Kuma Posted November 10, 2016 Posted November 10, 2016 9 minutes ago, Zenophilious said: Wow, it's almost like saying, "We should start WW3" will always be taken the wrong way, and pretty much anyone should have known that! Hell, that's almost basic logic! Try thinking before you say something like that next time. Ok, next time I'll use "we might be in need of a non-nuclear global crisis". You're right saying, that way it sounds not as bad. But I somehow think I need to explain myself again. That post of mine was not intended to be taken serious. My concerns are true but exaggerated to prove my points, please think of it as a twisted form of satire. While you might be right, your wording is kinda off. Critizising the thought process of some people voicing their opinions, as twisted as those opinions may be, can be seen as arrogant. No offence intended Quote
Kuma Posted November 10, 2016 Posted November 10, 2016 1 minute ago, Zenophilious said: Even so, you did an extremely piss-poor job of making it obvious to the point where you probably shouldn't have said anything at all We really should stop here. Us two derailed this topic pretty heavy ^^" Let's agree to disagree and depart our ways, alright? Quote
Erogamer Posted November 10, 2016 Posted November 10, 2016 Trump is not a racist so stop making assumptions that things will be bad for minorities. If anything they will be better. We have had more division during Obama's regime than I have ever seen before. That should change now. As far as immigrants their will be no problem as long as they are here legaly. If you have not gone through thew process to become a citizen then you are a criminal and should not be here. I don't know about how other feel about their countries, but I want mine to keep it's sovereignty. Quote
bigfatround0 Posted November 10, 2016 Posted November 10, 2016 11 minutes ago, Erogamer said: Trump is not a racist so stop making assumptions that things will be bad for minorities. If anything they will be better. We have had more division during Obama's regime than I have ever seen before. That should change now. As far as immigrants their will be no problem as long as they are here legaly. If you have not gone through thew process to become a citizen then you are a criminal and should not be here. I don't know about how other feel about their countries, but I want mine to keep it's sovereignty. In what ways has Obama divided us? Quote
proxygames Posted November 10, 2016 Posted November 10, 2016 42 minutes ago, Erogamer said: Trump is not a racist so stop making assumptions that things will be bad for minorities. If anything they will be better. We have had more division during Obama's regime than I have ever seen before. That should change now. As far as immigrants their will be no problem as long as they are here legaly. If you have not gone through thew process to become a citizen then you are a criminal and should not be here. I don't know about how other feel about their countries, but I want mine to keep it's sovereignty. Trump is racist to certain groups. For example he wants to build a wall so not immigrants can come in. I don't agree they should be here illegally. However due note, America makes it difficult for people to come in here. And no, Obama didn't divide anyone. He didn't do much as a president, but he didn't cause people to fight as much as they are now. This election is what has divided people due to the candidates. And sorry, when I see a guy who is hiring a vice president who wants to 'fix' gays and agrees with him, it's hard for me to not believe he's anti something. While I do agree with certain things, I find this man and Hilary to be horrible candidates. Obama was better then both. Quote
Kenshin_sama Posted November 10, 2016 Posted November 10, 2016 20 minutes ago, Erogamer said: Trump is not a racist I would argue otherwise. Trump did not condemn the KKK in light of David Duke's endorsement, he claimed a judge would be biased against him because he was Mexican, his company was sued for not renting to black people, etc. These are just some of the ways he's displayed racism as both a business man and politician, I could go into greater detail if I wanted. 