The UN Wants To Censor The Entire Internet

[Abyssal Monkey]

I don't even consider these two feminists. Just two insane buffoons who get triggered if a man so much as looks at them. Though I do admit, what happened to Zoe was unfortunate, and is definitely a serious problem. Honestly, i'm 99% sure this won't go through, the UN isn't that stupid (or at least I hope they aren't). However, if it does..may god have mercy on these two, I wouldn't be surprised if they actually got killed over it. 

[Jun Inoue]

Now, I don't usually discuss this. I really, really hate to. Because I acknowledge quite a few poits from the Movement (I'm not the one to call it like this. Student Unions use it to refer to all movements that defend minorities), yet I intrinsically can't be a part of the debate for being a cis male etc etc. But there's something I'd like to address when it comes to "men against women".

 

It evolved to "patriarchy against women", patriarchy being an almost almighty, undefineable entity that encompasses men and women, but not alike and not every time. It's a system, yet it has no specific rules. It's the cardinal sin of society, but which no one can or wants to retrace. This creates a cynic, Cheshire-smile doublethink in which women who scam men may be criminals in the microcosm but victims in the macrocosm, for they were always objectified and their actions are a result of this objetification; likewise, the man may be a victim in the microcosm but an oppressor in the patriarchy, so he's, in the end, the one to blame. Were the roles to be swapped, it's fairly obvious who'd be a criminal and an oppressor, right? But the man's circumstances wouldn't matter at all - the microcosm and case at hand would be considered by the Movement as the only thing that matters. No amount of context, of circumstances of, heck, even due process would be able to make the man be excused, because depending on convenience, it's either statistics or experience that matters.

 

It's a Pandora's box logic in which all crimes have already been committed - we're all here just waiting for them to unfold and men, even when victims, are victis of crimes they committed themselves a priori. And I hate this crap, but spent so much time not discussing it that now I just had to blurt it all out on a forum about visual novels.

Reminds me of "feminist" blogs which claim that violence and abuse crimes against men because "we live in a patriarchy and hence there's no organization that discriminates against men, so law-related crimes against men are impossible and nonexistent".

[fun2novel]

I gotta say this is a sorry excuse to give more power to the big brother. I mean wtf, are they serious? Oh, somebody is rude to me on the internet T_T it must be censored, wha whaaaa waaaaaa ;_;

 

Give me a break already, wtf is wrong with these people? You can't take criticism then don't be on the internet, it's not the internet that should go it's YOU! There isn't a single media person that is not getting bombarded and slandered and what not. That's life for you, get over it. What's next? Let's censor the paparazzi? and while we're at it let's censor the E! channel. Why stop there, let's mark all the people in the world with a special ID and track everything their doing on the internet, that will stop the bad guys and make the feminists feel better.... oh wait, there are rapists and murderers in the real world too... let's just "censor" them too.

 

People open your eyes, this is not about the feminists. And since when the UN should be concerned with these issues anyway? UN is not the world government, it cannot tell anybody to do anything.

[Down]

Now, I don't usually discuss this. I really, really hate to. Because I acknowledge quite a few poits from the Movement (I'm not the one to call it like this. Student Unions use it to refer to all movements that defend minorities), yet I intrinsically can't be a part of the debate for being a cis male etc etc. But there's something I'd like to address when it comes to "men against women".

 

It evolved to "patriarchy against women", patriarchy being an almost almighty, undefineable entity that encompasses men and women, but not alike and not every time. It's a system, yet it has no specific rules. It's the cardinal sin of society, but which no one can or wants to retrace. This creates a cynic, Cheshire-smile doublethink in which women who scam men may be criminals in the microcosm but victims in the macrocosm, for they were always objectified and their actions are a result of this objetification; likewise, the man may be a victim in the microcosm but an oppressor in the patriarchy, so he's, in the end, the one to blame. Were the roles to be swapped, it's fairly obvious who'd be a criminal and an oppressor, right? But the man's circumstances wouldn't matter at all - the microcosm and case at hand would be considered by the Movement as the only thing that matters. No amount of context, of circumstances of, heck, even due process would be able to make the man be excused, because depending on convenience, it's either statistics or experience that matters.

