Why is it that nobody open a English VN store/Studio in Japan?

[Silvz]

isn't double posting, rage posting and loli defense against the forums rules?

The non-japanese market for VNs is way smaller than the japanese one, Nekolover. Also the demand for loli and other specific content may be too low to actually make developers try to bring it to the west.

Most countries are against loli content not because it is sexual, but because it is heavily related to children pornography. Even though they tried to IP lock their content, the people who would buy them is not worth it, by a company point of view.

Btw, you're on the internet. You can easily get the content you desire on it, you just need to search better. That goes for your questions too, some can be answered on google. Just try it!

isn't @Rooke famous for his discussions with people [in a good way]? Where is he?

[Kawasumi]

1 minute ago, Nekolover said:

Now you are contradicting yourself.  You say no but then say I never say I was unwilling but now proceed to be a kid. 

Either answer the  question being ask or make it clear you are not willing to answer say question. Instead of going around in circles. Like now.

no im not.

I did answer your questions to the best of my abilities

[Nekolover]

16 minutes ago, Silvz said:

isn't double posting, rage posting and loli defense against the forums rules?

The non-japanese market for VNs is way smaller than the japanese one, Nekolover. Also the demand for loli and other specific content may be too low to actually make developers try to bring it to the west.

Most countries are against loli content not because it is sexual, but because it is heavily related to children pornography. Even though they tried to IP lock their content, the people who would buy them is not worth it, by a company point of view.

Btw, you're on the internet. You can easily get the content you desire on it, you just need to search better. That goes for your questions too, some can be answered on google. Just try it!

 

I have not double posted or rage. I ask a question.  The loli subject is a minor part of the whole thing I say.  In which case, I was referring to my tasted in games.   Isn't the whole point of a forum to have a discussion or answer questions? 

 

15 minutes ago, Kawasumi said:

no im not.

I did answer your questions to the best of my abilities

 

Sure you did.

[Darklord Rooke]

6 minutes ago, Silvz said:

isn't @Rooke famous for his discussions with people [in a good way]? Where is he?

I'm famous in wha? :S

Anyway I haven't been reading this thread cause it's full of stupidity. That being said, insults are also starting to fly so maybe some people would like to start thinking about locking it.

[Silvz]

5 minutes ago, Rooke said:

I'm famous in wha? :S

Anyway I haven't been reading this thread cause it's full of stupidity. That being said, insults are also starting to fly so maybe some people would like to start thinking about locking it.

Idk, I recall someone saying that you always discuss with people, so I thought it would be interesting to summon you

I'm just bored in life

[Eclipsed]

This is getting spammy, removed l0lanothernekothread posts, moved this thread to CoC, have fun all, try not to kill each other.

[Valmore]

Because Riboflavin.

[Darklord Rooke]

15 minutes ago, Eclipsed said:

This is getting spammy, removed l0lanothernekothread posts, moved this thread to CoC, have fun all, try not to kill each other.

Thank you!

[sanahtlig]

1 hour ago, Zalor said:

Something I do sometimes wonder is why don't Western developers who know Japanese make games for the Japanese market, since the Japanese market is so much larger than the english one.

Because the market is highly competitive and even established, successful Japanese companies are struggling to stay afloat.  That's why they're expanding overseas.  The domestic market is overcrowded.

[Darklord Rooke]

49 minutes ago, Silvz said:

Idk, I recall someone saying that you always discuss with people, so I thought it would be interesting to summon you

I'm just bored in life

Ah. While I don't exactly know what you're referring to, lately I'm transferred most of my discussion to Kaguya's phase group. In fact, if you talk to people on that group they'll probably say I've been talking far TOO much and it's likely they wish I'd stop  

[ittaku]

This seems to be going the way of Nekolover's last thread.

Can anyone tell me what the common feature between these threads is?

 

[Zalor]

1 hour ago, sanahtlig said:

Because the market is highly competitive and even established, successful Japanese companies are struggling to stay afloat.  That's why they're expanding overseas.  The domestic market is overcrowded.

While this is true, I see it as a risk/reward thing. Even if the Japanese market is over-saturated, it is still none the less larger. Meaning that if you were to create an original work that were to succeed, it would be very profitable. Furthermore, as a foreigner you could offer different perspectives on things, which is very helpful for sticking out from the crowd. For instance, take this German Mangaka who publishes Japanese manga: video interview. Honestly, her work does not seem that interesting to me. But simply for offering a foreign perspective on things, it is doing commercially well. I think a similar thing could happen for the Japanese eroge market. 

Furthermore, rather recently I was speaking to a friend I made here in Japan about anime, Vns, etc. Although he only casually plays VNs, he told me he downloaded Katawa Shoujo. Katawa Shoujo has gained some traction in Japan for being a western VN. I think Japanese are curious what westerns have to offer when they express themselves in Japanese mediums like VNs and manga. Its a fresh perspective for them. 

 

3 hours ago, Rooke said:

Unless you're very fluent in Japanese, please don't try and write in that language. Considering writing is a completely different skill to speaking and even fluent native speakers will often screw up the process ...

It's safer to just stick to your own market, even if that market is smaller.

It wouldn't be easy, but masterpieces have been written by authors writing in a foreign language. Joseph Conrad, one of the greatest writers in the English language was Polish. Furthermore, I believe Nabokov translated Lolita from Russian to English himself. So writing well in a foreign language can be done if you are dedicated enough to it.

 

[Darklord Rooke]

5 minutes ago, Zalor said:

It wouldn't be easy, but masterpieces have been written by authors writing in a foreign language. Joseph Conrad, one of the greatest writers in the English language was Polish. Furthermore, I believe Nabokov translated Lolita from Russian to English himself. So writing well in a foreign language can be done if you are dedicated enough to it.

