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[Ouraibaa Hjyuraa]

3 hours ago, Kenshin_sama said:

I was kinda hoping everyone would be too afraid to ask so I could make myself look smarter than I actually am. Shit, why'd you have to go and ruin that?

 

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Okay, jokes aside, the reason has to do with our

lack of free will. We're unable to act in any way that isn't already predetermined, and since our beliefs are largely a reflection of our actions, we have virtually no control over our own beliefs. And if that is indeed the case, then do we truly deserve them?

 

Hi, yes, I'd like to order a new lid for this here can of worms, please.

[Plk_Lesiak]

7 hours ago, Ouraibaa Hjyuraa said:

Hi, yes, I'd like to order a new lid for this here can of worms, please.

 

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There's no lid thick enough to cover the fact that free will is a logical fallacy if you accept a materialist vision of the world (which I do). There's no escape... Quite literally. :>

[Zakamutt]

There are people who argue for compatibilism yknow. I never finished this series, but it might actually be readable.

[Plk_Lesiak]

6 minutes ago, Zakamutt said:

There are people who argue for compatibilism yknow. I never finished this series, but it might actually be readable.

But isn't that concept coming mostly from before people had any understanding of how human brain works? It's kind of hard to treat "motivations" as anything more than another form of stimuli, just "internal" one rather than "external". You still approach every situation with one set of internal motivations and external stimuli, resulting in some kind of action – not "predetermined" by some cosmic influence, but determined by this incredibly complex net of factors that are fully beyond your control. It's pretty inconvenient for most ethical systems, but still, it's hard to escape.

[Ouraibaa Hjyuraa]

Why isn't my lid working?!?!

[Dreamysyu]

11 hours ago, Plk_Lesiak said:

 

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There's no lid thick enough to cover the fact that free will is a logical fallacy if you accept a materialist vision of the world (which I do). There's no escape... Quite literally. :>

And that's one of the main reasons I cannot say that I find the entirely materialist vision very convincing.

[Plk_Lesiak]

33 minutes ago, Dreamysyu said:

And that's one of the main reasons I cannot say that I find the entirely materialist vision very convincing.

I guess it's both counter-intuitive and kind of depressing, but I don't see another answer unless we include a concept of soul (in some form). I mean, just a small experiment: how much you can control what you're thinking? How much do you control how you react to things? You make "choices" every other moment, but are you enacting your free will, or are just your past experiences, present incentives, subconcious codes of conduct and reflexes (etc. etc.), all coded in the form of neural networks and electrical currents in your brain, coming together to create an action?

The answer is irrelevant anyways. Our lives are liniar stories, with just one set of circumstaces we'll encouter and exacly one set of actions we'll perform in reaction to them (multiverse theories aside, but even those are about random chance rather than some methaphysical concept of self-determined actors). Alternative universes exist in books and our imaginations, they may even haunt us, but that doesn't make them any more real or our actions any more independent. Moral systems exist to give us the incentives to do the right things, not to give us salvation. Moral judgment, both external or internalized, exists to dissuade us from causing harm to others or breaking the accepted order of things. I personally find this vision way more clean and appealing than some higher plains of existance where our consciousness would reside, above the obvious limitations of the material world. That would make the whole thing utterly confusing.

Edited July 26, 2019 by Plk_Lesiak

[Ouraibaa Hjyuraa]

Poor Lesiak.

[FinalChaos]

15 hours ago, Plk_Lesiak said:

The answer is irrelevant anyways. Our lives are liniar stories, with just one set of circumstaces we'll encouter and exacly one set of actions we'll perform in reaction to them (multiverse theories aside, but even those are about random chance rather than some methaphysical concept of self-determined actors). Alternative universes exist in books and our imaginations, they may even haunt us, but that doesn't make them any more real or our actions any more independent. Moral systems exist to give us the incentives to do the right things, not to give us salvation. Moral judgment, both external or internalized, exists to dissuade us from causing harm to others or breaking the accepted order of things. I personally find this vision way more clean and appealing than some higher plains of existance where our consciousness would reside, above the obvious limitations of the material world. That would make the whole thing utterly confusing.

Well as it happens my view-point on existence is similar.
I was nihilistic when I first reached this conclusion, but now realize it's kinda irrelevant.
Afterall, we live through abstraction.

Rather than thinking that I like eating an ice-cream due my free will or some brainwashing, it's more important to know that you enjoy eating it.

[Kenshin_sama]

On 7/25/2019 at 7:38 PM, Ouraibaa Hjyuraa said:

I'm afraid to ask, but I'll do it anyway

On 7/26/2019 at 7:41 AM, Ouraibaa Hjyuraa said:

Why isn't my lid working?!?!

Trust your instincts next time?

[Kosakyun]

On 7/24/2019 at 3:19 AM, Plk_Lesiak said:

I have yet to find someone that shares my stance on tomatoes IRL, but at least my current waifu agrees.

I like my tomatoes cooked too. I can be your waifu.

Which also reminds me. I like my steaks well-done.

Edited August 4, 2019 by Kosakyun

[Plk_Lesiak]

9 minutes ago, Kosakyun said:

I like my steaks well-done.

You can't be my waifu after all.

[Kosakyun]

Just now, Plk_Lesiak said:

You can't be my waifu after all.

I thought we'd go full heretic!?

[Plk_Lesiak]

Just now, Kosakyun said:

I thought we'd go full heretic!?

But a heresy this deep? Tempting, but I'm not sure if my mind can handle it...

[Kosakyun]

Just now, Plk_Lesiak said:

But a heresy this deep? Tempting, but I'm not sure if my mind can handle it...