29 minutes ago, Erogamer said: We have had more division during Obama's regime than I have ever seen before. You're entirely right, and it is for this reason I'm very frustrated with the Democratic Party. Rather than stand on their own principles, they've decided to move closer to center in an attempt to match up with Republicans. This trend, which has been started by the infamous Bill Clinton, has created a lot of division within the party and they no longer hold the power they use to. In this election, they have gone to lengths to drag down political outsiders who sought to reform their operations, and have made a consistent effort to ignore their constituents. Is it any wonder they're in shambles right now? Say what you want about Bernie Sanders' policies, at least he listens to people. Also, I think we'd be better off focusing on other issues. I do acknowledge that there is a problem with undocumented immigrants, but at the same time that number has gone down in recent years, and I kinda sorta sympathize with them. There are those that are here legally that will inevitably be separated from their undocumented parents if they're deported. More importantly, I believe it would be more productive to encourage businesses to stop looking at their workers as costs and treat them more as assets and stop throwing their jobs overseas (Virgin has the right idea). But we can't rely on businesses to do the right thing, so we need regulations that will help restore the middle class. Quote
Tyr Posted November 10, 2016 Posted November 10, 2016 25 minutes ago, Kenshin_sama said: Say what you want about Bernie Sanders' policies, at least he listens to people. Like he's listening to the people who want a refund after he sold them out? 47 minutes ago, proxygames said: This election is what has divided people due to the candidates. No, it's the other way around. This election happened precisely because the country that Obama left behind is so divided. Quote
Kenshin_sama Posted November 10, 2016 Posted November 10, 2016 4 minutes ago, Tyrosyn said: Like he's listening to the people who want a refund after he sold them out? Why do you believe he was selling out? Most of his supporters did vote for Hillary. Quote
Tyr Posted November 10, 2016 Posted November 10, 2016 3 minutes ago, Kenshin_sama said: Why do you believe he was selling out? Most of his supporters did vote for Hillary. Yes, that's why Hillary is President now ... ... oh, wait... No, they didn't. Bernie supporters voted for Trump because they actually cared for what Bernie had to say which was the polar opposite of what Hillary represents and they didn't want her to win after Bernie sold them out. Bernie betrayed his ideals, betrayed all of his fans and used their donation money to buy himself a summer house. I can't believe some people are still shilling him after all he did. Quote
Kenshin_sama Posted November 10, 2016 Posted November 10, 2016 11 minutes ago, Tyrosyn said: Bernie supporters voted for Trump Some of them did, but not the majority. Whether you agree with them or not, this is how they voted. Bernie Sanders did what he thought was best for the American people. I do not believe he is a sellout. Edit: He spent his own personal money on that house, not his donation money. He's been a Senator for a very long time, so he can very easily afford something like that. It wasn't particularly luxurious either, and I think he deserves it. Quote
Jun Inoue Posted November 11, 2016 Posted November 11, 2016 6 hours ago, Tyrosyn said: If SJWs, Feminist, BLM or other hategroups weren't so obnoxious smugglypuffs in the last years, there would have been no need for punishment votes. Clinton voters have no one else to blame than themselves. You reap what you sow. You don't understand what the punishment vote is and where it comes from. The hate towards those "groups" is a thing of the Internet and teenagers, mostly. It's like saying that every time the Democrats win it's due to the KKK and the alt-right being as retarded as always. It's nonsense to believe that the election has been swayed by a silly trend that has been present for many years now. As I quite literally said, the punishment vote comes from the field/central US, millions of people who have felt grievously misrepresented the last 8 years, and have chosen an anger-fueled vote of "fuck you Democrats" before actually taking a look at the elections and choosing a candidate. And this is not a random theory, it is pretty much the social study of this election. Trump hasn't won. The Democrats have lost. And it's not heavenly punishment. It's people thinking with their ass before their head. Quote
Clephas Posted November 11, 2016 Posted November 11, 2016 One problem with Trump getting elected is that he has made himself the representative of the kind of people who were most responsible for the misery of anyone who wasn't white prior to the Voting Rights Bill. Ultranationalists, racists, religious bigots, bigots in general... a lot of people from the older generation have been looking for a candidates to reinforce their leftover prejudices, and Trump made himself that candidate, unfortunately. The problem isn't so much with him getting elected, in and of itself, as it is the fact that those people will feel validated, that public opinion has swung their way, when it was actually a more generalized dissatisfaction that drove his election. My primary reasoning for voting against him was that I didn't want anyone associated with that particular group of leftovers from the past getting any kind of political power or influence... Quote
