What are you playing?

[FruitsPunchSamurai]

Welp, gonna take a break from Grisaia and start Majikoi. Let's see how is it.

Majikoi is pretty fucking awesome, you'll enjoy it. Just wish they fully translated it though. I Did the Agave/True route but only understood half of it. 

[waies]

Finished Bunny Black series and now i'm starting sengoku hime series , i'm playing sengoku hime 1. Nobunaga is cute . Still i was impressed about how the graphism improved . Sengoku hime 1 and 2 graphisms are a bit old i think ,sengoku hime 3 graphism is acceptable but the 4 and 5 graphism are juste awesome 

[Vokoca]

All these people who love Michiru almost make me feel bad, but then I always remember how hilarious it was for her to get trashed by Makina and she still remains the best punching bag character. As for the h-scenes in Grisaia, they were probably the first ones I didn't mind, since they were nicely written, and in some cases even funny, definitely the exception for me. Much more bearable than the Hoshizora horrors.

 

I've started secret route, though not far enough to judge anything, just two or three scenes in... hadn't had much time to read this week. :/ Also read some more of Kyonyuu, and I can't decide if it's ironic or not that I actually like the h-scenes in a nukige of all things, when I usually really dislike them in regular VNs. It might be because they aren't obnoxiously long... or because they aren't the usual boring crap? Or maybe I'm just into weird stuff, that'sprobablyit.

 

Anyway, I need to finish Hoshizora asap so I can pick up Senshinkan and attempt to read that. Plot sounds amazing and just the "Protagonist with Voice acting" alone sold me super hard on it.

[O. Van Bruce]

All these people who love Michiru almost make me feel bad, but then I always remember how hilarious it was for her to get trashed by Makina and she still remains the best punching bag character.

 

Why did you dislike Michiru's route? Ok, I could understand it if you had only read the common route, but her route is good on its own.

 

Depending on the answer, I'll consider not nuking your house.

[Guest]

Depending on the answer, I'll consider not nuking your house.

 

Double nuking

 

Makina's such a little b*****

[FruitsPunchSamurai]

Phew, finally gonna stop procrastinating and play DanganRonpa.

[Izuru]

Phew, finally gonna stop procrastinating and play DanganRonpa.

Danganronpa Is Soo Good Vn You Will Love But The Game 2 Will Be On Vita :3

[douggle]

Just finished all the regular routes in I/O I'll go back through tomorrow and view all the bad ends.

[O. Van Bruce]

Ok, I've been reading Majikoi during 4 hours and I must say this was a complete dissapointment. I started reading it with great expectations due to the hype it has been building over so much time and the big comunity that talks on the Majikoi thread (they almost look like a Majikoi general from 4-chan).

 

Now, it is a matter of tastes, I know but I consider myself a fairly tolerant person since I continue watching moeblob anime.

 

- The cast personalities are completely unintresting

 

Ok, if the cast is boring, maybe their conversations can work

 

- The characters interactions are completely cliched

 

Maybe the protagonist can do the trick?

 

- The protag is the epitome of facelessness. Not even once any of his actions gave me a hint about his personality. he's just a completely blank page. He could seriously be a camera put inside the game.

 

Desperately, I turn and try to look at the humour and gags just to be met by the barren and desolated siberian tundra.

 

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But I'm not done yet.... I tried to hold it from secondary stuff like the character designs, the animations or the music but not even that...

 

- Music is completely forgettable.

 

- My heart hurt every time I saw how sprites animations and background transitions were done. Ok, I've seen worst stuff but seriously, those were seriously sloppy... I would have prefered it to not have those kind of animations.

 

- The only stuff I found more or less interesting were the character designs, but seriously, if I only wanted to look at pretty characters I would visit Danbooru and spend my time there.

 

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Welp, and that's it. Sorry for anyone who loves Majikoi. I STILL want to believe there is something enjoyable there, so I ask anyone that have read it to tell me why I should read this.

 

 

Meanwhile, I'll go back to Grisaia and start considering G Senjou or Little Busters.

