AKARI ROUTE COMING TO IF MY HEART HAD WINGS FLIGHT DIARY ON THE 22ND!

[mitchhamilton]

 

YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES! after not having a route in the original version of if my heart had wings, akari got a route in the ps3 and psvita versions. of course these were never translated and so fans of the routeless heroine could only sob as they lacked the resources to have their very own akari route. well no more! akari is now coming to the steam version of the fan disk flight diary! touche, moenovel. i was against buying your game at first but.... i cant resist her.  

 

some good news is her route most likely will barely be touched since her route was always sfw since it was on the ps3 and vita... unless they released some content on those versions that sony arent aware of. >.>

[Freestyle80]

Cool, still havent bothered to touch the FD though but will probably get around to it soon

Edited April 21, 2019 by Freestyle80

[MFrost]

Sounds nice, I haven't started the VN yet, but I'll probably like her as my top 3.

[NowItsAngeTime]

Just FYI

For people who may ask for an 18+ patch/retranslation, this route never had 18+ in the original version.

[Stormwolf]

So there is no possible way for Moetrash to fuck up this route right? I wonder how they'll manage to screw it up 

[Seraphim]

Unless they go back to their old IMHHW ways and screw up the translation, but they've apparently been pretty decent ever since then (I haven't actually read any myself) so it should probably be fine.

[adamstan]

Well, since Akari's route was part of the main game, not the FD, there's possibility that they'll reuse old shitty translation for common route...

[Seraphim]

I'm pretty sure this is just Akari's route. I doubt they'd add the common route from the main game to the fan disc as well.

[Dergonu]

I think it's fucking hilarious that they are legit charging you extra for this, as if it's some kind of DLC. They were clearly working off the PS3 port assets, and the Akari route is a part of that build. The fact that they took it out just to sell it as "DLC" is really money hungry and scummy, tbh.

Their translation quality is all over the place, but at least there's no porn for them to censor in this particular route, so I guess it's a safer buy than everything else Moenovel does. Still wouldn't recommend supporting them though, as scummy companies like these don't deserve your money.

[Mr Poltroon]

18 hours ago, Dergonu said:

I think it's fucking hilarious that they are legit charging you extra for this, as if it's some kind of DLC. They were clearly working off the PS3 port assets, and the Akari route is a part of that build. The fact that they took it out just to sell it as "DLC" is really money hungry and scummy, tbh.

Their translation quality is all over the place, but at least there's no porn for them to censor in this particular route, so I guess it's a safer buy than everything else Moenovel does. Still wouldn't recommend supporting them though, as scummy companies like these don't deserve your money.

There's a lot of crappy translations (at least in the past) and content cutting going about, certainly. But charging 20 dollars (or 16,50 euros) for a VN fandisc is not money hungry or price gouging. Partitioning and making DLC only helps the consumer so long as the overall price of the product is not above the norm for the type of content, and here it is most definitely not.

It'd be the same bloody thing if they made no DLC and instead sold everything for the 20 dollars it amounts to, except it'd have taken longer, people only interested in routes other than Akari would need to pay for the route they don't want, and people interested only in Akari wouldn't feel strangely 'cheated'.

(The 20 dollars = main game + DLC)

Edited April 24, 2019 by Mr Poltroon
Mixed up my second point in the second paragraph.

[Dergonu]

3 hours ago, Mr Poltroon said:

There's a lot of crappy translations (at least in the past) and content cutting going about, certainly. But charging 20 dollars (or 16,50 euros) for a VN fandisc is not money hungry or price gouging. Partitioning and making DLC only helps the consumer so long as the overall price of the product is not above the norm for the type of content, and here it is most definitely not.

It'd be the same bloody thing if they made no DLC and instead sold everything for the 20 dollars it amounts to, except it'd have taken longer, people only interested in routes other than Akari would need to pay for the route they don't want, and people interested only in Akari wouldn't feel strangely 'cheated'.

(The 20 dollars = main game + DLC)

Yes, because they are meant to pay for the route. It’s a part of the game, just like the rest. What, are you saying we should start selling visual novels route by route from now on?

And of course the base game is cheap, they have cut out 50% of he content in the H. That’s a hell of a lot less text to translate and edit. (Assuming they even do editing, but that’s beyond the point.) 

