novel more than any other anime based on a vn, like for example clannad that it was just a pain to watch..., ef or even grisaia (which wanst that bad) Quote
XReaper Posted March 6, 2015 Posted March 6, 2015 please dont mention grisaia...already crying inside when thinking bout the sequels they gonna make Quote
Vokoca Posted March 6, 2015 Posted March 6, 2015 As someone who has read Grisaia, I honestly found the anime quite enjoyable. Sure, it was rushed beyond belief, but you can get over that if you know the story already - what's more important is that the anime actually offers the cannon and final rendition of the prologue - Kajitsu - that was retconned to hell and back by the sequels, so there's value in that at the very least. Still, I wouldn't recommend it to anyone but fans of the VN, and carefully at that... It's not a great adaptation, but it's definitely not the worst one either. Quote
Deep Blue Posted March 6, 2015 Posted March 6, 2015 I also disagree with this on multiple levels. The S;G anime has some upsides in comparison to the VN. Some of the content it removed diminished the development of some of the side characters, true, but some of the content removed was unnecessary or even kind of bad, imo (the Nae stuff). Also, the main character's voice acting was, while good in the VN, even better in the anime. And I'll disagree with Clannad, whose adaptation is generally regarded as the best VN to anime adaptation ever made and might be better than the source material. Grisaia on the other hand, was a travesty. For me it was quite faithful, you can't expect to put a whole vn almost 60 hours into a few episodes, it's just not possible. Clannad was a pain to watch, they practically changed the whole plot, yeah and lets forget the movie... Why clannad is bad adaptation? (not a bad anime but a bad adaptation not an average one like steins;gate, yes i didnt say it was a good one i said it was an avarage one, again adaptation of the vn.) Tomoya never calls sunohara his friend (they are but they got this very rare friendship) in the anime they kinda forgot about this very important fact completely... and in the sunohara's route he says he doesn't care if he goes out with his sister...that didn't happen in the vn, he clearly says that he didn't go after her because he knew tomoya was taking care of her not GOING OUT (and fucking her, yes he clearly state this), there is big difference between those two and changing it you change the personality of sunohara completely... Tomoya doesn't have the same personalty, he just doesn't, he seems like a different guy in the anime. Kotomi's route didn't make sense because it just couldn't, you can fit a friendship where you should have a love story, but they forced everything and in the end it was nonsense. Yukine's route was imo the worst of all of them, in the end tomoya was fist fighting four hours with the other dude? WTF was that xD. They cut Kappei story. Botan..is a male not a female (yeah this isn't a big deal but it was for me) And i can go on and on with Fuko, Nagisa etc etc... I'm not talking about little things like they did in Steins;gate, cutting off some things here and there, they butchered the whole plot. The only good thing about the anime?The Illusionary World story was the only positive thing in the whole anime. I think I'm one of the very few people who actually didn't like the anime but then again it's just my opinion and I don't own the truth. Quote
Desert35 Posted March 6, 2015 Posted March 6, 2015 Finished Fate route yesterday and beginning Unlimited Blade works now!! Quote
B0X0R Posted March 6, 2015 Posted March 6, 2015 Currently playing Wanko. Oh my god! I had no idea what I was getting myself into... Quote
douggle Posted March 6, 2015 Posted March 6, 2015 I recently started playing Period, about 2 hours in pretty enjoyable thus far. Quote
Deep Blue Posted March 6, 2015 Posted March 6, 2015 Still playing cho dengeki stryker so far seems good a bit childish maybe.. Quote
Funyarinpa Posted March 6, 2015 Posted March 6, 2015 I've determined that I've enjoyed Grisaia's common route but Amane's route is just boring. I don't have time for this, I'd rather play more obscure nukige instead. Quote
Down Posted March 6, 2015 Posted March 6, 2015 Amane's route contains pretty much the best part of all of Grisaia's routes, after all the porn. You should hold on, you won't get much more than this after the common route to be honest. Quote
douggle Posted March 6, 2015 Posted March 6, 2015 You are probably still on all the hscenes, once Angelic Howl kicks in that is nothing short of amazing Quote
Deep Blue Posted March 6, 2015 Posted March 6, 2015 Michiru's route was better imo but yeah Angelic Howl was fun to read not realistic at all but fun nevertheless. Quote
Down Posted March 6, 2015 Posted March 6, 2015 Michiru's route was better imo but yeah Angelic Howl was fun to read not realistic at all but fun nevertheless. Grisaia as a whole is not realistic at all, anyway. Realism isn't really a good/interesting quality critera in my opinion. Abyssal Monkey 1 Quote
Deep Blue Posted March 6, 2015 Posted March 6, 2015 Grisaia as a whole is not realistic at all, anyway. Realism isn't really a good/interesting quality critera in my opinion. You are right with Grisia but it is weird because they went for realism in that particular part and it just didn't fit, again it was fun to read but it wasn't believable. Realism can be good, narcissu or Katawa shoujo are good examples but in general yeah I prefer some sci-fi theme or whatever you want to call the "no realism" thing into the novel. Quote
douggle Posted March 6, 2015 Posted March 6, 2015 Michiru's route was better imo but yeah Angelic Howl was fun to read not realistic at all but fun nevertheless. Michiru's route is literal autism, and much less realistic than Amane's route. A scenario like that CAN happen. Quote
