What are you playing?

[Seraphim]

Yeah, it's another one of those VNs I've been looking forward to for a really long time! I've heard it's preferable to play Higurashi first, so my Umineko playthrough has been delayed until now because of that.

By the way, what's this about "difficulty" that's mentioned when you start a chapter in Higurashi? The difficulty of chapter 1 was described as "extremely high" despite it being a purely kinetic novel, and I tried booting up chapter 2 just now and saw that the difficulty of that's supposedly "lower than Onikakushi, but extremely vicious". Is this something that will make sense eventually or is it some kind of inside joke I'm not quite getting?

[Silvz]

9 minutes ago, Seraphim88 said:

Yeah, it's another one of those VNs I've been looking forward to for a really long time! I've heard it's preferable to play Higurashi first, so my Umineko playthrough has been delayed until now because of that.

By the way, what's this about "difficulty" that's mentioned when you start a chapter in Higurashi? The difficulty of chapter 1 was described as "extremely high" despite it being a purely kinetic novel, and I tried booting up chapter 2 just now and saw that the difficulty of that's supposedly "lower than Onikakushi, but extremely vicious". Is this something that will make sense eventually or is it some kind of inside joke I'm not quite getting?

Hmmm it will make sense to you if you read Higurashi as a mystery novel, with a whoddunit, motives, etc. In Onikakushi, it's pretty much impossible to understand what is really happening, but as you progress in the story, you can figure some things out and make sense with some things - thus it will become easier.

Edited May 10, 2020 by Silvz

[Seraphim]

Ah, they're referring to how hard it is to understand the mystery in each individual chapter? Seems like a kinda pointless thing to mention, to be honest! When I was about to start chapter 1 and saw that notice, I figured the difficulty thing meant there might be a lot of bad endings and/or some sort of puzzles, so I was kinda surprised to find out there were none of that.

[GXOALMD]

The whole "This is a game" thing that Higurashi attempted was one of the few things I liked about the novel.  I think the intent behind that sentiment wasn't conveyed well, but the actual execution of it was passable.

[Silvz]

20 minutes ago, Seraphim88 said:

Ah, they're referring to how hard it is to understand the mystery in each individual chapter? Seems like a kinda pointless thing to mention, to be honest! When I was about to start chapter 1 and saw that notice, I figured the difficulty thing meant there might be a lot of bad endings and/or some sort of puzzles, so I was kinda surprised to find out there were none of that.

yeah, that's it! But trust me, it is as hard as it says it is.

[Dreamysyu]

On Totono

On 5/7/2020 at 7:33 PM, Seraphim88 said:

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- I chose Miyuki over Aoi in the end, and it was mostly because of the whole NTR thing.

 

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Well, I also chose Miyuki, partially for the same reason. I just thought: I understand that the MC forgave Aoi simply because he is the protagonist and she is the heroine, and this is how eroge work, but why do I have to do the same? As for Miyuki, I actually liked it a lot more from the very beginning, and I kind of get what brought her to do what she did, so the choice was pretty easy for me.

To be honest, I still haven't thought it through, but I feel like NTR in this VN is completely pointless. It feels like it's just there for shock value rather than anything else. And it's a shame, this is basically the only thing about this VN that I didn't like.

Oh, and the h-scene with the player was probably the cringiest h-scene in all eroge I've read so far. Not that's it's really a bad thing or something. But I kind of want to see the photo of my face when I was reading this scene, lol.

 

[Seraphim]

14 hours ago, Dreamysyu said:

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I understand that the MC forgave Aoi simply because he is the protagonist and she is the heroine, and this is how eroge work, but why do I have to do the same?

 

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This is honestly one of the biggest issues of the game if you ask me.
Later on in the story, the player is held accountable for forcing Shinichi's hand, but in reality, he's the one who forgave Aoi, not me. The only thing I got to choose was between throwing her out of the house right away or letting her explain her actions, and doing the latter should have no bearing on the matter of forgiving or not forgiving her. Miyuki says that she thought her dream of being together with Shinichi would come true, until he walked into the room to join Haru and Aoi, meaning she was ready to forgive him up to that point.
I never chose to forgive Aoi or agreed to any of the things that took place in that room, but the game moved on as if I did and based the entire escalation of the story and the fourth wall interaction on a couple of vague choices that I couldn't possibly imagine the consequences of. It would have been another matter entirely if you actively had to choose between either forgiving or not forgiving Aoi, but there's just no way to know what's going to happen based on the choices you're actually presented with.

 

14 hours ago, Dreamysyu said:

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I kind of want to see the photo of my face when I was reading this scene, lol.

 

This illustrates the situation for myself:


They also pretty much completely dismissed the notion that girls might want to read this VN.

