VirginSmasher Posted March 6, 2016 Posted March 6, 2016 4 minutes ago, CeruleanGamer said: Yeah I agree. I think pure horror VNs are the only ones that can pull off this style without boring the reader. Horror VNs require very descriptive and graphic vocabulary to succeed and no artwork or sprite animation can save it if it cant describe how horrying the scenes/characters are. Exactly. Saya No Uta actually pulled off NVL well because it was very descriptive and actually tried to creep you out. ADV fits a lot better for VNs other than Horror VNs. Quote
Deep Blue Posted March 7, 2016 Posted March 7, 2016 Chaos;head did an amazing job with the horror scenes (when you see the gore stuff on the internet for example) and didn't go for the wall of text thing, if you write something interesting and good it doesnt matter in which way you present it it will be good no matter what, NVL is just another way to present your narration but it's not a condition to have a great horror scene. XReaper and FinalChaos 2 Quote
Vorathiel Posted March 7, 2016 Posted March 7, 2016 13 minutes ago, Deep Blue said: Chaos;head did an amazing job with the horror scenes (when you see the gore stuff on the internet for example) and didn't go for the wall of text thing, if you write something interesting and good it doesnt matter in which way you present it it will be good no matter what, NVL is just another way to present your narration but it's not a condition to have a great horror scene. Condition - no, but I would say it's much easier to do that in NVL. Tsukihime had a great 'direction' of text appearing, sometimes faster, sometimes slower, sometimes in the left side of screen, sometimes in the middle and it was really effective. Didn't read Chaos;Head but 'scary' stuff in Steins;Gate were really gut wrenching. So I agree, it's definitely possible in AVL. Quote
VirginSmasher Posted March 7, 2016 Posted March 7, 2016 1 hour ago, Deep Blue said: Chaos;head did an amazing job with the horror scenes (when you see the gore stuff on the internet for example) and didn't go for the wall of text thing, if you write something interesting and good it doesnt matter in which way you present it it will be good no matter what, NVL is just another way to present your narration but it's not a condition to have a great horror scene. I never said horror couldn't work with ADV, but it fits better with NVL. A good example of this would Kara no Shoujo. It was an ADV centered VN with NVL scenes of murder. Those NVL scenes worked really well because they were descriptive and described the murders in graphic detail. In ADV, it wouldn't have worked as well in my opinion. Quote
ChaosRaven Posted March 7, 2016 Posted March 7, 2016 3 minutes ago, VirginSmasher said: I never said horror couldn't work with ADV, but it fits better with NVL. A good example of this would Kara no Shoujo. It was an ADV centered VN with NVL scenes of murder. Those NVL scenes worked really well because they were descriptive and described the murders in graphic detail. In ADV, it wouldn't have worked as well in my opinion. Yes, Kara no Shoujo and also G-Senjou no Maou made good use of NVL for certain scenes. I definitely prefer ADV for the majority of text, but using NVL to emphasize a temporary POV switch works rather well. Quote
VirginSmasher Posted March 7, 2016 Posted March 7, 2016 So the poll is currently WA2 vs. Eustia. I voted for WA2, but the secret project Eustia has a good chance to win at this point. Arcadeotic 1 Quote
kingdomcome Posted March 7, 2016 Posted March 7, 2016 9 hours ago, VirginSmasher said: So the poll is currently WA2 vs. Eustia. I voted for WA2, but the secret project Eustia has a good chance to win at this point. I did the same. Eustia will win though. Quote
Toranth Posted March 8, 2016 Posted March 8, 2016 23 hours ago, Vorathiel said: Condition - no, but I would say it's much easier to do that in NVL. Tsukihime had a great 'direction' of text appearing, sometimes faster, sometimes slower, sometimes in the left side of screen, sometimes in the middle and it was really effective. Nasu is like the ee cummings of Visual Novels. He's creative, and Tsukihime is much more creative than Fate, and when he gets in the groove, the presentation gets wild and the scenes can just flow... but dear GOD, he needs a good editor. Tsukihime has many sections that a decent editor would have chopped, or shortened, or done something with to make more interesting. The original release of Kara no Kyokai needed work, too, but the final version was an excellent work. The major popularity of Fate over Tsukihime is, to me, proof that when someone edits his creations they work better. Quote