[Mr Poltroon]

4 minutes ago, Dergonu said:

Yes, because they are meant to pay for the route. It’s a part of the game, just like the rest. What, are you saying we should start selling visual novels route by route from now on?

Yes, as long as the price with all of them together would equal the price of one full game and their individual prices were evenly distributed.

It is fine if you do not agree, but at that point I have nothing more to add.

[phantomJS]

@Dergonu

Well my personal opinion is that this time around it's ok. It's not as if they took EA's route in Battlefront 2; can you imagine having to pay to to access, say, CGs or even the routes themselves?

And Akari's route isn't even supposed to be in Flight Diary in the first place (isn't it a Playstation exclusive?). Giving the buyer an option to buy her route is flexible in this case ; those who like her and wanted to read her route rejoice, while those who are disinterested (like myself) can simply care less about the availability of the purchase.

Not that I'm supporting Moenovel's move, but rather their move didn't antagonise me as much as, for example, this shit, which is a far worse example of selling content for an incomplete game.

[Dergonu]

25 minutes ago, phantomJS said:

@Dergonu

Well my personal opinion is that this time around it's ok. It's not as if they took EA's route in Battlefront 2; can you imagine having to pay to to access, say, CGs or even the routes themselves?

And Akari's route isn't even supposed to be in Flight Diary in the first place (isn't it a Playstation exclusive?). Giving the buyer an option to buy her route is flexible in this case ; those who like her and wanted to read her route rejoice, while those who are disinterested (like myself) can simply care less about the availability of the purchase.

Not that I'm supporting Moenovel's move, but rather their move didn't antagonise me as much as, for example, this shit, which is a far worse example of selling content for an incomplete game.

It is a part of this game. They were working with the Cruise Sign files, which is the build with Akari’s route. That’s different from Flight Diary, which is the 18+ PC version. 

They just used the Cruise Sign files, took out the route and sold it by itself. In my opinion, that’s a scummy money grab. But, to each their own 

[Yuuko]

Guys did you know it is scummy money grab to sell single bananas in the super market. I want to buy the FULL STEM OF BANANAS!

[Seraphim]

1 hour ago, Dergonu said:

What, are you saying we should start selling visual novels route by route from now on?

It's already pretty common to release VNs in episodes, which is basically the same thing. I honestly wouldn't be against routes being released separately, so I can read them over time instead of having to wait for a full release. The only real problem I see with this is that currently unreleased routes might get cancelled if the previous ones don't live up to sales expectations.

[Plk_Lesiak]

1 hour ago, Dergonu said:

It is a part of this game.

Your argument would be fully valid if this was a multi-route mystery and if they cut out an integral part of the experience, holding it to a ransom. This is just an extra route, in every sense of the word, as it was something added to a later release of the game. Bundling it with the fandisc is a bit weird, but that's not a reason to get over-the-top outraged.

And BTW, I think that with all the awfulness of MoeNovel, I think if they handled Konosora today, we would get a direct localisation of the console version, without the weird censorship and cuts. Sadly, it didn't exist at the time and they "improvised", butchering the game. I'd love to see a proper English release of Cruise Sign, but I'm not sure if that would even be commercially viable - it would be a huge undertaking with most people that were interested in the game already having read it. I really don't understand what you think MoeNovel should do. 

Edited April 24, 2019 by Plk_Lesiak

[Dergonu]

Well, I think it’s really stupid. The Akari route was never a separate entity, and they made it one just to sell it for extra on the side of the main game’s cost. To me that shows how much they want to milk fans for money. The base game being cheap is, once again, probably linked to like half the game not being present. Text wise, Cruise Sign, (Flight Diary, but no H,) is not super long. There’s a LOT of H in Flight Diary, with it being a fandisk. 

The fact that it’s cut out by itself means that they had to go out of their way to cut it out and program it into its own thing. It has never existed by itself before. I can’t see that as anything but a cash grab. 

[Plk_Lesiak]

32 minutes ago, Dergonu said:

It has never existed by itself before. I can’t see that as anything but a cash grab. 

It also never existed in the version of the base game that got localized. By your logic, the only "fair" thing to do would be not releasing it at all, as it doesn't belong with neither Flight Diary nor the MoeNovel's Konosora.

