Hentai As An Art Form

[God Of Hentai]

As my name may suggest im a hentai lover, it had a big impact on my life as is something that helped me through my depression, for me its the greatest work of art invented by mankind, doesn't matter wich genre it never fails to hypnotize me, but i feel like a lot of people fail to understand that and think of hentai as something disgusting that only sick people watch.

Recently i presented a work on powerpoint about art in general(theory,painters,etc..) to my whole class and one of the topics were "Are games art"? and i immediately thougth of visual novels/eroges, so i decided to make a slide about erotic art and connect it with hentai putting an image, I thougth it was an great idea but apparently I was wrong, I got rekt by my class and especially my teacher to the point where he said i needed a psychiatrist. Let me make it clear that he didnt said that because i had "sexual content" on the work but more due to the fact that he saw that as "doll porn" and despisable content. I got really pissed off but i decided to hold my nerves, I even explained why I considered it art, proved my points and analyzed the image but he ignored it anyway.

So I would like to know what do you think of hentai in general(animation,eroge,doujinshi..). Do you think its art?

Btw, this was the image i used:

Spoiler

http://www.mangagamer.com/user_data/tmp/screenshots/20150112192139.png

 

Edited December 14, 2016 by Nosebleed
Hentai, Baka Onii-chan

[mitchhamilton]

hello to you too. ^ ^ btw, even if its in a spoiler, nsfw images are not allowed. you can put a link that leads to the image, just make sure you say its nsfw.

 

 

i really dont much to say on the subject except its my preferred means to... um, "express" myself. such variety in hentai that its practically endless.

[Okarin]

Well, putting a NSFW image on display for a whole class to see seems over the top to me. I must be from a different generation though...

Hentai may be art, but if I'm not wrong, you use it as a form of escapism, and escapism is never as good as the real thing (in this context, "the real thing" is a full-blown relationship between two human beings).

Also, one thing is liking it, even wildly, another altogether is sharing it with no qualms with the general public. Fetishes exist, but people don't talk about them very openly, and with good reason.

Edited December 14, 2016 by Okarin

[mitchhamilton]

1 minute ago, Okarin said:

Well, putting a NSFW image on display for a whole class to see seems over the top to me. I must be from a different generation though...

Hentai may be art, but if I'm not wrong, you use it as a form of escapism, and escapism is never as good as the real thing (in this context, "the real thing" is a full-blown relationship between two human beings).

Also, one thing is liking it, even wildly, another altogether is sharing it with no qualms with the general public. Fetishes exist, but people don't talk about them very openly, and with good reason.

see, this is why im glad im not alone in the world as there are people like you to say what i just cant put into words. ^ ^

 

it is a bit extreme to present that in class as an example about hentai and art. maybe blur out some bits or something. not sure what you expected from it.

[Nosebleed]

 

[Silvz]

The problem in this image is obviously the blood.

[Okarin]

There are some things that are of private nature. Sex is one of them.

[Asonn]

I think the teacher did the right thing. I really do like my doujins and think that graphic images even in anime/vn style is certainly art. but what you showed was nothing more than porn. and sharing porn and explaining why that fetish or style is the best is definitely not a school subject. 

 

[Eclipsed]

My man, anything and everything can be considered art, and Princess Evangile's Rise getting banged is definitely art 

[God Of Hentai]

15 minutes ago, Okarin said:

Well, putting a NSFW image on display for a whole class to see seems over the top to me. I must be from a different generation though...

Hentai may be art, but if I'm not wrong, you use it as a form of escapism, and escapism is never as good as the real thing (in this context, "the real thing" is a full-blown relationship between two human beings).

Also, one thing is liking it, even wildly, another altogether is sharing it with no qualms with the general public. Fetishes exist, but people don't talk about them very openly, and with good reason.

Another group presented a slide with a painting where a man and woman were completely naked and my teacher dindt complain at all, so tell me where does hentai differ from any kind of famous paintings with nudism? They're both erotic art after all.

8 minutes ago, Asonn said:

I think the teacher did the right thing. I really do like my doujins and think that graphic images even in anime/vn style is certainly art. but what you showed was nothing more than porn. and sharing porn and explaining why that fetish or style is the best is definitely not a school subject. 

 

You cant draw porn...

[Okarin]

4 minutes ago, God Of Hentai said:

Another group presented a slide with a painting where a man and woman were completely naked and my teacher dindt complain at all, so tell me where does hentai differ from any kind of famous paintings with nudism? They're both erotic art after all.

Was it... you know... explicit? Were the naked man and woman doing some kind of intercourse? That's the difference.

Displaying a naked body isn't something terribly provoking, otherwise doctors, and coroners would have it hard (heh). Displaying two or more people having intercourse is more provoking, really.

I doubt the nature of the art had a weight in those people's reactions.

Edited December 14, 2016 by Okarin

[Nosebleed]

1 minute ago, God Of Hentai said:

Another group presented a slide with a painting where a man and woman were completely naked and my teacher dindt complain at all, so tell me where does hentai differ from any kind of famous paintings with nudism? They're both erotic art after all.

Being naked  ≠ pornography

A lot of the difference comes from the intention of the work in question. Nudist paintings aren't there to turn you on, they are usually representing something, even if that something is only the beauty of the human body. Porn exists for you to fap to, and is thus seen as having less artistic value by many. 

