Random questions about things in VNs.

[Vorathiel]

I have so much of them, that I decided to start a thread.

Simply it's about - if you see things that you do not understad, but are pretty 'obvious' to characters in the game, and supposedly to a reader too, then ask.
And if a thread is not supposed to be there, rather than some different part, when we can talk about Japanesse culture, not exactly VNs, then I apologize, and feel free to remove/move it.

So I'll start.

1) Do you know why people in vns are sprinkling sidewalks with water? I've seen this in Hoshimemo and now in Kara no shoujo. Just why moist the pavement?

2) Peeing. Why so much of this? 3/4 of loli characters on vndb are engaging in 'peeing'. (and not only loli) Just why? is it consiered cute? Arousing?

[Nosebleed]

1) This is a practice in Japan called uchimizu. In streets during the summer it serves to cool the immediate area, keep down dust and also make it look nice. They mostly use rain water for this in order to not waste actual tap water.

Japan even made a guide on how to do it for foreigners: http://www.uchimizu.jp/language/en/

2) 3/4 of lolis? Wut? You must be playing games I've never seen because this is one of my fetishes and I hardly see it unless I actively look out for it.

As to why. Why not? Different people have different fetishes. I find it arousing, you might not, and that's okay.

I really don't think it's as common or as prevalent in VNs as you make it out to be though.

[Vorathiel]

2) Well, maybe I am just so (un)lucky.
But Mare in Hoshmemo fandisc, Hyiori in Imouto Paradise, or blonde in Imouto Banchou, to name the few just from top of my head. But I have yet to see 'older' girl in that situation.

[Nosebleed]

Again though it's probably just a momentary thing in one or two specific scenes and the reason it's there is probably because there's people who enjoy it. All those 3 games you listed mostly exist for the sake of catering to people's fetishes, so it shouldn't surprise you that sometimes they'll have scenes that may not be your cup of tea, but you just gotta put up with it sometimes.

If I could I'd also get rid of boobjobs, I hate boobjob scenes, it doesn't work in real life and always kills the mood for me when I see a scene with one, but I know a lot of people like them so I just have to accept the fact they're there and move on.

As for the factors that go into making peeing scenes arousing, in this case it seems to be mostly pleasure derived from the embarrassment  of someone wetting themselves.

If I may add my input, I personally prefer the scenes where they pee on their partner to assert dominance.  

[Satsuki]

Correction, "uchimizu" is not a Japanese thing. We do this in Vietnam in summer too. I think it's just the common thing in Asia.

[Deep Blue]

http://www.techinsider.io/russian-cleaning-trucks-spray-water-microclimates-2015-9

we have the same trucks here too in argentina, so yeah lowering the temperatures with water is a common thing in many countries, is not exactly the same as uchimizu but is the same concept.

the peeing thing is just a fetish like nosebleed said, which many many people enjoy   and I don't see it often just in nukige or novels with a very high amount of sexual content ( like fan-disc )

[Nosebleed]

34 minutes ago, Satsuki said:

Correction, "uchimizu" is not a Japanese thing. We do this in Vietnam in summer too. I think it's just the common thing in Asia.

While watering the streets might be a common thing in a lot of places, uchimizu is specifically a Japanese tradition. It's seen by the Japanese as combining usefulness, aesthetics and courtesy, values their culture cherishes.

In modern times people mostly water the streets as a measure against the heat though.

[Kosakyun]

2 hours ago, Satsuki said:

Correction, "uchimizu" is not a Japanese thing. We do this in Vietnam in summer too. I think it's just the common thing in Asia.

Never saw it being done in the Philippines. I guess we're pretty cheap.

Or we're just that poor. Either the two.

[Dergonu]

4 hours ago, Vorathiel said:

But I have yet to see 'older' girl in that situation.

Amane in Grisaia no kajitsu, Miyako in majikoi, Yuuna/Nanami in SonoHana and many more. I used to be completely disgusted by it myself but ... Suddenly one day I started enjoying it. I have been corrupted  

But yes, by some / many it is considered arousing. Also, for sadistic people it would be cute I guess, as the person is showing a side of themselves that is very private and embarrassing. 

[Nakajou]

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But I have yet to see 'older' girl in that situation.

Kokoro in MajiKoi S :3

[Kawasumi]

1 hour ago, Dergonu said:

Amane in Grisaia no kajitsu, Miyako in majikoi, Yuuna/Nanami in SonoHana and many more. I used to be completely disgusted by it myself but ... Suddenly one day I started enjoying it. I have been corrupted  

But yes, by some / many it is considered arousing. Also, for sadistic people it would be cute I guess, as the person is showing a side of themselves that is very private and embarrassing. 