 

 

 

Danganronpa Is Soo Good Vn You Will Love But The Game 2 Will Be On Vita :3

 

Correction, the 2nd game is already on the PSP, what will be on the Vita is the localization.

[Vokoca]

Why did you dislike Michiru's route? Ok, I could understand it if you had only read the common route, but her route is good on its own.

 

Depending on the answer, I'll consider not nuking your house.

I never said I disliked her route. As out of place as it felt, I liked it, it had some very nice moments in it. In fact, I don't even really dislike her as a character or anything. It's just that she was the Sunohara of Grisaia for me. She was so amazing as a comic relief character that I just couldn't really take her seriously by the time I got to her route.

 

I also really disliked how

the magic Michiru forced Yuuji into the relationship. It felt annoying and it did weird things with the main character. Especially that bad ending, what the hell was that? Felt terribly out of character for Yuuji... and speaking of people being out of character, what was up with Chizuru in that route...?

The good ending was a silly resolution as well. So she can now have a magic split personality at the same time? Yep, that definitely makes things... better. :x That said, I really liked her backstory, her true character and that grave scene was good too, as over the top as it was. So it definitely wasn't the worst route, that privilege still sadly goes to Yumiko.

 

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Just got to the part in Hoshizora where 

You rejects Asuho, and it feels so wrong. D: Even if she's not even my favourite heroine or anything.

[O. Van Bruce]

I also really disliked how

the magic Michiru forced Yuuji into the relationship. It felt annoying and it did weird things with the main character. Especially that bad ending, what the hell was that? Felt terribly out of character for Yuuji... and speaking of people being out of character, what was up with Chizuru in that route...?

The good ending was a silly resolution as well. So she can now have a magic split personality at the same time? Yep, that definitely makes things... better. :x That said, I really liked her backstory, her true character and that grave scene was good too, as over the top as it was. So it definitely wasn't the worst route, that privilege still sadly goes to Yumiko.

 

I don't think magic Michiru really forced Yuuji into anything. It was Yuuji's curiosity what drove him there given he could have refused. In the end, he even acknowledges he doesn't knows why he ended liking her, yeah. but pretty much the same happens on Makina's route.

 

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About the bad ending... the out of character Yuuji is there because he allways had to deal with "fisical problems" on the other routes. On Amane's, he waits patiently for her recovery since she tries to behave normally. In Makina's, he has to deal with lots of problems with her family, but pretty much it's a world he knows about due to his work.

 

In contrast, he has to deal with Michiru, a girl who's getting heavily drugged, who has attempted suicide and has the worst self destruction impulses out of the whole group. It doesn't strike me as strange the great deal of insecurity and helplesness Yuuji should have had thinking on how to deal with that situation.

 

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What happens with Chizuru?

 

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About the good end, welp... it's magic hahahahaha.  Yeah, I must recognize it was silly.

[Vokoca]

I don't think magic Michiru really forced Yuuji into anything. It was Yuuji's curiosity what drove him there given he could have refused. In the end, he even acknowledges he doesn't knows why he ended liking her, yeah. but pretty much the same happens on Makina's route.

 

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About the bad ending... the out of character Yuuji is there because he allways had to deal with "fisical problems" on the other routes. On Amane's, he waits patiently for her recovery since she tries to behave normally. In Makina's, he has to deal with lots of problems with her family, but pretty much it's a world he knows about due to his work.

 

In contrast, he has to deal with Michiru, a girl who's getting heavily drugged, who has attempted suicide and has the worst self destruction impulses out of the whole group. It doesn't strike me as strange the great deal of insecurity and helplesness Yuuji should have had thinking on how to deal with that situation.

 

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What happens with Chizuru?

 

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About the good end, welp... it's magic hahahahaha.  Yeah, I must recognize it was silly.

Well, it was that sort of "You (unwittingly) started it, so you'd better go through with it now!" thing that annoyed me, but you're right that Yuuji did go with the flow, yeah.

