Never happened to you?

[KainLegacy535]

I was remembering that time in redtube (japanese categorie) and this women appears thta was the most beautifull asian person that i ever seen, it makes me wonder why someone so beautifull was doing that kind of job, i just had to turn off the pc and go for a walk... So, as the title.

[mitchhamilton]

she might actually like doing porn despite society looking down on it. not everyone goes into to porn because they have no other options. sometimes they genuinely want to do it.

[Zander]

It makes you wonder why someone so beautiful was doing that kind of job? Interesting.

In your opinion, one's physical attractiveness, which is largely determined from genetics, is what should determine one's career? God I hope you never rule anywhere I live, because I'd probably be a trash collector or something.

[Funyarinpa]

Just now, Zander said:

It makes you wonder why someone so beautiful was doing that kind of job? Interesting.

In your opinion, one's physical attractiveness, which is largely determined from genetics, is what should determine one's career? God I hope you never rule anywhere I live, because I'd probably be a trash collector or something.

To be fair, we are talking about an industry that operates pretty much exclusively on the basis of appearance.

As for your question KainLegacy, I'm not really surprised. It could be dire financial straits. It could be personal problems. It could be a display of confidence, or an outcry, or a way of rebellion.

We don't know, because like most other professions and occupations in life, people adopt different lifestyles for different reasons. Who are we to judge so long as they're not hurting anyone?

[Soulless Watcher]

I have had similar thoughts, although not exactly the same. I don't really consider working in porn a "bad end", sure it may be for some, but I just see it as another job with a unique set of perks and disadvantages.

I do wonder how working in this industry affects the "normal" parts of daily life. Like how much of the "equipment" can be written off as work expense in their taxes? 

[atorq]

Not really, when someone really good looking is doing porn I'm only happy that I get to enjoy their full glorious naked beauty in best way possible besides in person. If only ugly people were doing porn I doubt it would be much of an industry, of course what is ugly is somewhat subjective.

[VirginSmasher]

9 minutes ago, atorq said:

Not really, when someone really good looking is doing porn I'm only happy that I get to enjoy their full glorious naked beauty in best way possible besides in person. If only ugly people were doing porn I doubt it would be much of an industry, of course what is ugly is somewhat subjective.

I dunno man. There's a certain niche out there for people who like watching ugly people getting fucked.

There's a niche for everything...

[atorq]

Just now, VirginSmasher said:

There's a niche for everything...

Niches don't create industries though.

[VirginSmasher]

1 minute ago, atorq said:

Niches don't create industries though.

VN translation is a niche and it's technically an industry. 

[mitchhamilton]

3 minutes ago, VirginSmasher said:

I dunno man. There's a certain niche out there for people who like watching ugly people getting fucked.

There's a niche for everything...

 

2 minutes ago, atorq said:

Niches don't create industries though.

finding this out the hard way.

Edited March 16, 2018 by mitchhamilton

[Ranzo]

Because it pays well?

[Plk_Lesiak]

1 hour ago, Zander said:

It makes you wonder why someone so beautiful was doing that kind of job? Interesting.

In your opinion, one's physical attractiveness, which is largely determined from genetics, is what should determine one's career? God I hope you never rule anywhere I live, because I'd probably be a trash collector or something.

It's not a problem of opinions - attractive people have certain opportunities that other's don't. Obviously, being attractive have its downsides, but many many more upsides and woman that are naturally very attractive usually have career choices open to them that are much more appealing than porn (which is, after all, heavy physical work with myriad of health risks and heavy social stigma involved). That's why you can notice that, in general, porn actresses are either average at best, or after so heavy plastic surgery that you can't really tell how they looked before. I've also noticed more attractive actresses sticking to solo sexcams or lesbian porn, as both are much less hazardous. There are exceptions of course, just as there are many porn actresses that weren't driven into the industry by a poor material situation or other circumstances that took away their chances for a "better" career. But just like with prostitution, we shouldn't romanticize it too much (even if I also disagree with the general sentiment of the OP).

Edited March 16, 2018 by Plk_Lesiak

[Thyndd]

I mean, maybe she is doing porn BECAUSE she is beautiful. The prettier the more chances to win a casting. That would be my guess, at least.

[HMN]

23 minutes ago, VirginSmasher said:

I dunno man. There's a certain niche out there for people who like watching ugly people getting fucked.

same

[Happiness+]

3 hours ago, atorq said:

Niches don't create industries though.

When there's a niche there's a market. When there's a market there's an industry.

[Zalor]

5 hours ago, KainLegacy535 said:

I was remembering that time in redtube (japanese categorie) and this women appears thta was the most beautifull asian person that i ever seen, it makes me wonder why someone so beautifull was doing that kind of job, i just had to turn off the pc and go for a walk... So, as the title.

Because she is a whore. Trust me, don't idealize women. It will only hurt you in the long run. There are good girls out there, but even they are flawed humans.

[Sayaka]

6 hours ago, Zalor said:

Because she is a whore. Trust me, don't idealize women. It will only hurt you in the long run. There are good girls out there, but even they are flawed humans.