As an IRL S, I can certainly approve that the arousement from peeing for the most part comes from the embarrassing factor (TBH im pretty sure that my embarrassment fetish comes from hentai lol) 

[DarkZedge]

6 hours ago, Dergonu said:

Amane in Grisaia no kajitsu, Miyako in majikoi, Yuuna/Nanami in SonoHana and many more. I used to be completely disgusted by it myself but ... Suddenly one day I started enjoying it. I have been corrupted  

you were born that way xD

[Dergonu]

49 minutes ago, DarkZedge said:

you were born that way xD

 

[DarkZedge]

48 minutes ago, Dergonu said:

 

[ChaosRaven]

16 hours ago, Vorathiel said:

2) Well, maybe I am just so (un)lucky.
But Mare in Hoshmemo fandisc, Hyiori in Imouto Paradise, or blonde in Imouto Banchou, to name the few just from top of my head. But I have yet to see 'older' girl in that situation.

Everything from Ricotta! Which means Princess Lover and the whole Walkure Romanze series. Most of their heroines are older girls or even young adults. It's pretty much their selling point (the older girls) and their H-scenes are extremely well drawn. Unfortunately, despite being just into vanilla content, they are amongst the biggest fans of water sports in the business, to a point that they could probably add a surfboard to their logo .

But they are certainly not the only ones with those scenes. It's fubar - for some reason this is considered a vanilla fetish in Japan and I've seen it in many other visual novels too. But none of them was so obsessed with it like Ricotta. I somehow resignated to a point that I can at least just go over these scene parts without getting too upset about them, but it's still kind of frustrating that you can't switch them off in the options.

Still, at least they keep it at simple watching and don't lower themselves to 'drinking' like the Sono Hanabira series.

[CeruleanGamer]

12 hours ago, KosakiFag said:

Never saw it being done in the Philippines. I guess we're pretty cheap.

Or we're just that poor. Either the two.

We are so broke, we take a shower using fire hydrants, only when it rains, and worse.... sewage water. I remember my grandma telling me stories about her childhood and the harshness of life in there. 

[Chuee]

11 hours ago, Dergonu said:

Amane in Grisaia no kajitsu, Miyako in majikoi, Yuuna/Nanami in SonoHana and many more. I used to be completely disgusted by it myself but ... Suddenly one day I started enjoying it. I have been corrupted  

But yes, by some / many it is considered arousing. Also, for sadistic people it would be cute I guess, as the person is showing a side of themselves that is very private and embarrassing. 

Most of those are for more fetish-y characters. Most piss scenes involving lolis are for the embarrassment factor (they'll start to tear up or cry after doing it). 

As far as non-nukige goes a lot of piss scenes involve loli or really petite characters. 

https://vndb.org/c24597

https://vndb.org/c577

https://vndb.org/c3930

https://vndb.org/c1793

https://vndb.org/c912

https://vndb.org/c5499

https://vndb.org/c9359

https://vndb.org/c17038

https://vndb.org/c788

 

[Vorathiel]

Questions, questions.

3) Many VNs doesn't care about mobile phones, because it's simplier to write a relationship story without them. But sometimes they're present, and people exchange messages. However every single time they are tezxting, they are sending e-mails. Is it a translations fault? Or in Japan people really have internet connection everywhere they go? Do they even heard about SMS? Everytime they even exchange their numbers, they always also exchange mail adresses. It is bugging me. Please help.

4) Patting head. VNs taught me that Japanesse people are really shy in public, and self conscious about body and touching others. So no hugs to comfort other person, etc. The only one physical contact they tend to not mind is patting head. To show gratitude, to simply show that they are animals/kids/slaves that are unable to stand on par as human beings, and always person receiving the mighty pat is smiling like a 'stupid at cheese'. Is it 'a thing' in Japan? Do people really like to do and receive that? To me it seems realy odd, how come anybody would like to humiliate itself (we're talking about Japan, where everything seems to be embarassing) as a lesser human being.

[Nosebleed]

3) In Japan sending messages through the internet is pretty much a standard. Apps like LINE are really big in Japan. Their mobile data plans are amazing, that's why you see them sending e-mails instead of regular texts in anime. Yes, regular text messages exist, but they prefer using mobile data since you can do a lot more with it.

4) No, that's not how Japanese people are, I don't know what gave you that idea. They're normal human beings that can give affection like everyone else. Public displays of affection might be less frequent, but things like hugs and the like aren't some strange concept. Also, being patted on the head isn't looking down on someone, I don't know where you learned that, but it's a sign of affection in many places. It's usually only done to small children though.

