The Flowers demo is a hot mess

[sanahtlig]

6 hours ago, Dionysus42 said:

Mangagamer's failures are in areas incidental to their products, like marketing. JAST's flaws are more severe because they affect the basic quality of their releases. 

Depends where you fall on DRM.  Some customers will only buy hardcopies, and MangaGamer is inconsistent with those.  In addition, they make pre-order customers pay twice (once for the digital version, once for the hardcopy version).  This has always been a source of irritation to me.  JAST's digital versions have no DRM at all, and they make physical copies available at launch for every major release (with the digital version being sent out to all customers first, in some cases).  JAST is also the only remaining English publisher to sell Steam keys with their adult releases.  Yes, that matters to some.

All in all, I see JAST's policies as more consumer-friendly, even if the quality of their releases has been slipping as of late.

[Down]

JAST hired people to try to fix this mess (it even reached japanese twitter so I guess they managed to care for once), and it seems like one of the two TLCs will be @meru:

Let's hope they manage to do something in a month.

[VirginSmasher]

6 minutes ago, Down said:

JAST hired people to try to fix this mess (it even reached japanese twitter so I guess they managed to care for once), and it seems like one of the two TLCs will be @meru:

Let's hope they manage to do something in a month.

Awesome to hear that they hired people who know what they're doing. I don't know what they will be able to do in a month, but I hope they manage to put out something worth reading.

[sanahtlig]

Are the problems with Flowers really something that a blind TLC pass can fix, though?  It's better than nothing I guess?  Maybe?

[Darklord Rooke]

Just now, VirginSmasher said:

I don't know what they will be able to do in a month, but I hope they manage to put out something worth reading.

It's supposed to be out in March, right? That's not enough time. It doesn't matter how big a team they can put on it, unless they push back the release date what they'll put out will have problems.

I actually feel a bit sorry for Meru ...

1 minute ago, sanahtlig said:

Are the problems with Flowers really something that a blind TLC pass can fix, though?  It's better than nothing I guess?  Maybe?

Theoretically there's nothing wrong with doing a TLC pass to fix errors, provided the translators they hire are proficient in Japanese. In practice it causes problems merely because translators translate in different ways, but if they're just focusing on accuracy it should be feasible they can fix most errors. Provided they have enough time, and provided they understand the original TL's style, and provided *insert a whole bunch of other stuff.*

[Vorathiel]

Well, that's some good news. I have faith.

[Decay]

Yeah, sorry, but I don't have much faith. I mean, it's nice that they're trying, but is this really going to be enough? I hope so... but I think I've run out of faith by this point.

[Dionysus42]

It seems like they're flailing about because they didn't expect such a response to the demo. I don't think we can expect much beyond "acceptable" at best unless there is another delay, and from what people are saying it's likely that this deadline is being forced by Innocent Grey directly. 

And now they've announced a delay: http://follow.jastusa.com/post/140437762521/flowersdelay

[Decay]

Welp, it was delayed. http://follow.jastusa.com/post/140437762521/flowersdelay

[Dergonu]

4 minutes ago, Decay said:

Welp, it was delayed. http://follow.jastusa.com/post/140437762521/flowersdelay?utm_content=buffer54477&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

Thank GOD... 

Although it´s slightly irritating to have to wait even longer, if they are able to salvage this and actually release a working translation, that alone will make me happy agian  

We need more good, quality yuri VNs translated, and from what I gather, this is one of them. 

Really hope they get their shit together and get this thing fixed for the new release. 

[Darklord Rooke]

Good news  

Waiting longer for JAST titles is no longer a surprise, anyway  

[Arcadeotic]

Well, this delay was certainly needed

We'll have to wait for it longer, but it's not like I was hyping thi game in the first place

We'll see how this plays out

[MercyZombie]

Called it! Kind of... okay, not really since I added "but probably not". But I almost did!

I usually complain about Jast taking their sweet time but they really didn't have much of a choice here. Hopefully they will keep better track of the actual status of their products in the future.

[VirginSmasher]

It's good that they delayed this release. JAST loves to take a long time with their releases and then they try an earlier release and you get that demo. Good on them for actually delaying it so they can try to put out a good release.

[Fred the Barber]

You know, this is the only time I have ever seen a game delay announcement result in universal approval, and I can't say I see it happening ever again. I shall savor this moment.

I'm happy about the delay too

[Vorathiel]

6 hours ago, Fred the Barber said:

You know, this is the only time I have ever seen a game delay announcement result in universal approval, and I can't say I see it happening ever again. I shall savor this moment.

I'm happy about the delay too

Maybe this whole mess was done on purpose to get away with unstopable delay?

[VirginSmasher]

35 minutes ago, Vorathiel said:

Maybe this whole mess was done on purpose to get away with unstopable delay?

I highly doubt that JAST would be willing to follow through with that. 

[ChaosRaven]

7 minutes ago, VirginSmasher said:

I highly doubt that JAST would be willing to follow through with that. 

Who knows? We're talking about Jast, the company that intentionally licensed the most extreme fetish eroge they could find on the market, just to censor all the hardcore content out of it... 

[VirginSmasher]

Just now, ChaosRaven said:

Who knows? We're talking about Jast, the company that intentionally licensed the most extreme fetish eroge they could find on the market, just to censor all the hardcore content out of it... 

That's not smart planning. It's just pure stupidity.

[sanahtlig]

31 minutes ago, ChaosRaven said:

Who knows? We're talking about Jast, the company that intentionally licensed the most extreme fetish eroge they could find on the market, just to censor all the hardcore content out of it... 

Hey, that line is trademarked.

[Darklord Rooke]

New demo out but Meru's changes haven't been included. So quality will still not be indicative of final product, not that much can be read into it and ... I don't actually know why they've released it at this stage, tbh ... :S

I guess it will be comforting to some to show that the text is being continuously improved upon?

[VirginSmasher]

16 minutes ago, Rooke said:

New demo out but Meru's changes haven't been included. So quality will still not be indicative of final product, not that much can be read into it and ... I don't actually know why they've released it at this stage, tbh ... :S

I guess it will be comforting to some to show that the text is being continuously improved upon?

At least they're trying to improve the quality instead of releasing it how it was.

[Darklord Rooke]

21 minutes ago, VirginSmasher said:

At least they're trying to improve the quality instead of releasing it how it was.

True. Anyway, I just wanted to emphasise that Meru’s fixes were not included in this update before people tried it and started making assumptions. Pretty understandable assumptions as well, because demos are supposed to be indicative of the final product … in a perfect world anyway (I'm looking at you, 'Aliens: Colonial Marines')

[VirginSmasher]

1 hour ago, Rooke said:

True. Anyway, I just wanted to emphasise that Meru’s fixes were not included in this update before people tried it and started making assumptions. Pretty understandable assumptions as well, because demos are supposed to be indicative of the final product … in a perfect world anyway (I'm looking at you, 'Aliens: Colonial Marines')

Yeah. We don't want any more salt in this thread from people who didn't understand that fact.

[Scorp]

But no one ever care about technical things I mentioned in this thread. Too bad, as in the actual game it would be accompanied with lagging music in the gameplay (do not tell me that only I experience the lagging music when going in settings in demo).