If you think hentai is the exact same thing as someone being painted nude, then I think you should study a bit more before making a presentation on this subject. I don't think your teacher was wrong in the way they reacted. I myself would probably react the same way, and I read hentai all the time.

[God Of Hentai]

6 minutes ago, Nosebleed said:

Being naked  ≠ pornography

A lot of the difference comes from the intention of the work in question. Nudist paintings aren't there to turn you on, they are usually representing something, even if that something is only the beauty of the human body. Porn exists for you to fap to, and is thus seen as having less artistic value by many. 

If you think hentai is the exact same thing as someone being painted nude, then I think you should study a bit more before making a presentation on this subject. I don't think your teacher was wrong in the way they reacted. I myself would probably react the same way, and I read hentai all the time.

My intention with this was to show the unique art style of hentai, as you can see the image symbolizes the defloration of the heroine, the tear in her eye represents pain, the look on her face represents pleasure and if u add both u get in contrast the feeling of happiness, even the perspective of the image has a lot to say, sure i could have used a normal sprite from a vn but i wanted to bring the erotic out of my work.

And assuming that i go like on HH just to fap is wrong, I actually watch it for the simple fact that i find it beautiful.

[bigfatround0]

Hahahaha

Fucking weebs man. They give the rest of us a bad name.

[Darklord Rooke]

Just now, God Of Hentai said:

My intention with this was to show the unique art style of hentai, as you can see the image symbolizes the defloration of the heroine, the tear in her eye represents pain, the look on her face represents pleasure and if u add both u get in contrast the feeling of happiness, even the perspective of the image has a lot to say, sure i could have used a normal sprite from a vn but i wanted to bring the erotic out of my work.

There is no unique style of hentai, they're normal anime images in sexual acts designed to excite the audience. Nothing you describe is unique, from the tear to the look, to the perspective. Your teacher is right, your class is right, Nosebleed is right, you should try listening.

Art has themes and subject matter, it's designed to alter your perspective and get you to think. That's the primary purpose of art art (not to be confused with the art that's meant to be an accurate representation.) There was a case in Australia, Bill Henson, arrested on child pornography and obscenity charges because his works (he's an artist) includes photographs of naked children. If those photographs were like the one you'd displayed, he'd have been jailed, but they weren't and so he was let go. You should really think on the difference.

[God Of Hentai]

3 minutes ago, bigfatround0 said:

Hahahaha

Fucking weebs man. They give the rest of us a bad name.

First: I advise you to check the meaning of "weeb".

Second: By that logic all of us are weebs.

[Darklord Rooke]

The primary purpose of hentai is to excite the audience. Which is why it's pornography. 

And not art.

 

On 12/14/2016 at 2:05 PM, God Of Hentai said:

And assuming that i go like on HH just to fap is wrong, I actually watch it for the simple fact that i find it beautiful.

Doesn't change the core intention of the work. You, as an individual, can read anything into a piece of work if you want to. This is part of the reason why art has a bad name, and you're contributing to it TBH.

[john 'mr. customer' smith]

1 minute ago, Darklord Rooke said:

The primary purpose of hentai is to excite the audience. Which is why it's pornography. 

And not art.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Art

That's a pretty arbitrary statement if you ask me

[solidbatman]

i need a drink

[Darklord Rooke]

2 minutes ago, john 'mr. customer' smith said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Art

That's a pretty arbitrary statement if you ask me

Don't quote wiki at me, please. It's a named logical fallacy. As in, the appeal to authority becomes a fallacy when the authority in question is not, in fact, an authority. And wiki has never been that.

[bigfatround0]

Just now, God Of Hentai said:

First: I advise you to check the meaning of "weeb".

Second: By that logic all of us are weebs.

I know what a weeb is and not everyone that likes weeb shit is a weeb. Some people know how to control themselves and know not to cross a line. But you clearly don't or else you wouldn't have shown cartoon porn in class. Now everyone thinks you're weird and will probably keep a distance. If you even had a modicum of a social life before, it's gone now.

[Okarin]

Well, as Rin's route in Katawa Shoujo showed (this is a board about VNs, right?) defining art can be tricky. So I wouldn't delve too much into that.

[Clephas]

All art is in the eye of the beholder.  If it touches you intimately as you look at it, read it, watch it, etc. then it can, in your point of view, be considered art.  Only rich snobs, Eurotrash 'artists' and 'art critics', and cultural snobs think otherwise. 

Edited December 14, 2016 by Clephas

[God Of Hentai]

3 minutes ago, bigfatround0 said:

I know what a weeb is and not everyone that likes weeb shit is a weeb. Some people know how to control themselves and know not to cross a line. But you clearly don't or else you wouldn't have shown cartoon porn in class. Now everyone thinks you're weird and will probably keep a distance. If you even had a modicum of a social life before, it's gone now.

"Cartoon Porn" yeah, sure mate.

Btw, my class is cool with that.

[john 'mr. customer' smith]

6 minutes ago, Darklord Rooke said:

Don't quote wiki at me, please. It's a named logical fallacy. As in, the appeal to authority becomes a fallacy when the authority in question is not, in fact, a matter of authority. And wiki has never been that.

Fair enough, but I meant to say that the word 'art' does not really have a consensus definition and can refer to an extremely broad range of things, including porn.