I think you're extrapolating what characters do in VNs into what Japanese people do in real life. Here's a valuable lesson: don't assume Japanese people behave the way their games portray them. Games are fictional, they're full of idealistic tropes, and you should not assume real life works like that.

[Fred the Barber]

This is kind of by the wayside, but I am completely serious here: having your head rubbed by someone towards whom you feel affection feels great. The anime/VN hype for that particular display of affection is real.

[Vorathiel]

19 minutes ago, Nosebleed said:

I think you're extrapolating what characters do in VNs into what Japanese people do in real life. Here's a valuable lesson: don't assume Japanese people behave the way their games portray them. Games are fictional, they're full of idealistic tropes, and you should not assume real life works like that.

Oh, obviously. I didn't even assumed that somebody would take that literally. For me those concepts are completly odd, but maybe in Japan are looked at as 'proper' or something like that. I know that people in Japan are in fact reall people, but tropes in games aren't took out of nowhere, there must be some credibility to that.

21 minutes ago, Nosebleed said:

4) I don't know what gave you that idea. (...) things like hugs and the like aren't some strange concept. Also, being patted on the head isn't looking down on someone, I don't know where you learned that, but it's a sign of affection in many places. It's usually only done to small children though.

Well, most of the VNs. Almost every single time when girl is sad or disturbed, protag isn't hugging her, he is simply putting hands on her shoulders and hold her like that.
Patting itself isn't 'looking down' on someone. But it gives you in position of lesser/higher being. Like child to father, like pet to person. And while patting is usually done to child/loli characters, sometimes even 'regular ones' (big sisters in Grisaia in Majikoi) are receiving that and are happy as puppy. 

[Nosebleed]

1 minute ago, Vorathiel said:

Well, most of the VNs. Almost every single time when girl is sad or disturbed, protag isn't hugging her, he is simply putting hands on her shoulders and hold her like that.
Patting itself isn't 'looking down' on someone. But it gives you in position of lesser/higher being. Like child to father, like pet to person. And while patting is usually done to child/loli characters, sometimes even 'regular ones' (big sisters in Grisaia in Majikoi) are receiving that and are happy as puppy. 

Well, depending on the relationship, hugging might not be something they're comfortable with. I only hug someone when I know for sure they're not going to be weirded out by it. I've hugged a crying friend once, but only because I noticed she was already leaning towards me, indicating it was okay for me to do it.

As for the patting, I think you're looking at it too objectively or you already have some really biased view of what patting someone entails. Yes, it's more of an action you do to a small child, but if an older character person someone of similar age on the head, it can still make them feel happy, especially if it's someone they like. Being patted on the head is a sign of affection regardless of age. There's also the possibility of it being for fetishistic purposes, but that's probably not the most common case.

It does not automatically give you the position of a lesser being, it just means the person patting you on the head dotes on you. Yeah sure there are situations in which it can be done jokingly or with the intent of actually lowering someone's position, but I think in the cases you're pointing out it's just a simple sign of affection that doesn't imply any sort of hierarchy like that.

[Vorathiel]

3 minutes ago, Fred the Barber said:

This is kind of by the wayside, but I am completely serious here: having your head rubbed by someone towards whom you feel affection feels great. The anime/VN hype for that particular display of affection is real.

Agree...sort of. When hugging, like that:

That hand on head its awesome, it gives the vibe of protection, etc.

But in most situations in VNs I've read, it is like this:


Two characters staying with some distance between them. Not too much tenderness, just simple patting.

[Fred the Barber]

Ahh, I think you have the wrong idea somewhat. I don't have a visual ready to hand, but the gesture you see in anime and VNs is more prolonged than the second one, and more of a gentle rubbing than a patting gesture. In the US, there's an affectionate gesture towards kids called ruffling their hair - it seems to be not quite the same as that (again, a little gentler), but much closer to that than to the second image you posted there.

[Vorathiel]

2 minutes ago, Fred the Barber said:

Ahh, I think you have the wrong idea somewhat. I don't have a visual ready to hand, but the gesture you see in anime and VNs is more prolonged than the second one, and more of a gentle rubbing than a patting gesture. In the US, there's an affectionate gesture towards kids called ruffling their hair - it seems to be not quite the same as that (again, a little gentler), but much closer to that than to the second image you posted there.

Well... I took the only one non japan'ish picture I found :v 

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Still problem stays - or rather - thing that bugs me and I can't do anything about it, because it is what it is. It still looks like distant and rather cold action from master to somebody 'below'. Boys/men never get their head rubbed, right? It's always the shorter, smaller person. It's bugging me, but it is what it is, sigh. I will just close my mind everytime scene like this appears.