Does refractory period not exist in eroge?

[Dreamysyu]

Somebody still compares sex in eroge to real life?

[Plk_Lesiak]

I don't understand what this thread is about. I mean, you guys can't do that every day with your ever-expanding harem of horny, sexually-proficient virgins?

[Silvz]

4 hours ago, Funyarinpa said:

this isn't localized is it ;_;

edit: The only scene I saw where menstruation's a factor is in one of Euphoria's routes (the protagonist's forced to eat the woman in question out (while she's on her period) by his archenemy because that's what Euphoria is like)

I don't remember this, could you be more specific? The way you worded it, it happens in the final route?

Oh, speaking of how eroges are super relatable, there is only one I know (translated, at least) where a heroine gets pregnant after having sex ten times without a condom.

Remember, my fellow otakus, even if you pull it out, without a condom it is still dangerous!

[Silvz]

4 hours ago, Funyarinpa said:

this isn't localized is it ;_;

edit: The only scene I saw where menstruation's a factor is in one of Euphoria's routes (the protagonist's forced to eat the woman in question out (while she's on her period) by his archenemy because that's what Euphoria is like)

I don't remember this, could you be more specific? The way you worded it, it happens in the final route?

Oh, speaking of how eroges are super relatable, there is only one I know (translated, at least) where a heroine gets pregnant after having sex ten times without a condom.

Remember, my fellow otakus, even if you pull it out, without a condom it is still dangerous!

[Funyarinpa]

3 minutes ago, Silvz said:

I don't remember this, could you be more specific? The way you worded it, it happens in the final route?

Oh, speaking of how eroges are super relatable, there is only one I know (translated, at least) where a heroine gets pregnant after having sex ten times without a condom.

nah not the final route

Spoiler

you're forced to eat out the teacher (natsuki?) after breaking out, in the school, by Nemu.

In turn I'd like to ask you the name of that eroge

[Plk_Lesiak]

5 minutes ago, Silvz said:

Oh, speaking of how eroges are super relatable, there is only one I know (translated, at least) where a heroine gets pregnant after having sex ten times without a condom.

That's one piece of realism I can honestly live without.

[Funyarinpa]

Just now, Plk_Lesiak said:

That's one piece of realism I can honestly live without.

speak for yourself I want to see people found a family for once (preferably not characters who are fifteen in appearance and twelve in mindset, though)

[Plk_Lesiak]

1 minute ago, Funyarinpa said:

(preferably not characters who are fifteen in appearance and twelve in mindset, though)

That doesn't leave much space for it on the current VN market...

[Funyarinpa]

6 hours ago, Plk_Lesiak said:

That doesn't leave much space for it on the current VN market...

exactly

I did read one nukige where the student council president and protag actually get their asses fucking busted in the council room though, it has real consequences (mc barely avoids expulsion while the girl is deadass expelled for abusing her position, they are forced to avoid each other for months, and end up giving up on college at the end bc she's pregnant lol) and it was both dramatic and fucking hilarious

edit: I'm talking about HaraKano. Pregnancy focused nukige, pretty good but too few scenes (but like 7 routes).

Edited January 30, 2018 by Funyarinpa

[Okarin]

In Clockup's words, as seen in Eroge (the game by that name), "the goal of an eroge is to make the player fap as much as possible". In order to do so, some liberties are taken.

[Silvz]

3 hours ago, Funyarinpa said:

nah not the final route

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you're forced to eat out the teacher (natsuki?) after breaking out, in the school, by Nemu.

In turn I'd like to ask you the name of that eroge

Spoiler

You've probably read it already, but Yume Miru Kusuri, in one of the routes the heroine gets pregnant

 

[Dreamysyu]

3 hours ago, Silvz said:

Oh, speaking of how eroges are super relatable, there is only one I know (translated, at least) where a heroine gets pregnant after having sex ten times without a condom.