I am not too sure how to respond to this, because I can't 100% tell what you're meaning to say. You may want to be extra clear about what you're saying - it's coming across to me right now as a broad sweeping derogatory statement about women.

[Zalor]

2 hours ago, Sayaka said:

I am not too sure how to respond to this, because I can't 100% tell what you're meaning to say. You may want to be extra clear about what you're saying - it's coming across to me right now as a broad sweeping derogatory statement about women.

It's not a derogatory statement about women. Porn stars are whores, that is literally their job. I am not at all implying that all women are whores, but whores are by definition whores. Think about it this way, would you want your sister or mother to work in the porn industry? Probably not right? Because it is degrading. Not just for them personally, but for their whole family. I was also implying that just because a woman is beautiful does not mean that her personality or morality matches that of her face. 

Good girls with moral standards deserve respect. Hell, the same is true of guys as well.

I think one of the most dangerous mistakes guys can make is to project their idealization on a girl, and ignore the truth about her. It is misguided to idealize women like Medieval poets did. These are my views at least. Feel free to disagree or agree, but that is how I feel about the subject.

[Sayaka]

55 minutes ago, Zalor said:

It's not a derogatory statement about women. Porn stars are whores, that is literally their job. I am not at all implying that all women are whores, but whores are by definition whores. Think about it this way, would you want your sister or mother to work in the porn industry? Probably not right? Because it is degrading. Not just for them personally, but for their whole family. I was also implying that just because a woman is beautiful does not mean that her personality or morality matches that of her face. 

Good girls with moral standards deserve respect. Hell, the same is true of guys as well.

I think one of the most dangerous mistakes guys can make is to project their idealization on a girl, and ignore the truth about her. It is misguided to idealize women like Medieval poets did. These are my views at least. Feel free to disagree or agree, but that is how I feel about the subject.

Woah dude, that all comes across really, really badly. I'm not gonna bother arguing with you, because it's just going to make me angry.

[Zalor]

30 minutes ago, Sayaka said:

Woah dude, that all comes across really, really badly. I'm not gonna bother arguing with you, because it's just going to make me angry.

Fair enough. I realize that my views aren't exactly inline with politically correct thought. But I respect the fact that you know that political discussions tend not to go anywhere. Mostly because political view points are things that are deeply embedded from personal experience, and often not very pleasant experiences. 

And by the way, if I've offended you, I do apologize. While I feel it is important to be honest about my opinions, I am aware that I could accidentally offend people. And I don't say things with the intention to offend, just to be honest. If you want to talk it out via PM, feel free to send me a message.  

[Yuuko]

3 hours ago, Sayaka said:

Woah dude, that all comes across really, really badly. I'm not gonna bother arguing with you, because it's just going to make me angry.

Tbh I don't really even understand what was wrong in Zalor's post

[Zakamutt]

^ @Kiriririri

These days the view that you should not disrespect sex workers is fairly common in left-leaning contexts (I realize this is a forum for VNs, which tend to be pretty sexist, but you're still talking to young people online), though certainly not the only view. The word "whore" is used as an insult, and thus not preferred if you want to not insult a whole category of people. With that said it seems to align with Zalor's views on the profession, so I suppose it's not an inaccurate use exactly.

Personally, if society doesn't like something I do that doesn't harm anyone, then society can go fuck itself. I try to extend this principle to everyone. If I had a sister who chose to go into sex work I would be worried about her, because it definitely carries risks. But I wouldn't try to stop her because of some disgust or shame reaction.

[Thyndd]

18 minutes ago, Kiriririri said:

Tbh I don't really even understand what was wrong in Zalor's post

Perhaps saying that "all women working in the porn industry are whores"? 

If by "whore" he meant "woman that makes money out of sex" then it's by definition obviously true, but I think he was trying to imply that these "whores" have questionable morals, and I don't see why that must be true. 

8 minutes ago, Zakamutt said:

I realize this is a forum for VNs, which tend to be pretty sexist

Now really?? A shame that a topic like that would be immediately closed by the moderadors, but I am genuinely curious about whether that's true. 

[Yuuko]

3 minutes ago, Thyndd said:

Perhaps saying that "all women working in the porn industry are whores"? 

If by "whore" he meant "woman that makes money out of sex" then it's by definition obviously true, but I think he was trying to imply that these "whores" have questionable morals, and I don't see why that must be true. 

Well tbh if you think about it they do have "questionable morals" because in western world porn is "taboo". Look at how many censored eroge we get. See how UK is banning online porn and forcing age verification system. See how weird some porn laws are in some countries. Too lazy to get better examples but it is true. 

Also some stuff quoted from Zalor that I felt like was his main point but IDK because I am not him.

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I was also implying that just because a woman is beautiful does not mean that her personality or morality matches that of her face. 

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I think one of the most dangerous mistakes guys can make is to project their idealization on a girl, and ignore the truth about her.

 

[Zakamutt]

If he wanted that to be his main point, it would have been advisable to not use words that distracted from the main point w