Comyu Discussion

[Oiacz]

Well yeah, as in real life, you can't just change the point of view of someone with sex, well more seriously, Benio is still Benio, even if she's now more perverted than Maidu-san.

 

As for Akihito fighting Gasai, it's not just Benio's wish, Akihito don't want to be a tool used by anyone, bessides, Izawa wouldn't accept that.

 

And for Ayaya route, it's not called "banal story" for nothing, Ayaya, as well as Mayuki, can be seen as "bonus" routes, they have some solid story, but not that much related to the "main" plot.

 

"We don't know when will die, so let's have lots of sex yay" hahaha

 

I understand that Akihito reached that conclusion by himself (Of not wanting to be a tool), but I still think that Benio had some participation in pushing him to this duel against Gasai. If he didn't want to be a tool, he could be neutral. Let they kill themselves until everything settles, because even with the fight, everything settled with de Round Table and anti-Rounds killing each other later, then Gasai having the power. Or he could create a 4th party for himself and have a selfish ending beating Gasai, the Rounde Table and then being a new Caesar. Even they "heroically" dying in the fight would be a better ending than this t.t

 

Oh, so I'll skip Ayaya for sure! Don't know about Miyuck yet....

[Kurisu-Chan]

"We don't know when will die, so let's have lots of sex yay" hahaha

 

I understand that Akihito reached that conclusion by himself (Of not wanting to be a tool), but I still think that Benio had some participation in pushing him to this duel against Gasai. If he didn't want to be a tool, he could be neutral. Let they kill themselves until everything settles, because even with the fight, everything settled with de Round Table and anti-Rounds killing each other later, then Gasai having the power. Or he could create a 4th party for himself and have a selfish ending beating Gasai, the Rounde Table and then being a new Caesar.

 

Oh, so I'll skip Ayaya for sure! Don't know about Miyuck yet....

 

You'll understand by reading other routes that Akihito isn't that much cold-blooded, and even if he knows that it's stupid, he'll take actions like that.

[Nerathim]

Finished Benio Route. Sorry, but that was really dissapointing. I don't know if I can explain what I didn't like very well, but let's go... 

 

First of all is Benio. She was funny to read, with all those reactions, but I don't like her ideals. It's pretty much the same ideals that Shirou (F/SN) has, but the characters are completely different. Shirou had a nice development from the begining to the end. But Benio... I feel that she ended the same way that she started. She didn't have a development, and worse, like Izawa says, she is like a stone in your way when she thinks that you're doing something wrong... but she doesn't give a better solution to anything! An impulsive character that do things without thinking on the consequences... from the begining to the end.

 

My second point is Akihito's development. He was a really good character and protagonist, from the begining to until... 3 scenes to the end. His cowardice and fears was nice to read. His point of view about the world and connections between people... but all that was destroyed when he... pretty much started to be influenciated by Benio's ideals. I think that this ending was just cheap and forced sentimentalism.

 

Stop Gasai, knowing that he is kind of right; knowing it won't help in anything; and knowing that it would worsen the situation... just for the sake of "I want." I would prefer if the route ended with them being in a neutral position than fighting Gasai. But Benio is an ally of justice, so the route had to end in an ally of justice way...

 

Well, nothing can do. Now go to Hisoka's Route~ And about Ayaya's Route, this thing has importance to the main plot? I want to skip it if I can. I can't see what a route with 2k lines for a side-character without relevance can give any usefull information e_e

 

So the main problem is just Benio and your complain is about her idiocy and Akihito's ? The protagonists aren't always kind, lucid or clever, even less rational.  They can be view as bad guys and unlike many other VN, Comyu is nuanced,you can't except to have the best solution possible each times.