 

9 minutes ago, Silvz said:

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You've probably read it already, but Yume Miru Kusuri, in one of the routes the heroine gets pregnant

 

Well, there's also (it's not that big of a spoiler)

Spoiler

Grisaia

 

[Plk_Lesiak]

16 minutes ago, Dreamysyu said:

Well, there's also (it's not that big of a spoiler)

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Grisaia

 

And School Days with a bunch of fetishistic pregnancy endings. It's true though that the topic is not really present in any serious, plot-significant ways in VNs. I see @Funyarinpa's arguement from this point of view (personally I don't really care for the theme of children, maybe because of how much I don't want to have them myself), but I don' t think that hentai has to be connected with it. More mature themes and mature characters are always welcome, but the less they have to do with porn the better from my point of view. Let the eroge h-scenes stay in their weird fantasy world, I'll skip them anyways and there are people that seriously enjoy them exactly because of how over-the-top and detached from reality they are - after all, if you want more "believable" porn, you have maybe a few millions of pornhub videos to choose from. 

Edited January 30, 2018 by Plk_Lesiak

[Dreamysyu]

23 minutes ago, Plk_Lesiak said:

More mature themes and mature characters are always welcome, but the less they have to do with porn the better from my point of view. Let the eroge h-scenes stay in their weird fantasy world, I'll skip them anyways and there are people that seriously enjoy them exactly because of how over-the-top and detached from reality they are

I fully depends on you personal preferences, I think. I personally wouldn't mind if more eroge treated their h-scenes as something more than simple fanservice.

And more variety would never hurt anyway.

[Ranzo]

4 hours ago, Funyarinpa said:

exactly

I did read one nukige where the student council president and protag actually get their asses fucking busted in the council room though, it has real consequences (mc barely avoids expulsion while the girl is deadass expelled for abusing her position, they are forced to avoid each other for months, and end up giving up on college at the end bc she's pregnant lol) and it was both dramatic and fucking hilarious

Oh hey I know which one you are talking about!

Oh god I know which one you're talking about.

[Funyarinpa]

2 hours ago, Silvz said:

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You've probably read it already, but Yume Miru Kusuri, in one of the routes the heroine gets pregnant

 

I thought that was just a shitty moege, this bumps it up in my list considerably

[Funyarinpa]

2 hours ago, Plk_Lesiak said:

And School Days with a bunch of fetishistic pregnancy endings. It's true though that the topic is not really present in any serious, plot-significant ways in VNs. I see @Funyarinpa's arguement from this point of view (personally I don't really care for the theme of children, maybe because of how much I don't want to have them myself), but I don' t think that hentai has to be connected with it. More mature themes and mature characters are always welcome, but the less they have to do with porn the better from my point of view. Let the eroge h-scenes stay in their weird fantasy world, I'll skip them anyways and there are people that seriously enjoy them exactly because of how over-the-top and detached from reality they are - after all, if you want more "believable" porn, you have maybe a few millions of pornhub videos to choose from. 

Look man I just want anime styled porn that's about people who actually love each other having sex, presented realistically and sweetly. No more of this "we'll just act like condoms don't exist" or "she says 'no'? I'll DO EXACTLY THAT BECAUSE THAT'S HOW I TREAT PEOPLE I LOVE" bullshit in everything

Is that too much to ask ;_;

[Ranzo]

Just now, Funyarinpa said:

I thought that was just a shitty moege, this bumps it up in my list considerably

A Drug That Makes You Dream is a lot of things but a shitty moege it is not, though it would be interesting going into it thinking it was.

 

1 minute ago, Funyarinpa said:

Look man I just want anime styled porn that's about people who actually love each other having sex, presented realistically and sweetly. No more of this "we'll just act like condoms don't exist" or "she says 'no'? I'll DO EXACTLY THAT BECAUSE THAT'S HOW I TREAT PEOPLE I LOVE" bullshit in everything

Is that too much to ask ;_;

Probably, yeah?

[Mr Poltroon]

11 minutes ago, Funyarinpa said:

I thought that was just a shitty moege, this bumps it up in my list considerably

Holy hell. Spoilers for Yume Miru Kurisu:

Spoiler

I seriously thought Funya's earlier description was talking about Yume Miru Kusiru, since I missed the 'nukige' bit. Wow.