[Jardic47]

 

9 minutes ago, Seraphim88 said:

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This is honestly one of the biggest issues of the game if you ask me.
Later on in the story, the player is held accountable for forcing Shinichi's hand, but in reality, he's the one who forgave Aoi, not me. The only thing I got to choose was between throwing her out of the house right away or letting her explain her actions, and doing the latter should have no bearing on the matter of forgiving or not forgiving her. Miyuki says that she thought her dream of being together with Shinichi would come true, until he walked into the room to join Haru and Aoi, meaning she was ready to forgive him up to that point.
I never chose to forgive Aoi or agreed to any of the things that took place in that room, but the game moved on as if I did and based the entire escalation of the story and the fourth wall interaction on a couple of vague choices that I couldn't possibly imagine the consequences of. It would have been another matter entirely if you actively had to choose between either forgiving or not forgiving Aoi, but there's just no way to know what's going to happen based on the choices you're actually presented with.

 

This illustrates the situation for myself:


They also pretty much completely dismissed the notion that girls might want to read this VN.

Sometimes I wonder about how the writers felt when writing that. I never understood that to be honest with you.

[Dreamysyu]

1 hour ago, Seraphim88 said:

They also pretty much completely dismissed the notion that girls might want to read this VN.

Or guys who just don't care about sexual content. Which kind of makes sense, since it's an eroge and is aimed at the male audience, but it's also one of the main reasons why it'll never become as popular in the West as a certain other VN everyone compares it to.

1 hour ago, Seraphim88 said:

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This is honestly one of the biggest issues of the game if you ask me.
Later on in the story, the player is held accountable for forcing Shinichi's hand, but in reality, he's the one who forgave Aoi, not me. The only thing I got to choose was between throwing her out of the house right away or letting her explain her actions, and doing the latter should have no bearing on the matter of forgiving or not forgiving her. Miyuki says that she thought her dream of being together with Shinichi would come true, until he walked into the room to join Haru and Aoi, meaning she was ready to forgive him up to that point.
I never chose to forgive Aoi or agreed to any of the things that took place in that room, but the game moved on as if I did and based the entire escalation of the story and the fourth wall interaction on a couple of vague choices that I couldn't possibly imagine the consequences of. It would have been another matter entirely if you actively had to choose between either forgiving or not forgiving Aoi, but there's just no way to know what's going to happen based on the choices you're actually presented with.

 

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I don't really remember the moment where Miyuki blamed the player (and not Shinichi, since they are different in her eyes) for forgiving Aoi for ntr. I personally thought that she was blaming the player for trying to get into Aoi's route to begin with. Which kind of makes sense, since there are quite a lot of very specific choices that are required for entering her route, and the meaning of some of these choices, like choosing to stay with Aoi instead of returning to the meeting with Miyuki, are pretty clear. And choosing incorrectly in all of these choices leads to a slightly different version of Miyuki's route, I tried most of them to see if anything interesting would happen. But if, like you said, there was a scene where Miyuki was blaming the player and not Shinichi for forgiving Aoi, then this doesn't really make any sense.

Though, after I thought about it, I also don't really like that they basically turned the player into a character inside the story at the very end of the game. Some of the things they put into these single-option choices were pretty far from what I thought during that exact moment. I'd say, that hurts the immersion quite a bit. I think, it would be a lot better if they at least gave the player the way to choose between different choices, which would eventually lead to the same result.

 

Edited May 12, 2020 by Dreamysyu

[Jardic47]

Personally, I thought limiting the story to that angle was kind of bad in this case. Sure, it's an eroge, but it could have been better.

[Dreamysyu]

22 minutes ago, Jardic47 said:

Personally, I thought limiting the story to that angle was kind of bad in this case. Sure, it's an eroge, but it could have been better.

I mean, it would definitely be cool if they actually addressed the possibility. But I kind of understand why they didn't.

[Seraphim]

31 minutes ago, Dreamysyu said:

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But if, like you said, there was a scene where Miyuki was blaming the player and not Shinichi for forgiving Aoi, then this doesn't really make any sense.

 

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She doesn't specifically mention anything about the player forgiving Aoi (as far as I can remember), but she's holding the player accountable for forcing Shinichi's hand in that situation and thus ruining Shinichi's and Miyuki's "eternal love". The problem is that the thing that became the last straw for Miyuki was when Shinichi slept with Aoi despite her unfaithfulness (Miyuki explains this outright during the baseball bat scene), and that isn't something the player actually had any say in. Well, technically, it was the player who made the choice to have Aoi explain her actions, eventually leading to her being forgiven by Shinichi and them having a threesome with Haru, but it's kinda ridiculous that you should be held responsible to such an extent for a couple of choices that don't by any means reflect the consequences that come of them.