Deep Blue Posted March 6, 2015 Posted March 6, 2015 Michiru's route is literal autism, and much less realistic than Amane's route. A scenario like that CAN happen. Her route(michiru's) was just fantasy and that's why it was ok, they've never tried to say yeah she has another girl living in her body and this can happen in real life, it was just her story and nothing more, at least that's the way i understand it.Amane's route can happen but the way everything went was really not realistic specially with Kazuki being a genius girl but not knowing what was going on or at least not acting like she should until the last second... or how everyone turned into cannibals without any explanations If you go for the bear grylls scenario try to do some research at least http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1972_Andes_flight_disaster. Quote
Decay Posted March 6, 2015 Posted March 6, 2015 I've determined that I've enjoyed Grisaia's common route but Amane's route is just boring. I don't have time for this, I'd rather play more obscure nukige instead. I honestly thought Amane's route had the best comedy in the game. It was absolutely ridiculous and hilarious. But it was the kind of comedy that I really like, the other routes are different. After the comical porn-heavy first third of the route, the game enters a flashback sequence that is fucking intense. For real. You should skip past the sex scenes and push through to that segment, it may change your mind about Grisaia. Quote
Abyssal Monkey Posted March 6, 2015 Posted March 6, 2015 Grisaia as a whole is not realistic at all, anyway. Realism isn't really a good/interesting quality critera in my opinion. I find it funny that people are complaining about realism when what they are doing is escapism into a virtual fake world while reading anyway. As for Grisaia, I never had any issue with it the entire time, maybe my disbelief is just suspended higher than some. I still think that you should never compare anything in a story to real life unless they start mentioning explicit references to real world places in context to the story that firmly place it in reality. The minute there is any supernatural aspect in the story, that belief should fall apart. As for Grisaia, I don't believe they ever mention any real life cities, and even if they do, you know its a fictional universe because they have a school for socially innept children THAT HAS 5 STUDENTS. I frankly have to agree that anyone who looked for realism in Grisaia was completely misreading it. Grisaia is the in the category of stories where you are meant to relate to it, but not explicitly compare it to the real world. We can relate to myths and legends, but we don't at all start complaining that they are too unrealistic because we know they aren't in the first place. I'm gonna use a really awful piece of argument right now: they have that warning that the entire story is fiction at the beginning, heed it. Her route(michiru's) was just fantasy and that's why it was ok, they've never tried to say yeah she has another girl living in her body and this can happen in real life, it was just her story and nothing more, at least that's the way i understand it. No, it was real, unless you want to call the correspondence at the end fake, which I can't believe considering the details. Quote
Deep Blue Posted March 6, 2015 Posted March 6, 2015 I find it funny that people are complaining about realism when what they are doing is escapism into a virtual fake world while reading anyway. As for Grisaia, I never had any issue with it the entire time, maybe my disbelief is just suspended higher than some. I still think that you should never compare anything in a story to real life unless they start mentioning explicit references to real world places in context to the story that firmly place it in reality. The minute there is any supernatural aspect in the story, that belief should fall apart. As for Grisaia, I don't believe they ever mention any real life cities, and even if they do, you know its a fictional universe because they have a school for socially innept children THAT HAS 5 STUDENTS. I frankly have to agree that anyone who looked for realism in Grisaia was completely misreading it. Grisaia is the in the category of stories where you are meant to relate to it, but not explicitly compare it to the real world. We can relate to myths and legends, but we don't at all start complaining that they are too unrealistic because we know they aren't in the first place. I'm gonna use a really awful piece of argument right now: they have that warning that the entire story is fiction at the beginning, heed it. No, it was real, unless you want to call the correspondence at the end fake, which I can't believe considering the details. What was real?two persons living in the same body? O.o her whole route was about that... Btw I never said i was looking for realism while reading this particular novel or any other in that matter, even when they aim for realism(like narcissu i guess) it's just a novel and calling it escapism is a bit harsh. Quote
Vokoca Posted March 7, 2015 Posted March 7, 2015 Out of all the routes, Michiru's gets retconned the hardest in Meikyuu/Rakuen. Grisaia was always weird about... I don't like to use the word 'realism', but what else to use here... genre, I guess? While the constant jumps between the serious parts and the comedy work perfectly well, the parts where the writers can't agree on whether it's a fantasy, sci-fi or a military thriller do the exact opposite. I've nevr seen such an inconsistent trilogy, what was Frontwing doing. D: I guess you can just believe what you like the best at this point, really. With so many different versions and retcons, it's almost impossible to keep track of what's the real story - or tone - even supposed to be. Deep Blue 1 Quote
Abyssal Monkey Posted March 7, 2015 Posted March 7, 2015 Doing Wanko's route in Majikoi... It's getting cringe-y, I need to take a break from it. Quote
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