Down Posted March 8, 2016 Posted March 8, 2016 7 hours ago, Toranth said: Nasu is like the ee cummings of Visual Novels. He's creative, and Tsukihime is much more creative than Fate, and when he gets in the groove, the presentation gets wild and the scenes can just flow... but dear GOD, he needs a good editor. Tsukihime has many sections that a decent editor would have chopped, or shortened, or done something with to make more interesting. The original release of Kara no Kyokai needed work, too, but the final version was an excellent work. The major popularity of Fate over Tsukihime is, to me, proof that when someone edits his creations they work better. F/SN could feature under the definition of bloated but it's so huge it wouldn't fit. I don't think you can say Tsukihime needs trimming but F/SN doesn't. XReaper 1 Quote
Maxel Posted March 8, 2016 Author Posted March 8, 2016 My picks for the final: Baldr Sky and Dies Irae Quote
VirginSmasher Posted March 8, 2016 Posted March 8, 2016 28 minutes ago, Maxel said: My picks for the final: Baldr Sky and Dies Irae I'm voting Muramasa and Dies Irae personally. Those two need to be translated even if the tournament won't necessarily make that happen. Rose, FinalChaos and Kawasumi 3 Quote
Arcadeotic Posted March 8, 2016 Posted March 8, 2016 I'm going with Dies Irae and Muramasa Those two look like I'd enjoy them more from Bladr and Eustia VirginSmasher 1 Quote
Rose Posted March 8, 2016 Posted March 8, 2016 Muramasa vs Baldr should be a close one, I hope Muramasa wins though. Aiyoku vs Dies on the other hand should be a bit more one-sided. Quote
FinalChaos Posted March 8, 2016 Posted March 8, 2016 Dies Irae and Muramasa is where it's at. Then Dies Irae should go beat the hell out of CCC. Quote
VirginSmasher Posted March 8, 2016 Posted March 8, 2016 Just now, FinalChaos said: Dies Irae and Muramasa is where it's at. Then Dies Irae should go beat the hell out of CCC. It's probably gonna lose, people will be pissed off, and I'll be watching it all go down, wondering why people found this to be such a big deal. Hell, even the TM fans won't be happy because they probably don't realize that the winner isn't a for sure translation. Quote
Darklord Rooke Posted March 10, 2016 Posted March 10, 2016 Okay! Here we go! Baldr Sky vs Muramasa! Everybody needs to get their butts over there and vote Baldr Sky. Every time one of you votes Muramasa, Beelzebub snuffs out the life of an angel. And that angel will be reincarnated at some point in the future as a spirit both mischievous and cruel, a spirit who will torment your descendants mercilessly. Yeah? Got it? Good! Rose 1 Quote
VirginSmasher Posted March 10, 2016 Posted March 10, 2016 Just now, Rooke said: Okay! Here we go! Baldr Sky vs Muramasa! Everybody needs to get their butts over there and vote Baldr Sky. Every time one of you votes Muramasa, Beelzebub snuffs out the life of an angel. And that angel will be reincarnated at some point in the future as a spirit both mischievous and cruel and will torment your descendants mercilessly. Yeah? Got it? Good! Well, that's one angel's death and my eventual mental scarring happening. Quote
VirginSmasher Posted March 10, 2016 Posted March 10, 2016 28 minutes ago, Rooke said: Damn it! I'm sure you've got Cerulean on your side at least. Quote
VirginSmasher Posted March 10, 2016 Posted March 10, 2016 Just now, FinalChaos said: Nothing can stop Muramasa. Muahahahahaa Sure. Nothing can stop Muramasa... Quote
FinalChaos Posted March 10, 2016 Posted March 10, 2016 26 minutes ago, VirginSmasher said: Sure. Nothing can stop Muramasa... Well Muramasa is winning now..... Quote
VirginSmasher Posted March 10, 2016 Posted March 10, 2016 Just now, FinalChaos said: Well Muramasa is winning now..... It was tied for quite a while. This is a pretty even match. I don't think it'll be the same for Dies Irae vs. Eustia though. Quote
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