Of course I'm exaggerating and they definitely did it at least partially to make the fandisk more attractive. I also don't know what the translation quality is like, but unless it's dreadful, this is a reasonably-priced piece of meaningful content that fans of the original should fullly enjoy in the form it was presented to them. You made no real arguement on why cutting it out makes it so much of an inferior product that it qualifies as "cash grab", you only repeat that evepresent fallacy that it's "not how it was meant to be in the original". And I never found it to be a compelling arguement for anything. 

Edited April 24, 2019 by Plk_Lesiak

[Seraphim]

27 minutes ago, Dergonu said:

The fact that it’s cut out by itself means that they had to go out of their way to cut it out and program it into its own thing.

Doesn't Cruise Sign contain an all ages version of Flight Diary done by Pulltop themselves? It's listed on the Flight Diary VNDb page, at least.
If that's the case, I'm pretty sure Moenovel just used those assets, meaning they wouldn't have to cut very much (if anything).

[Dergonu]

4 minutes ago, Plk_Lesiak said:

It also never existed in the version of the base game that got localized. By your logic, the only "fair" thing to do would be not releasing it at all, as it doesn't belong with neither Flight Diary nor the MoeNovel's Konosora.

Of course I'm exaggerating and they definitely did it plat least partially to make the fandisk more attractive. I also don't know what the translation quality is like, but unless it's dreadful, this is a reasonably-priced piece of meaningful content that fans of the original should fulltly enjoy in the form it was presented to them. You made no real arguement on why cutting it out makes it so much of an inferior product that it qualifies as "cash grab", you only repeat that evepresent fallacy that it's "not how it was meant to be in the original". And I never found it to be a compelling arguement for anything. 

Actually, that’s where you are wrong. This version that is localized IS Cruise Sign. But they called it Flight Diary, for some reason. The all-ages assets they have are unique to the Cruise Sign game, and so is the Akari route. The only game called Flight Diary is the 18+ one. All all-ages builds, which is what this one is, have the Akari route built in. 

I can see the confusion from the name, though. 

 

2 minutes ago, Seraphim88 said:

Doesn't Cruise Sign contain an all ages version of Flight Diary done by Pulltop themselves? It's listed on the Flight Diary VNDb page, at least.
If that's the case, I'm pretty sure Moenovel just used those assets, meaning they wouldn't have to cut very much (if anything).

Yes, and that version is what they used, and it is just generally shorter, due to the lacking H. Only the side routes have added all-ages content, not the main route, and even the added scenes are short and fewer in number compared to the H. 

[adamstan]

19 minutes ago, Dergonu said:

This version that is localized IS Cruise Sign.

Isn't it then just like half of the Cruise Sign?

After all - Cruise Sign = all ages version of Konosora with added Akari route + all ages version of Flight Diary. So, it makes sense to base translated all-ages version of FD on it. However, still, Akari's route belongs to main game, not to the FD, so I think in this case it is valid to think about translation of this route as a bonus rather than cutting out. It just should be DLC for main game, not for FD So I'm with @Plk_Lesiak on this one.

 

Edited April 24, 2019 by adamstan

[Plk_Lesiak]

19 minutes ago, Dergonu said:

Actually, that’s where you are wrong. This version that is localized IS Cruise Sign. But they called it Flight Diary, for some reason. The all-ages assets they have are unique to the Cruise Sign game, and so is the Akari route. The only game called Flight Diary is the 18+ one. All all-ages builds, which is what this one is, have the Akari route built in. 

I can see the confusion from the name, though. 

I don't see anything confusing in this. They released the fandisk portion of the console port. Calling it Cruise Sign would be actually confusing, as it would suggest it's a full re-release of the game with additional content.

And this doesn't change the fact that the original Western Konosora release has nothing to do with the console port, which was released two years later. Thus it was also not the version where Akari's route belongs, maybe to the point they would be hard to integrate together. Indeed, the best thing they could do was re-releasing the whole game using the console version and new translation. But even much better companies would be hesitant to take this kind of cost on themselves. No matter how you spin it, I can't see anything wrong with how this was handled, apart from the walling the new route behind buying the fandisk. But even that is not really that egregious IMHO. 

Edited April 24, 2019 by Plk_Lesiak

[adamstan]

Just now, Plk_Lesiak said:

Indeed, the best thing they could do was re-releasing the game using the console version and new translation.

+1000, that would be indeed the best, bud sadly, probably won't happen

[Dergonu]

Well, I’m not a fan of this approach. But, I’d never buy anything from Moenovel anyways, so it’s not like it changes anything for me. /Shrug