You guys open a can of worms on inherent free will and consumerism, but you can't cook your food thoroughly?

[Ouraibaa Hjyuraa]

4 hours ago, Emi said:

Can be my waifu instead

You don't deserve to be someone's waifu with that title.

[Kosakyun]

On 8/5/2019 at 12:28 AM, Emi said:

Can be my waifu instead

I only date heretics

[Ranzo]

Is the whole indirect kiss thing solely Japan garbage or does the trash exist elsewhere?

I get sick of it every time it's fucking brought up

[Ouraibaa Hjyuraa]

*Psssssssst*
Hey...

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indirect kiss


 

5 hours ago, Kosakyun said:

I only date heretics

 

What constitutes a heretic, anyways? Like saying that Ichigo was a better waifu than Zero Two? Mako was a likable character? Card games on motorcycles was a refreshing and innovative idea? The Berserk movies are better than the 1997 TV series? Your Name's better than A Silent Voice? Ueno did nothing wrong and Kawai never bullied Nishimiya? Lolis are indistinguishable from actual children and as such lolicons are mentally-ill pedophiles that need psychological help? Mirai Nikki and Elfen Lied are shallow garbage? SAO's Alfheim arc is far better than the rest of the show? Clannad is an unfocused mish-mash of characters and themes that doesn't know where it's going until 4/5s of the way through? Angel Beats! was forgettable and its emotional payoff was both forced and ruined by plot-holes? Near was a more interesting foil to Light than L? Cowboy Beboop is dull, dreary, drab, and all-around overrated and boring show, and Spike is an uninteresting and bland character? The ending of Code Geass sucked and ruined the show because it was a show that had consistently up till that point crushed fancy ideals under the weight of reality and shown them to be unrealistic and unattainable, yet in the end pretended that everything would just wrap up nicely with a little bow on top.

There's no difference between anime and cartoons?

[Jun Inoue]

5 hours ago, Ouraibaa Hjyuraa said:

*Psssssssst*
Hey...

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..........................

 

 

indirect kiss


 

 

What constitutes a heretic, anyways? Like saying that Ichigo was a better waifu than Zero Two? Mako was a likable character? Card games on motorcycles was a refreshing and innovative idea? The Berserk movies are better than the 1997 TV series? Your Name's better than A Silent Voice? Ueno did nothing wrong and Kawai never bullied Nishimiya? Lolis are indistinguishable from actual children and as such lolicons are mentally-ill pedophiles that need psychological help? Mirai Nikki and Elfen Lied are shallow garbage? SAO's Alfheim arc is far better than the rest of the show? Clannad is an unfocused mish-mash of characters and themes that doesn't know where it's going until 4/5s of the way through? Angel Beats! was forgettable and its emotional payoff was both forced and ruined by plot-holes? Near was a more interesting foil to Light than L? Cowboy Beboop is dull, dreary, drab, and all-around overrated and boring show, and Spike is an uninteresting and bland character? The ending of Code Geass sucked and ruined the show because it was a show that had consistently up till that point crushed fancy ideals under the weight of reality and shown them to be unrealistic and unattainable, yet in the end pretended that everything would just wrap up nicely with a little bow on top.

There's no difference between anime and cartoons?

[alpacaman]

Talking about heresy, a while ago ago I saw someone on the street who tugged his sweatpants into the white tennis socks he wore with sandals.

Edited August 6, 2019 by alpacaman

[Ouraibaa Hjyuraa]

1 hour ago, Jun Inoue said:

[Kosakyun]

9 hours ago, Ouraibaa Hjyuraa said:

What constitutes a heretic, anyways? Like saying that Ichigo was a better waifu than Zero Two? Mako was a likable character? Card games on motorcycles was a refreshing and innovative idea? The Berserk movies are better than the 1997 TV series? Your Name's better than A Silent Voice? Ueno did nothing wrong and Kawai never bullied Nishimiya? Lolis are indistinguishable from actual children and as such lolicons are mentally-ill pedophiles that need psychological help? Mirai Nikki and Elfen Lied are shallow garbage? SAO's Alfheim arc is far better than the rest of the show? Clannad is an unfocused mish-mash of characters and themes that doesn't know where it's going until 4/5s of the way through? Angel Beats! was forgettable and its emotional payoff was both forced and ruined by plot-holes? Near was a more interesting foil to Light than L? Cowboy Beboop is dull, dreary, drab, and all-around overrated and boring show, and Spike is an uninteresting and bland character? The ending of Code Geass sucked and ruined the show because it was a show that had consistently up till that point crushed fancy ideals under the weight of reality and shown them to be unrealistic and unattainable, yet in the end pretended that everything would just wrap up nicely with a little bow on top.

Please spare me. While I more or less agree with half of the things you put there, you have to spare me. I just wanted a waifu that cooks meat thoroughly.

9 hours ago, Ouraibaa Hjyuraa said:

There's no difference between anime and cartoons?

Now why would an internationally recognized fact be considered heresy?

[Jun Inoue]

I mean, the difference is fairly big. Big like the lies Ouraibaa spouts.

Edited August 6, 2019 by Jun Inoue

[Ouraibaa Hjyuraa]

26 minutes ago, Jun Inoue said:

I mean, the difference is fairly big. Big like the lies Ouraibaa spouts.

Geez, calm down. You're acting like I'm compromising an a nuclear powerplant or something.

 

4 hours ago, Kosakyun said:

Please spare me. While I more or less agree with half of the things you put there, you have to spare me. I just wanted a waifu that cooks meat thoroughly.

No mercy for the wicked!