 

Not to mention that in Benio's route the ending is close to being "perfect" because Akihito's coµ aren't the main characters of the world they're in. Gasai has much more influence and has the will and the strenght needed to complete its projects, Akihito as the bad guy could have killed Caesar at the end because he was the exact opposite of him (he's emotional, he's acting selfishly and abandons his group) but Benio slaps him to make him remember that he musn't do that because he's fighting for justice. Gasai leaves victorious and nothing changes. I see it that way : by being slapped by Benio, Akihito realized that he has failed to maintain his frail ideal (so he wasn't really that influenced by Benio) by forgetting that he musn't kill, so  he reverts to an ally of justice with her but he loses because he has not only lost sight of what he was doing but  the ideal he shares with Benio is totally unrealistic too, the only one being realistic is Gasai thus he can't match the King because he and him want to do the same thing (broadly speaking : protect the weak) except that their ways of doing things is different, I view this as Akihito's incapacity to look at the truth. I think he could've killed Gasai if he weren't pulled out of his berserk mode because this time he was coherent with himself.

Akihito and Benio were doing the right thing only to their eyes, they lose and they're just extras at the end, it's a failure for the protagonist of the story but a victory for Gasai the real hero, doing the "right thing" for far more people. Akihito is human : emotional, inconsistent and impulsive. If I'm not wrong, just before the fight scene at one of their meeting at the bridge Gasai has said that humans can only learn from experience , it shows that Akihito clearly lacks experience and pairing with a girl with even less life experience than him doesn't help haha. Haru just doesn't care about what they're doing, Mayuki is a child and often complies to the majority, Izawa is always ready to fight and Kagome has nothing to do with the coµ : not surprising that the route ended that way.

 

Well, I got carried away here, I wonder how many spelling mistakes I've done... tl;dr the route doesn't really ends in an "ally of justice way", it's the case from Benio's point of view but they didn't change anything, they struggled for nothing and they couldn't face Gasai.With a bit of hindsight it's not bad at all, imo. And don't forget that this route was only an introduction, that's one of the reason why Akihito was paired with the character of lesser development potential at the beginning.

[Oiacz]

Not to mention that in Benio's route the ending is close to being "perfect" because Akihito's coµ aren't the main characters of the world they're in. Gasai has much more influence and has the will and the strenght needed to complete its projects, Akihito as the bad guy could have killed Caesar at the end because he was the exact opposite of him (he's emotional, he's acting selfishly and abandons his group) but Benio slaps him to make him remember that he musn't do that because he's fighting for justice. Gasai leaves victorious and nothing changes. I see it that way : by being slapped by Benio, Akihito realized that he has failed to maintain his frail ideal (so he wasn't really that influenced by Benio) by forgetting that he musn't kill, so  he reverts to an ally of justice with her but he loses because he has not only lost sight of what he was doing but  the ideal he shares with Benio is totally unrealistic too, the only one being realistic is Gasai thus he can't match the King because he and him want to do the same thing (broadly speaking : protect the weak) except that their ways of doing things is different, I view this as Akihito's incapacity to look at the truth. I think he could've killed Gasai if he weren't pulled out of his berserk mode because this time he was coherent with himself.

Akihito and Benio were doing the right thing only to their eyes, they lose and they're just extras at the end, it's a failure for the protagonist of the story but a victory for Gasai the real hero, doing the "right thing" for far more people. Akihito is human : emotional, inconsistent and impulsive. If I'm not wrong, just before the fight scene at one of their meeting at the bridge Gasai has said that humans can only learn from experience , it shows that Akihito clearly lacks experience and pairing with a girl with even less life experience than him doesn't help haha. Haru just doesn't care about what they're doing, Mayuki is a child and often complies to the majority, Izawa is always ready to fight and Kagome has nothing to do with the coµ : not surprising that the route ended that way.

 

Well, I got carried away here, I wonder how many spelling mistakes I've done... tl;dr the route doesn't really ends in an "ally of justice way", it's the case from Benio's point of view but they didn't change anything, they struggled for nothing and they couldn't face Gasai.With a bit of hindsight it's not bad at all, imo. And don't forget that this route was only an introduction, that's one of the reason why Akihito was paired with the character of lesser development potential at the beginning.

 

Yup, the ending was what you said, Akihito's comyu aren't the main characters of the story, but Gasai's. He will change de Comyunet and everything. I liked it, that's why I said that I would prefer if it ended without a fight, but with Akihito's comyu being neutral in the story since Recolection and Separation scene. Fighting or not, the ending would be (Parcially) the same, Gasai changing everything. So I prefer a no-fighting ending.