What you don't mention is that Nabokov had a command of the English language that surpassed most native speakers. So if a person knows Japanese to that extent then sure they should go for it.

Keep in mind that a writers command of a language exceeds that of a normal speaker of a language, so to write in a language you should be (should be) considered better than fluent.

[Zalor]

Just now, Rooke said:

What you don't mention is that Nabokov had a command of the English language that surpassed most native speakers. So if a person knows Japanese to that extent then sure they should go for it.

Keep in mind that a writers command of a language exceeds that of a normal speaker of a language, so to write in a language you should be (should be) considered to be better than fluent.

I agree with this, and I think this goes without saying. I'm just making the argument that it can be done, and I think that if somebody were ambitious enough to learn Japanese well enough to write well in it, I think it could be profitable for them. (Actually, a part of me is interested in possibly doing this myself one day. Obviously I still have a while to go though. But who knows, maybe one day ;p)

[Darklord Rooke]

6 minutes ago, Zalor said:

(Actually, a part of me is interested in possibly doing this myself one day. Obviously I still have a while to go though. But who knows, maybe one day ;p)

Good luck with it  

[iamnoob]

I'm beginning to think he's a troll... nobody can be this amazingly..... amazing.

[TexasDice]

9 hours ago, Nekolover said:

I have not double posted

 

[Forgetful Frank]

I couldn't stop reading this because the cringe was so bad...

[Nosebleed]

8 hours ago, Rooke said:

What you don't mention is that Nabokov had a command of the English language that surpassed most native speakers. So if a person knows Japanese to that extent then sure they should go for it.

Keep in mind that a writers command of a language exceeds that of a normal speaker of a language, so to write in a language you should be (should be) considered better than fluent.

The thing is most Japanese VNs are written like rpg dialogues with very simple and repetitive sentence structures. It really doesn't take that much to write your average Japanese eroge, and certainly doesn't take more than your typical native level grasp on the language. It's no surprise that most Japanese VN writers are simply freelancers hired for a specific project and not full time authors, because most of them just stick to guidelines to create some kind of story that'll touch otaku's dicks more than anything. So really, if you wanted to make a VN in Japan, you could easily do that and just hire an artist to do the CGs for you, that's how most of them do it. Of course that doesn't mean your story will sell a lot, but the point is that you really don't need to be an experienced writer to make your run of the mill Japanese VN, because most of them read the exact same.

[Darklord Rooke]

Huh.

That ... sounds disappointing, TBH  

[Nosebleed]

38 minutes ago, Rooke said:

Huh.

That ... sounds disappointing, TBH  

This is not to say there's no variety or that there aren't good stories, it's just that in terms of writing quality, Japanese VNs really read mostly the same, and they mostly sound like typical game dialogue, with the exceptions being those games nobody will ever translate like Albatross. They're created with the audience in mind and their goal is not to be the next Nabokov book but to attract readers that want their tropes on a silver platter.

This isn't a problem with VNs specifically either. Manga and light novels suffer from the same thing. Manga has the excuse of the limitations imposed by the format of course, but LNs don't, yet most of them really feel like they're written by people who just want an outlet to put their tropes on rather than somebody who wants to write a proper novel. 

Rule of thumb: if you want proper Japanese literature, do not look at otaku related stuff. Of course there's a few exceptions; Nisioisin, for example, is a well renowned LN writer and his writing actually stands out from the rest, hence why so many people praise Bakemonogatari. After owning one of his books myself, I finally understood the hype as well, it's like night and day compared to any other LN you might find. But in general, it's just tropes after tropes after tropes with not much effort put into the writing itself.

[john 'mr. customer' smith]

3 hours ago, Nosebleed said:

This is not to say there's no variety or that there aren't good stories, it's just that in terms of writing quality, Japanese VNs really read mostly the same, and they mostly sound like typical game dialogue, with the exceptions being those games nobody will ever translate like Albatross. They're created with the audience in mind and their goal is not to be the next Nabokov book but to attract readers that want their tropes on a silver platter.

This isn't a problem with VNs specifically either. Manga and light novels suffer from the same thing. Manga has the excuse of the limitations imposed by the format of course, but LNs don't, yet most of them really feel like they're written by people who just want an outlet to put their tropes on rather than somebody who wants to write a proper novel. 

Rule of thumb: if you want proper Japanese literature, do not look at otaku related stuff. Of course there's a few exceptions; Nisioisin, for example, is a well renowned LN writer and his writing actually stands out from the rest, hence why so many people praise Bakemonogatari. After owning one of his books myself, I finally understood the hype as well, it's like night and day compared to any other LN you might find. But in general, it's just tropes after tropes after tropes with not much effort put into the writing itself.

Doesn't that basically apply to all forms of media though? Casual consumers of most media generally only get to see the really good stuff, whereas hardcore consumers get to see just how much pandering mediocrity it contains. Anyway, what about stuff like dies irae and muramasa? Not that I've read them.

 

Edited July 25, 2016 by john 'mr. customer' smith

[Darklord Rooke]

4 hours ago, john 'mr. customer' smith said:

Doesn't that basically apply to all forms of media though? Casual consumers of most media generally only get to see the really good stuff, whereas hardcore consumers get to see just how much pandering mediocrity it contains. Anyway, what about stuff like dies irae and muramasa? Not that I've read them.

Not to the extent that Nosebleed seems to be talking about. As for Dies Irae and Muramasa:

7 hours ago, Nosebleed said:

Of course there's a few exceptions;