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The bad end... I can see what you mean, it was just kind of strange how Yuuji suddenly got weak. I can understand that all this was new to him, but it just felt kind of uncharacteristic taking the rest of Grisaia into account - but then again, Michiru's route as a whole felt different from the rest. I heard they didn't have a... how do you call this position, a redactor? ...basically they didn't have anyone who'd check all the routes from different writers and make sure they fit thematically, which would also explain why Yumiko's route was just a much weaker version of Makina's route.

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As for Chizuru, I remember her having certain scenes where she'd get irrationally angry at Yuuji, as if it was his fault Michiru started drugging herself in the first place.

 

But yeah, it was a while since I read Grisaia, so some things are cloudy. I also heard that there's a certain plot-point in Meikyuu that could potentially make Michiru's route even more silly, or actually make it better, but I'll have to read it first to see how much true that actually is.

[O. Van Bruce]

Well, it was that sort of "You (unwittingly) started it, so you'd better go through with it now!" thing that annoyed me, but you're right that Yuuji did go with the flow, yeah.

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The bad end... I can see what you mean, it was just kind of strange how Yuuji suddenly got weak. I can understand that all this was new to him, but it just felt kind of uncharacteristic taking the rest of Grisaia into account - but then again, Michiru's route as a whole felt different from the rest. I heard they didn't have a... how do you call this position, a redactor? ...basically they didn't have anyone who'd check all the routes from different writers and make sure they fit thematically, which would also explain why Yumiko's route was just a much weaker version of Makina's route.

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As for Chizuru, I remember her having certain scenes where she'd get irrationally angry at Yuuji, as if it was his fault Michiru started drugging herself in the first place.

 

But yeah, it was a while since I read Grisaia, so some things are cloudy. I also heard that there's a certain plot-point in Meikyuu that could potentially make Michiru's route even more silly, or actually make it better, but I'll have to read it first to see how much true that actually is.

 

 

And Mekyuu is only at 5% ;_;

 

It will be a long wait.

[Vokoca]

And Mekyuu is only at 5% ;_;

 

It will be a long wait.

You make me want to go check out her route right now, despite the other VNs and my japanese...

 

Though if I remember correctly, Kajitsu was translated relatively fast, right? Then the wait might not be so bad.

[solidbatman]

I've unloced Refrain in Little Busters. Not sure what I'll read next, but ef is a solid bet. 

[Zakamutt]

^ I/O dammit

[Wahfuu]

For the record, Yuuji's thing in Michiru's route is because it was a different writer who (imo) completely mishandled his personality and made him unnaturally aggressive.

Still not as bad as his Yumiko counterpart.

[O. Van Bruce]

For the record, Yuuji's thing in Michiru's route is because it was a different writer who (imo) completely mishandled his personality and made him unnaturally aggressive.

Still not as bad as his Yumiko counterpart.

 

I know it was another writer, but all in all his personality more or less remained the same. What really changed was the writing style.

[douggle]

^ I/O dammit

I quite enjoyed I/O the cyberpunk is interesting and the info dumps are pretty spectacular too.

[Arturia]

Hmm after these few later Vn's ive been reading i felt like a longer Vn to keep me busy(although im always busy)..

So after i was reminded of Kamidori from the recent Walkthrough i have decided to walk down this long path..again..I had a few months back but lost it due to Drive crash..but enjoyed it..I played Yuela's route first, at first i didnt take notice of her and her personality, but like others have mentioned..She is like a Tsundere xD..

 

Anyway Onto ALchemy Meisterer for me xD.

[Wahfuu]

I know it was another writer, but all in all his personality more or less remained the same. What really changed was the writing style.

I disagree entirely. His personality is not at all the same. Yuuji was always a smartass but he was never heartless. He goes far, far out of his way in Makina's especially to help her. A big part of why Yuuji wants to help these girls are because of his own problems; Michiru's route is absolutely backwards from that.

[O. Van Bruce]

I disagree entirely. His personality is not at all the same. Yuuji was always a smartass but he was never heartless. He goes far, far out of his way in Makina's especially to help her. A big part of why Yuuji wants to help these girls are because of his own problems; Michiru's route is absolutely backwards from that.