 

I understand all of the emotion plot in this ending, with Akihito going berserk, about their objectives being the same but their ways being different... and that's exactly why I didn't like it. As I said, after the fight, Akihito knew that he was wrong, that his ways was full of holes; he knew that Gasai was right and had a better way to do things... but he still went to fight him; because he wants to, not because he needs to; for a justice that only he and Benio "belives." A "fantasy justice" that he said that doesn't exist from the very begining of the novel. If he wanted to be selfish, I would prefer a "4th party ending with a 4 sides war," but obviously, it's only my preference, that's why this ending dissapointed me.

 

Well, I guess I missed some explanation about the "ending in a ally of justice way." I forgot to put a "failed" there haha So... "the ending was in a failed ally of justice way." Trying to explain now, they tried to be heroes (for themselves, in their ways) but failed. So, it's the same thing that you said in the end haha

 

Yes, this was just an introduction. Im still hyped for Kagome's Route~~

[Kurisu-Chan]

I'll say something, just something  the final route deserves to play every bit of this game.

[Rilarion]

I'll say something, just something  the final route deserves to play every bit of this game.

 

its legit

[suikashoujo]

I would agree with that. I wasn't into most of the game, but the ending was fantastic.

[Decay]

Man, I am really getting tired of Akihito talking about "red", getting that specific flashback, and picturing or talking about his knife.  I mean, I get that it was a very life-changing event for him, but geez, not like I'm going to forget it if they don't keep bringing it up every five minutes.

This is Comyu's biggest problem. It doesn't really stop.

 

 

Does Akihito get any decent character development in the other routes, aside from being shown to be a hypocrite?  It's kinda bugging me just how similarly he's acting in Hisoka's route as he did in Benio's.

 

 In routes 3 and 4 he is at least a little different, I'd say. If there's one route for character development, I imagine it would be the Kagome route since it's the true route, but I still haven't read it. I should do so as soon as I finish what's currently on my plate.

[Nerathim]

 I don't think that any author in their right minds would do something so oblivious as putting the same scene over and over while not realizing it. The red color spam is intentional, I don't see it as a real flaw, it's part of the game being pretentious in terms of forms, you may not like it but don't forget that it's just a feature of the VN (probably butchered by the translation anyways, even though I liked it in english) and not something worth complaining about again and again, unlike Hisoka's development...

[Kaguya]

Benio sucks, and it affects her route. It doesn't matter if the writers decided to make her a character like that on purpose... They could have pushed something better. Her route is ok in the end, while it could have been good. I have no idea why they decided to push the weakest non-ayaya route on the player first. Would have led to my favorite moment in the game if there was a "screw you and your justice, Benio. Leave me alone" option somewhere in that path.

 

Hisoka also sucks, and it doesn't affect her route. That's how sucky heroines should be, people. 

 

Ayaya depends on your tastes. I like the shy type of kouhai, so I disliked her. Still, her route has more value than people make it out to have. You can just skip the sex scenes for some comedy gold and Mayuki-sensei lessons.

 

Mayuki is a nice heroine. Her route is significantly brighter than the rest of the VN, and I thought it was boring at points, but still, a solid route. Whether it is better than Hisoka is all up to your tastes. 

 

I also disliked Kagome... But her route is great. Definitely the best in the game, with none of the others getting even close to it. 

 

Even with me disliking most of the heroines, I still really enjoyed this VN. That says something about the quality of the work.

[Nerathim]

 

I also disliked Kagome...

 

Say what ?

[Aceinthehole]

I thought the whole vn was pretty average to be honest. All of 2 routes worth reading + Negligable art assets + The transformation of a legitimately horrifying life experience into an unintentional running joke + Benio makes it impressive that the VN wasnt outright bad. Speaks volumes to the quality of the rest of the work.

 

I also found Izawa to be the most compelling character in the story. Wish he would have gotten a little more face time.

[Kaguya]

Say what ?

Sorry, the only heroines I really like are the servant types, and Kagome goes directly against that. To put it in perspective, this game does have a character which would be the perfect heroine to me, Yoruko. If you played as Gasai, anyway. 