 

[Okarin]

I'm thinking of getting Miagete Goran Steam version, and thus embracing MoeNovel's creed.

That's how little I like H-scenes in general.

Yume Miru Kusuri is not a "fun" VN, it's a weird VN that tries too hard to be good, I say they didn't quite make it. If anything I'd compare it with the also cringeworthy A Profile. A Profile tried hard to be darker and dreary, while YMK is more like everyday problems cranked up to 11.

Edited January 30, 2018 by Okarin

[Plk_Lesiak]

28 minutes ago, Funyarinpa said:

Is that too much to ask ;_;

Most likely, considering the realities of the Japanese scene (and all the weird cultural tropes that makes it absolutely unwatchable from my perspective). In OELVNs, maybe, but really, porn will always be porn, even in cartoon version. Romanticizing it never really works, because it's not what most people are looking for - and porn is rarely done for artistic merits, it's done for money and looks for broadest possible appeal (or it's done for a quick jerk-off in case of some free projects, but in that situation it often ends equally trashy, or even worse).

I mean, I'm not anti-porn, I'm pretty much attempting to make a freakin' academic career off porn. It's just not healthy to expect anything meaningful or tactful out of it, even in best forms, it is just fapping material - and before any examples come in, every of those rare "story significant" porn scenes could relay its meaning without actually using hentai. One exception I will agree on is games that use sexual themes in grimdark, grotesque ways - it's part of their identity, no matter how we judge their existence overall.

Edited January 30, 2018 by Plk_Lesiak

[Okarin]

32 minutes ago, Funyarinpa said:

Look man I just want anime styled porn that's about people who actually love each other having sex, presented realistically and sweetly. No more of this "we'll just act like condoms don't exist" or "she says 'no'? I'll DO EXACTLY THAT BECAUSE THAT'S HOW I TREAT PEOPLE I LOVE" bullshit in everything

Is that too much to ask ;_;

Like I said, the point of nukige, and also eroge H-scenes, is to make the player, almost universally a male, get off. It's kinkier to force the girl a little than listening to her requests in bed.

Maybe you'd have sweet romance in otome and some OELVNs. Take "The way we all go", the romantic triangle there (with some extra sides to the polygon) is well handled. I couldn't believe my eyes when I read about adolescents behaving like adolescents, and that's because it isn't constrained by the usual tropes. If you want Japanese tropes, you have hundreds of Japanese novels and wouldn't have to consider The way we all go.

[Thyndd]

9 minutes ago, Plk_Lesiak said:

It's just not healthy to expect anything meaningful or tactful out of it, even in best forms, it is just fapping material

I know you are right. But damn how I wished you weren't.

I'm part of those unhealthy fucks that expect something meaningful out of fapping material. Gomen.

[Okarin]

Fapping material always takes the shortest route. As should be. Making you get off has value in and on itself, so why bother adding fluff? That must be the way eroge companies think.

[Mr Poltroon]

10 minutes ago, Plk_Lesiak said:

Most likely, considering the realities of the Japanese scene (and all the weird cultural tropes that makes it absolutely unwatchable from my perspective). In OELVNs, maybe, but really, porn will always be porn, even in cartoon version. Romanticizing it never really works, because it's not what most people are looking for - and porn is rarely done for artistic merits, it's done for money and looks for broadest possible appeal (or it's done for a quick jerk-off in case of some free projects, but in that situation it often ends equally trashy, or even worse).

I mean, I'm not anti-porn, I'm pretty much attempting to make a freakin' academic career off porn. It's just not healthy to expect anything meaningful or tactful out of it, even in best forms, it is just fapping material - and before any examples come in, every of those rare "story significant" porn scenes could relay its meaning without actually using hentai. One exception I will agree on is games that use sexual themes in grimdark, grotesque ways - it's part of their identity, no matter how we judge their existence overall.

This reminds me, I recommend you, or anyone reading this thread, give Cute Demon Crashers a try. I think it has some of sweetest H-Scenes I've seen.