 

He may have been a smartass in the other 2 routes but:

 

The out of character Yuuji is there because he allways had to deal with "fisical problems" on the other routes. On Amane's, he waits patiently for her recovery since she is behaving "normally". In Makina's, he has to deal with lots of problems with her family, but pretty much it's a world he knows about due to his work.

 

In contrast, he has to deal with Michiru, a girl who's getting heavily drugged, who has attempted suicide and has the worst self destruction impulses out of the whole group. It doesn't strike me as strange the great deal of insecurity and helplesness Yuuji should have had thinking on how to deal with that situation.

 

Poeple react differently on different circunstances. You can't expect the protagonist to be a monolithic block of ideas and concepts. there is something called character progression.

 

Finally, the only 2 routes in which he tries to help the other girl because he relates to her are Makina's and Sachi's. In Amane's he simply knows something is wrong with her but until she presents the diary to him he has no clue about what happened to her.

 

Now, if you excuse me, I'll be cuddling with Maefdomn's pillow

[Wahfuu]

He may have been a smartass in the other 2 routes but:

 

The out of character Yuuji is there because he allways had to deal with "fisical problems" on the other routes. On Amane's, he waits patiently for her recovery since she is behaving "normally". In Makina's, he has to deal with lots of problems with her family, but pretty much it's a world he knows about due to his work.

 

In contrast, he has to deal with Michiru, a girl who's getting heavily drugged, who has attempted suicide and has the worst self destruction impulses out of the whole group. It doesn't strike me as strange the great deal of insecurity and helplesness Yuuji should have had thinking on how to deal with that situation.

 

Poeple react differently on different circunstances. You can't expect the protagonist to be a monolithic block of ideas and concepts. there is something called character progression.

 

Finally, the only 2 routes in which he tries to help the other girl because he relates to her are Makina's and Sachi's. In Amane's he simply knows something is wrong with her but until she presents the diary to him he has no clue about what happened to her.

 

Now, if you excuse me, I'll be cuddling with Maefdomn's pillow

Yuuji constantly talks in that route about how people have to help themselves when it comes to their own mental problems. It contradicts what he said before in Makina/Amane's route, but let's forget that for a second. He outright contributes to the problem in Michiru's route. The 'pretend sex'? seriously? Yuuji would never do that. He's also proven that he's not insensitive enough to outright ignore someones feelings like he constantly did to Michiru during her route.

Also, if were talking about the other routes; Yuuji is not doing stuff for this girls just for them. He is recreating how his master saved him, acting out the same kindness he was shown when he was saved. THAT is his biggest character motivation. And ALL his actions in Michirus route go against that single chatacter motivation; there is no justifcation for that. Yuuji wasnt brooding and wondering how he could help her. He was outright hostile. It's nonsense.

I could see it this was placed differently; but this was after the huge common route which culminated in the beach trip, where Yuuji finally feels himself warming up and allowing himself to be happy. Quickly switching into an omega dipshit who's constantly mean to someone with mental problems is not the same character in any other route, i'm sorry.

Also, Yuuji was completely lost in Makina's route. I don't know how you can say he 'knew what he was doing'. He was fighting Makinas family and his own organization. He's just smart enough to pull through. So, yes. I expect a hairs worth of consistency in characters. Michiru's route and Yumikos route both bastardized the protag. Even Sachi's route has it toned down. The writers dont all get together and decide if the routes work together, or if they're consistent. Alot of them are seperate.

Example: Take yuuji out of the picture in all the scenarios. Makina would not be able to stand on her own two feat, Amane's survivors guilt would plague her forever. Sachi is forever pathologically obedient and Yumikos never fixed either.

Now, try that with Michiru. She never goes through the depression, the split personality is kept low through medication, she still has her friends. She sadly doesn't get to date yuuji, but her issues are amplified by yuuji. I dont see how thats arguable.

The nicest thing Yuuji did for Michiru was burry her alive.

 

[Aggressor]

Finished http://vndb.org/v5871 - even moeges of Propeller are action moeges, lol. True route was just awesome, 9/10.