[Nerathim]

Talking about Yoruko, she definitely deserves more screentime. I think Comyu would have been even better if there was the same process than Ayakashibito : a perspective change (switching to Gasai's HQ for a moment, for instance), that could have been really good on some characters. I remember some change of perspective with Benio and Izawa but this was limited to Akihito's coµ each times.

[Oiacz]

About the red color, I liked that.......until the 6th or 7th time that it appeared. Yeah, after that was really difficult and I started skipping this flashbacks...

[suikashoujo]

Yeeeeah, I wasn't a fan of Kagome as a heroine, either. Her route was really good- enough that it improved my overall impression of the game- but for some reason, she just irritated me for the majority of the scenes she was in. I understand why she had to be there, but I don't really understand the appeal. To each their own, though, I guess. I liked Mayuki.

[Nerathim]

The thing with Kagome is that she is one of the very very few girls in VN and animes that is capable and dependable. It's rather masochistic to have a girl that exposes her problems to the protagonist and also need to be helped or "saved" in some ways : that's it nearly everytime in a lot VNs.
Kagome is really smart mouthed (oh yes she is) but she can also acts when it's needed, she isn't our small girl in distress and proves to be smarter and stronger than anyone else in the cast. She got a real, unique personality with a solid mind and that's worth mentioning. (Usami Haru from G-Senjou and most of the females in 07th Expansion works are also independent but that's still too few in the media, and Kagome's personality touched me more)

[Kurisu-Chan]

Speaking about repetitive scenes? you never read Shikkoku no Sharnoth then.

 

 

 

Awesome VN btw.

[Ragna92]

Just finished the VN. Overall a great VN. One of the more enjoyable ones. The common route is definitely one of my favorites. It did a good job on getting the reader into the world of Comyu.
 
Characters were also pretty good. Gasai is without a doubt by far my favorite.

His death in the true route really hit me hard. I couldn't believe that he actually died. Until I finished the VN I still believed that he still lived and faked his death. Definitely one of the most impactful deaths for me.

 

[Mr Poltroon]

I've started Comyu. 

I don't think I've been at it for too long but I've formed my initial impressions.

Up until meeting the "King"

I'm a sheltered guy. I hardly ever leave the house, and when I do, it's almost certainly not at night. This visual novel likes to talk about two subjects a lot, two subjects which I'm not exactly comfortable about. The miserable shadiness of the night in the city, and sex life. The latter constitutes pretty much all comedy thus far (how does one even manage that?) and the former makes for the setting and circumstances surrounding out protagonist's life.

 

Other than that, not much is known about the plot yet. I believe we were shown a team at the beginning and now we've been sent back in time to see how they met and how it all works and stuff.

We've also been revealed that there's some kind of incident in the town. Explosions killings in the like, which were attributed to a religious cult. Shady, to say the least.

"that" thing probably refers to the childhood friend, who knows.

 

Oh yeah, Kagome having the same voice as some other characters I can recall is almost painful.

[Nerathim]

Just fap to Gasai's charisma and continue reading, the beginning of Comyu is too scattered but it will get better.

[Kurisu-Chan]

Just fap to Gasai's charisma and continue reading, the beginning of Comyu is too scattered but it will get better.

 

...No homo?

[Mr Poltroon]

This.  Just get through the first two routes, treat Ayaya's route like the joke that it is, and you're golden.  I disliked Benio's route because of Benio (she annoys me...), but aside from her, it was good, she just kinda ruined it for me.

 

Hisoka, Mayuki, and Kagome's routes are the best, in my opinion.  Hisoka is a meh heroine (she's not there that much) but her route is different than the others in a good way, Mayuki's is all about otaku stuff, and Kagome's is...well, Kagome's route, and Kagome is best girl.  Much more epic than all the others combined.

I don't know... I have a feeling I will like most of the stuff about this game, but it might be just me.

 

Here are my thoughts thus far.

Up until fighting with Jack the Ripper

(Just how far into it have I gotten, I wonder?)

I really, really, like the protagonist. Apparently it's only to girls but he tries to save and help people (thus far).