 

It's a Pandora's box logic in which all crimes have already been committed - we're all here just waiting for them to unfold and men, even when victims, are victis of crimes they committed themselves a priori. And I hate this crap, but spent so much time not discussing it that now I just had to blurt it all out on a forum about visual novels.

[Jun Inoue]

I read your post three or four times but I don't understand what your point is.

 

All I can say is that:

-Any reasonable form of feminist movement has never been about "men against women" and always "a group of men and women against established social and legal structures"

-You seem to think the concept of patriarchy as a system is used to determine what individuals are to blame and what individuals are to be absolved, which doesn't sound right at all. Once you start thinking in terms of systems, which I think is the right way to think this kind of issue as well as many others, there's no point in trying to find culprits or w/e at a macrocosm level.  Maybe you're referring to events I'm not aware of where pseudo-feminism has been used as an excuse in wrong ways. Maybe I don't understand what you're trying to say at all.

[Down]

I see.

 

I've been (luckily I guess) mostly exposed to the "right kind" of feminism, so I've always considered this kind of attitude to be the acts of a loud minority. I wonder where did that radicalization of opinions come from. Lack of having an informed opinion I guess.

[Jun Inoue]

I see.

 

I've been (luckily I guess) mostly exposed to the "right kind" of feminism, so I've always considered this kind of attitude to be the acts of a loud minority. I wonder where did that radicalization of opinions come from. Lack of having an informed opinion I guess.

[Darklord Rooke]

It's not even a part of feminism, it's just a fairly small minority within the feminism movement have extremist views, it's like decrying all religion because of the extremist nuts or decrying all Alaskans because of Sarah Palin. There actually isn't a branch of feminism that argues for vengeance against men, but I have, for example, been to a University meeting of feminists where some people in the club have been hurt by men and have joined for reasons associated with that. This tends to taint their goals and their perspective, combine this with their general ignorance on the topic and history and you get the sort of 'feminism' that a lot of people are familiar with. Meanwhile in the background, learned people are writing interesting tomes about, for example, language disparity concerning genders and how there are many more insulting terms to put down a woman than a man, but you won't hear about this because a new book has been released by someone who believes if a man touches a woman it's a form of rape (an actual book.) Guess which one gets the media coverage based on what can move the most number of papers/attract the most number of viewers?

 

That being said, you have the other side of the ledger where sexist pigs and people with agendas grab these headline grabbing pieces of work and seek to smear the entire feminism movement with it. These people on the internet are abusive to the point where the public view them as just as bad, or worse, than the extremist feminists. So you have a situation in most of society where rational people will seek to avoid feminism AND everyone who has the words 'social justice warrior' in their vocabulary. Too much bad press.

[Jun Inoue]

It's not even a part of feminism, it's just a fairly small minority within the feminism movement have extremist views, it's like decrying all religion because of the extremist nuts or decrying all Alaskans because of Sarah Palin. There actually isn't a branch of feminism that argues for vengeance against men, but I have, for example, been to a University meeting of feminists where some people in the club have been hurt by men and have joined for reasons associated with that. This tends to taint their goals and their perspective, combine this with their general ignorance on the topic and history and you get the sort of 'feminism' that a lot of people are familiar with. Meanwhile in the background, learned people are writing interesting tomes about, for example, language disparity concerning genders and how there are many more insulting terms to put down a woman than a man, but you won't hear about this because a new book has been released by someone who believes if a man touches a woman it's a form of rape (an actual book.) Guess which one gets the media coverage based on what can move the most number of papers/attract the most number of viewers?

 

That being said, you have the other side of the ledger where sexist pigs and people with agendas grab these headline grabbing pieces of work and seek to smear the entire feminism movement with it. These people on the internet are abusive to the point where the public view them as just as bad, or worse, than the extremist feminists. So you have a situation in most of society where rational people will seek to avoid feminism AND everyone who has the words 'social justice warrior' in their vocabulary. Too much bad press.