Had to share John Oliver's takedown of Hollywood (Opinions?)

[Black Sands Entertainment]

34 minutes ago, Kurisu-Chan said:

Plz Babi, Arabian nights are probably the only good depiction in the west about the arabic country, don't try to even ruin that.

 

Now, we live in a world where a certain kind of person, let's name them the world rulers, uses racism as a way to divide a society into multiple groups,that way, it's easier for them to control the whole masses.

Racism isn't natural, we are not born racist, we become racist, because of a wide array of things : the cultural depiction of the ennemy (back in 1940 for example, japanese were evil, nowaday, who don't own a waifu?  ) there's also the born of hatred because of certain groups (mostly, the racist minority that makes a conflict escalade) and many, many other reasons why humans are stupid to still use the racial identity.

 

Let's just share one thing, in the ancient world, greeks, romans, persians, carthagenese, weren't judged by their race, because in that time it meant nothing, yes, i think it, the ancient world was less racist and less violent than our actual world. 

 

My Arab, Gilgamesh

[Kurisu-Chan]

Alexander the great was a very open minded dictator actually, he loved to embrace the different cultures of all his conquests.

 

What i mean is, as long as you act like a greek, you are a greek, same with the romans. 

[Black Sands Entertainment]

Just now, Kurisu-Chan said:

Alexander the great was a very open minded dictator actually, he loved to embrace the different cultures of all his conquests.

 

What i mean is, as long as you act like a greek, you are a greek, same with the romans. 

very true. There were plenty of African Romans.

[Darklord Rooke]

2 hours ago, Kurisu-Chan said:

yes, i think it, the ancient world was less racist and less violent than our actual world. 

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You're a funny guy, Kurisu.

[Black Sands Entertainment]

2 minutes ago, Rooke said:

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You're a funny guy, Kurisu.

I kind of side with Kurusu on this. Think about it this way. In the ancient world, if you sucked at fighting, you sat your ass at home and kept the peace. Now any bum on the street can shoot someone.

The straight ease of killing is so simple now that anyone can be a killer. Before, there were people who "wish a brotha would" and no one would because they knew damn well, they could do nothing.

[Darklord Rooke]

22 minutes ago, Black Sands Entertainment said:

I kind of side with Kurusu on this. Think about it this way. In the ancient world, if you sucked at fighting, you sat your ass at home and kept the peace. Now any bum on the street can shoot someone.

Err, no, in the Ancient world if you sucked at fighting you'd probably end up killed in a gruesome manner and dumped in a pit.

Lets take a quick run through cultures. Ancient Inca - mass violent sacrifices of a significant portion of their population to appease the Gods. Ancient Rome, tortured criminals through bloodsports (tortured Catholics also, but we won't get started on that,) used violence as one of the means to control the population. Ancient Egypt, glorified the violent nature of their Queens, and would lash their slaves with spears when they felt like it. 1 in 6 stone age people suffered from gruesome head wounds. And even in peaceful societies, do remember how the ancient world kept people peaceful - through executions and (most likely) a head on the spike.

It may seem like there's more violence today than at any point in history, but that's because there's 7 billion people roaming the planet whereas a couple of thousand years ago there was 300 million. Which means for there to be an equivalent amount of violence today, there'd need to be 23 times more violence than 2,000 years ago, and that's a laughable figure considering how violent those civilisations actually were.

EDIT: And we haven’t even started talking about violence towards women. That’s a whole subject by itself. Remember, no women's rights at that point, no civil rights either.

[Darklord Rooke]

Sorry, confused the Inca with the Aztec. It was the Aztec who sacrifices great swathes of their population. 10,000 people a year? The gruesome fact is it's probably higher. 10,000 people in a single incident? It's been reported so.

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I'm always a bit skeptical about historical "progressist" claims that seem too obvious. Of course I don't have the massive amounts of historical knowledge that would be required to properly try to decide whether or not the world used to be more violent, but it doesn't seem completely obvious to me. Most of the knowledge we have of ancient civilizations come from fiction so it's kinda hard to separate the truth from the myth.

For example, it's true that the Aztecs had this remarkably violent and massive-scale practice of human sacrifice, but it's a striking oddity in the swathes of pre-colonization american cultures, as far as I know. Iirc some studies suggested that they had a major starvation issue, and human sacrifice was a sort of solution in the form of demographic regulation and meat provider.

And if we go further back, it seems like violent behavior starts mainly from the neolithic period, i.e. when settlement occurs. Despite images we could have of "violent savage people" in the paleolithic age, the little evidence we have doesn't seem to agree with that.

Of course other questions can arise like "what do we count as violence", etc...

[babiker]

You also can't really generalize neither the ancient world nor the one we live in today. It varies quite extremely between different places at the same time. I remember Ibn Battuta (a traveler during mid evil times) went to some islands to the south of India where people were so peaceful, they all fainted when they saw someone's hand being chopped off. Yes that's not from ancient times, but we know so little about those times that I would hesitate to make such a large claim as "Ancient times were more peaceful/less violent than now". Our knowledge of those times is mostly restricted to parts of Europe and the Middle East, I'm surprised Rooke even mentioned the Aztecs/Incas (although I'm not sure how old those Civilizations go :P)