His exchanges with Kagome are hilarious, actually. In fact, I love how he plays the straight man all the time.

Benio's been really cute though I'm kinda wondering whether I'm in a route or not. I understand that O-Haru-san is O-Haru-san, but I really hope that Benio kissing him isn't part of the common route.

Speaking of Benio, back when this came out quite a lot of complaints were directed at her herself because of her idealism and stuff. Thankfully for me, I am unaffected by idiotic actions in the name of some illusion of an ideal.

Kagome too OP. Why must you have that voice?

Mayuki has been great thus far, and this is just her (surprisingly random) personality. Even the game has shown me that she's "a liar", so its got me interested in what that means. Kaguya liked it, so that's my biggest clue that she shouldn't be exactly innocent.

Izawa is that guy with bad appearances but who probably isn't so bad at heart. Probably...

The maid makes herself appear really simple and clueless. Can I really find it in myself to believe that?

Ayaya is quite fun and cute. I personally like her. I wonder what it is you find wrong with a route based on her?

Kururi is really interesting, and honestly, quite hardcore.

 

I'd usually present theories and point out suspicious stuff... But I can't be bothered. At least you get my thoughts on characters. Very well developed and unbiased thoughts.

[Kurisu-Chan]

Ayaya's route is 100% kouhai fluff, with some h-scenes thrown on top.  It only serves to introduce a character that is present in Kagome's route.  If you want it to be anything more than that, you're going to be sorely disappointed.  I don't have a problem with her character (besides the fact that she's incredibly annoying, but I can handle that), it's her route I dislike.

 

It's kinda strange that you like Akihito, honestly.  A lot of people dislike him, or even hate him, and prefer Gasai to him in a lot of ways.  Seems like that was intended, but still.  He's...a bit of a douche, and he's a bit too immature for my liking.  I got tired of his obsession with large breasts; I mean, sure, all straight guys like breasts, but geez, he goes overboard.  I remember scenes where that was all he talked about  >.>

 

Ayaya's route is 100% kouhai fluff, with some h-scenes thrown on top.  It only serves to introduce a character that is present in Kagome's route.  If you want it to be anything more than that, you're going to be sorely disappointed.  I don't have a problem with her character (besides the fact that she's incredibly annoying, but I can handle that), it's her route I dislike.

 

It's kinda strange that you like Akihito, honestly.  A lot of people dislike him, or even hate him, and prefer Gasai to him in a lot of ways.  Seems like that was intended, but still.  He's...a bit of a douche, and he's a bit too immature for my liking.  I got tired of his obsession with large breasts; I mean, sure, all straight guys like breasts, but geez, he goes overboard.  I remember scenes where that was all he talked about  >.>

This is also overexagerated, since the whole purpose of the main char and the VN is to point out the oversexualization of our societies, so it's a bit logical that Akihito is, not a pervert but a complete hentai womanizer.

[Mr Poltroon]

Ayaya's route is 100% kouhai fluff, with some h-scenes thrown on top.  It only serves to introduce a character that is present in Kagome's route.  If you want it to be anything more than that, you're going to be sorely disappointed.  I don't have a problem with her character (besides the fact that she's incredibly annoying, but I can handle that), it's her route I dislike.

 

It's kinda strange that you like Akihito, honestly.  A lot of people dislike him, or even hate him, and prefer Gasai to him in a lot of ways.  Seems like that was intended, but still.  He's...a bit of a douche, and he's a bit too immature for my liking.  I got tired of his obsession with large breasts; I mean, sure, all straight guys like breasts, but geez, he goes overboard.  I remember scenes where that was all he talked about  >.>

100% fluff? Seems like the kinda thing I'd enjoy.

As for Akihito...

My opinion hasn't changed much (played up until Rondo's H-scene). He plays the straight man, is mostly rational, I can't think of any time he was a douche thus far and I haven't seen that much immaturity. Don't know what kinda VN's you've been playing, but by my admittedly low standards he isn't; he's got self control. He may think it, but hardly ever shows it.

Yeah, there are scenes like that, but those are purely comedic and served their purpose.