 

[Dreamysyu]

3 minutes ago, Seraphim88 said:

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She doesn't specifically mention anything about the player forgiving Aoi (as far as I can remember), but she's holding the player accountable for forcing Shinichi's hand in that situation and thus ruining Shinichi's and Miyuki's "eternal love". The problem is that the thing that became the last straw for Miyuki was when Shinichi slept with Aoi despite her unfaithfulness (Miyuki explains this outright during the baseball bat scene), and that isn't something the player actually had any say in. Well, technically, it was the player who made the choice to have Aoi explain her actions, eventually leading to her being forgiven by Shinichi and them having a threesome with Haru, but it's kinda ridiculous that you should be held responsible to such an extent for a couple of choices that don't by any means reflect the consequences that come of them.

 

Hmmm. Maybe I should just reread that part.

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Maybe I just assumed that they was talking about the previous h-scene and misunderstood this part, and that's why I don't remember this.

Actually, I wonder, does not choosing to allow Aoi to explain her actions lead to different result? Because I don't think I actually tried the different option. I assumed that they would just make things somehow work out with her, thus leading to the same result, but maybe I should've tried it while I had a chance.

 

[Seraphim]

2 minutes ago, Dreamysyu said:

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Actually, I wonder, does not choosing to allow Aoi to explain her actions lead to different result?

 

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Haven't tried it myself, but from what I understand, rejecting Aoi by immediately throwing her out of the house without any explanation leads you back to Miyuki's route. (Which would also prove that what Miyuki says during the baseball bat scene, about Shinichi fucking Aoi despite her unfaithfulness being the trigger for Miyuki going berserk, is actually true.)

 

[Jardic47]

I haven't played the When They Cry series yet, but I have been following what I could read and I have been trying to figure out what the problem is. Is this about the main games or is this about the side stuff that was on the consoles?

[Dreamysyu]

6 minutes ago, Seraphim88 said:

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Haven't tried it myself, but from what I understand, rejecting Aoi by immediately throwing her out of the house without any explanation leads you back to Miyuki's route. (Which would also prove that what Miyuki says during the baseball bat scene, about Shinichi fucking Aoi despite her unfaithfulness being the trigger for Miyuki going berserk, is actually true.)

 

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I see. Come to think of it, after Miyuki learned that Shinichi and Aoi had sex for the first time, she did say something that she was willing to forgive him (or the player, I'm not sure) if it was the only time, which implies that there was an option to do that. But yeah, you're right, that particular choice didn't really feel like it would lead to him forgiving her. I mean, listening to both sides is a natural thing to do in that situation. And I think I still thought that there was a possibility that it was all somehow set up by Miyuki.

 

[Silvz]

1 minute ago, Jardic47 said:

I haven't played the When They Cry series yet, but I have been following what I could read and I have been trying to figure out what the problem is. Is this about the main games or is this about the side stuff that was on the consoles?

I don't understand your post nor your question

[Jardic47]

@Silvz It was a question aimed at @Dreamysyu or @Seraphim88 about there conversation on Higurashi. I was just trying to figure out what they talking about.

[Seraphim]

I can see why you're confused if you think we're talking about Higurashi right now! We're actually discussing Totono (aka Kimi to Kanojo to Kanojo no Koi), which Dreamysyu brought up at the end of the last page!

[Jardic47]

Ah, thanks for clearing that up. I actually thought you and @Dreamysyu were still talking about Higurashi. I got confused halfway through the conversation and that was my fault. I forgot that came out recently.

[fuyopon]

7 hours ago, Seraphim88 said:

They also pretty much completely dismissed the notion that girls might want to read this VN.

as a big lesbian, I just do the old trick that almost all lesbians and girls who like to read good vns do: attach your imaginary dick and enjoy the story lol I don't mind sexual content, a lot of time I just find it ridiculous or not my thing bc I have a girl's body and don't find huge tits that hurt your back sexy, I can f e e l the pain. Sorry for the rant lol I just find that really fucking annoying haha

I am pretty hyped for totono but my old friend called "vns I haven't finished on my desktop" is still here

Edited May 12, 2020 by Leonor

[Trickay]

So after a good long spell of hiding under a rock I tried DDLC, which felt like a completely shallow rip off of MYTH. However, I did quite enjoy the mind f**k.

But compared to MYTH, which truly was a gem and rather different from what I normally read, I was just left wanting more as it was shorter than a prologue. I'm thinking I may finally begin Higurashi next as I've read elsewhere that its similar to both and could do with a little more mind f**k. 

Edited May 12, 2020 by Trickay
Failure to use the English language.

[Dreamysyu]

7 minutes ago, Trickay said:

So after a good long spell of hiding under a rock I tried DDLC, which felt like a completely shallow rip off of MYTH. However, I did quite enjoy the mind f**k.

Hmm, are they actually similar? I remember trying Myth some time ago, but it felt a bit too weird even for my tastes.

[Trickay]

If you finish it you'll know what I mean.

[Silvz]

uh, I finished MYTH, or at least I think so, because there was no walkthrough and some chapters were locked in very specific parts of the scenery, but I wouldn't ever compare it to DDLC, it would be  misleading as hell