Amuzie Posted November 11, 2016 Posted November 11, 2016 https://youtu.be/GLG9g7BcjKs Just gonna leave this here. Zakamutt 1 Quote
Decay Posted November 11, 2016 Posted November 11, 2016 This thread is now completely nonsensical and nearly unreadable because everything was merged. wtf mods Quote
Amuzie Posted November 11, 2016 Posted November 11, 2016 2 minutes ago, Decay said: This thread is now completely nonsensical and nearly unreadable because everything was merged. wtf mods It's a political thread. Wasn't it essentially unreadable from the start? atorq and BookwormOtaku 2 Quote
Nosebleed Posted November 11, 2016 Posted November 11, 2016 Yeah these topics shouldn't have been merged into a megathread, sorry guy. Unfortunately it's impossible to undo things because so you'll just have to use the thread now. Quote
Jun Inoue Posted November 11, 2016 Posted November 11, 2016 1 hour ago, Nosebleed said: Yeah these topics shouldn't have been merged into a megathread, sorry guy. Unfortunately it's impossible to undo things because so you'll just have to use the thread now. You've doomed us. Doomed us, I say! How will we discuss without clarity and understanding others? ... Quote
Darklord Rooke Posted November 11, 2016 Posted November 11, 2016 2008 - McCain 60 million votes 2012 - Romney 60 million votes 2016 - Trump 60 million votes 2008 - Obama 69.5 million votes 2012 - Obama 66 million votes 2016 - Clinton 60 million votes Even accounting for voter suppression, it doesn't account for the democrats shedding 15% of their vote since 2008. That's the reason why they lost, there wasn't a sudden influx of haters rather an increased number of Democrats stayed at home. Gibberish 1 Quote
Jun Inoue Posted November 11, 2016 Posted November 11, 2016 11 minutes ago, Darklord Rooke said: 2008 - McCain 60 million votes 2012 - Romney 60 million votes 2016 - Trump 60 million votes 2008 - Obama 69.5 million votes 2012 - Obama 66 million votes 2016 - Clinton 60 million votes Even accounting for voter suppression, it doesn't account for the democrats shedding 15% of their vote since 2008. That's the reason why they lost, there wasn't a sudden influx of haters rather an increased number of Democrats stayed at home. Punishment vote, as I mentioned in another topic (or this topic now that they are merged, I guess?). Plenty of people who used to vote the democrats have finally said "fuck you" after 8 years of feeling misrepresented. Still, the bigger winner was non-voting. I think there were as many non-voters as both sides combined? Quote
Nosebleed Posted November 11, 2016 Posted November 11, 2016 59 minutes ago, Jun Inoue said: You've doomed us. Doomed us, I say! How will we discuss without clarity and understanding others? ... In my defense it wasn't me who did it Jun Inoue 1 Quote
Kenshin_sama Posted November 11, 2016 Posted November 11, 2016 4 hours ago, Darklord Rooke said: 2008 - McCain 60 million votes 2012 - Romney 60 million votes 2016 - Trump 60 million votes 2008 - Obama 69.5 million votes 2012 - Obama 66 million votes 2016 - Clinton 60 million votes Even accounting for voter suppression, it doesn't account for the democrats shedding 15% of their vote since 2008. That's the reason why they lost, there wasn't a sudden influx of haters rather an increased number of Democrats stayed at home. That's exactly right, and one of my frustrations with the party is that they will continue to put the blame on others without acknowledging what voters have to say. Even after this embarrassing defeat in the presidential election, they will push out a candidate that no one can get excited about. They'll continue to drive the lesser evil narrative that cost them this election, even though it's not likely to work. Quote
Soulless Watcher Posted November 11, 2016 Posted November 11, 2016 OH GOD, I just heard who Trump is considering for his Cabinet. Quote
BookwormOtaku Posted November 11, 2016 Posted November 11, 2016 1 minute ago, Soulless Watcher said: OH GOD, I just heard who Trump is considering for his Cabinet. Yeah and this video has good sum up: Does not make the last bit (that starts at around 13:00) any less scary though... Soulless Watcher 1 Quote
Soulless Watcher Posted November 11, 2016 Posted November 11, 2016 Hahah, that was literally the same video I was watching just now. BookwormOtaku 1 Quote
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