[O. Van Bruce]

Yuuji constantly talks in that route about how people have to help themselves when it comes to their own mental problems. It contradicts what he said before in Makina/Amane's route, but let's forget that for a second. He outright contributes to the problem in Michiru's route. The 'pretend sex'? seriously? Yuuji would never do that. He's also proven that he's not insensitive enough to outright ignore someones feelings like he constantly did to Michiru during her route.

Also, if were talking about the other routes; Yuuji is not doing stuff for this girls just for them. He is recreating how his master saved him, acting out the same kindness he was shown when he was saved. THAT is his biggest character motivation. And ALL his actions in Michirus route go against that single chatacter motivation; there is no justifcation for that. Yuuji wasnt brooding and wondering how he could help her. He was outright hostile. It's nonsense.

 

I could see it this was placed differently; but this was after the huge common route which culminated in the beach trip, where Yuuji finally feels himself warming up and allowing himself to be happy. Quickly switching into an omega dipshit who's constantly mean to someone with mental problems is not the same character in any other route, i'm sorry.

 

 

Yuuji had the same problem on Amane and Michiru's route: he wanted to help then but he didn't know how to, he was commpletely lost on how to do it. He took the same resolution on both routes: he simply waited and said yes to both girls desires, with completely different results. In Amane's, as she was very much stable in psicological terms, the resolution presented by itself and Yuuji could grasp it on a more or less easy way. By contrast, in Michiru's, things got out of control and Michiru almost suicided. It's obvious that the impact and fears that were born after that would make Yuuji behave in a completely different way after that compared to Amane's route, in which the plot develops at a constant and progressive way.

 

About if Yuuji would never had sex with a girl pretending to love her, I'd say he practically does it all the time on Amane's route. As he mentioned there, he knows that she's hiding something and she's trying to hide it using sex.

 

As for why Yuuji behaved like an asshole to Michiru during the first halve of her route, isn't it mainly because he thinks at first that Michiru is an idiot? He'd probably never had gotten that close to her if it weren't for Michiru B and the curiosity she stirred on him. Everything happens and develops abruptly and dissorderly due to Yuuji not taking seriously what happens with Michiru until the suicide attempt. That's when he realizes the stuff is serious and he switches to the "Yuuji who helps the girls".

 

 

Also, Yuuji was completely lost in Makina's route. I don't know how you can say he 'knew what he was doing'. He was fighting Makinas family and his own organization. He's just smart enough to pull through. So, yes. I expect a hairs worth of consistency in characters. Michiru's route and Yumikos route both bastardized the protag. Even Sachi's route has it toned down. The writers dont all get together and decide if the routes work together, or if they're consistent. Alot of them are seperate.

 

 

In Makina's route he more or less had a plan since the beggining to bring her out of the hole she was in as her "father". He sticks to it seeing that Makina is practically the same as him some years ago (minus the "arm curse"). IThis is what I was talking about when I said he knew what he was doing: helping Makina to overcome her trauma.

 

Once again, I don't get why you are so much closed into Yuuji allways getting the same results. He deals with very different scenarios, gets different results and reacts on different ways to then as well. Character progression it's the key.

 

 

 

 

Example: Take yuuji out of the picture in all the scenarios. Makina would not be able to stand on her own two feat, Amane's survivors guilt would plague her forever. Sachi is forever pathologically obedient and Yumikos never fixed either.

Now, try that with Michiru. She never goes through the depression, the split personality is kept low through medication, she still has her friends. She sadly doesn't get to date yuuji, but her issues are amplified by yuuji. I dont see how thats arguable.

The nicest thing Yuuji did for Michiru was burry her alive.

 

 

I don't see which problem are you having here, really... yeah, other girls would have needed Yuuji more than Michiru. Until Yuuji irresponsably kissed her and the delicate building she had completely crumbled. The amount of the disaster was so big that Michiru B, which alledgely had allways concealed her existance to other people, including Michiru's parents, decided to demand Yuuji to do something to resolve the mess he did.