Comyu Discussion

[Kurisu-Chan]

100% fluff? Seems like the kinda thing I'd enjoy.

As for Akihito...

My opinion hasn't changed much (played up until Rondo's H-scene). He plays the straight man, is mostly rational, I can't think of any time he was a douche thus far and I haven't seen that much immaturity. Don't know what kinda VN's you've been playing, but by my admittedly low standards he isn't; he's got self control. He may think it, but hardly ever shows it.

Yeah, there are scenes like that, but those are purely comedic and served their purpose.

 

100% fluff? Seems like the kinda thing I'd enjoy.

As for Akihito...

My opinion hasn't changed much (played up until Rondo's H-scene). He plays the straight man, is mostly rational, I can't think of any time he was a douche thus far and I haven't seen that much immaturity. Don't know what kinda VN's you've been playing, but by my admittedly low standards he isn't; he's got self control. He may think it, but hardly ever shows it.

Yeah, there are scenes like that, but those are purely comedic and served their purpose.

Only think i hate about him, he's unfaithful, and pretty much has a dick instead of a head.

[Decay]

Most people prefer Gasai? Are you sure about that? Gasai was a pompous douchebag. Who on earth would prefer him? Akihito was much more relatable.

[RinXD]

I feel like this Vn skips around alot on plot things leaving you quite confused

[Decay]

Ehhh...that's debatable, but that might make sense in Akihito's case, since he gets it on with at least two heroines/main characters per route.  If it is actually a caricature of our culture, it's not obvious immediately, or at least it wasn't to me...I thought they just went heavy on the fanservice in order to attract more readers.

 

You're the first person I've seen that's preferred Akihito over Gasai.  Sure, he's a pompous douche, nobody is denying that, but he's doing wrong things for the right reason, while Akihito is doing the right things for the wrong reason.  They both have a point, but ultimately, Akihito does not see the bigger picture, and just does things because he's in the moment, no matter how bad the consequences might be.  Like Kurisu says, he kinda thinks with his dick, and that's kinda repulsive, at least if you don't think that nailing as many chicks as possible is the ultimate goal in life.

 

Well, Akihito is really selfish but I don't think that makes him wrong. He wants to save everyone he cares about while putting an end to conflict. I'd say that "doing the right things for the wrong reason" absolutely does not fit him since in any other VN he'd be a standard altruistic protagonist but in Comyu, it's shown how those desires can actually be selfish and possibly hurt others in the process, while possibly not even being attainable anyways. It's an interesting way to portray a protagonist and represents a desire most people have and don't follow through on, which is why I said he's relatable. Meanwhile, Gasai is largely just power hungry and I don't see what makes him interesting at all.

 

As for the thinking with his dick part, well, I guess to some extent. When it comes to Haru and Rondo, he did what most single pubescent males would do. I think he's just willing to engage in casual sex when he doesn't perceive himself as being tied down in an established relationship and I don't think that's a repulsive point of view at all, but rather perfectly normal. There was one exception to this and I didn't actually like that scene but I don't think it degraded the quality of the VN by much.

[Mr Poltroon]

I did not address Akihito's tendency to have sex with various women because I wanted to finish a couple of routes first. See what's common route and see what's unique on my first playthrough. 

But as it seems he does mostly the same in all of them, according to the people above, I'll do it now.

 

I have no problems with sex. It is usually related to love and whatnot and I'd wager it's why it's related to unfaithfulness. But in most of the H-Scenes thus far I don't think I've seen him display feelings of love in any real way (it's actually hilarious to see how emotionless he looks in Rondo's H-Scene). 

Unfortunately, I skip far too much of H-Scenes to be able to remember if Benio's are any different, but both Rondo and Haru simply satiate sexual desire and not much more.

[Kurisu-Chan]

Ehhh...that's debatable, but that might make sense in Akihito's case, since he gets it on with at least two heroines/main characters per route.  If it is actually a caricature of our culture, it's not obvious immediately, or at least it wasn't to me...I thought they just went heavy on the fanservice in order to attract more readers.

 

You're the first person I've seen that's preferred Akihito over Gasai.  Sure, he's a pompous douche, nobody is denying that, but he's doing wrong things for the right reason, while Akihito is doing the right things for the wrong reason.  They both have a point, but ultimately, Akihito does not see the bigger picture, and just does things because he's in the moment, no matter how bad the consequences might be.  Like Kurisu says, he kinda thinks with his dick, and that's kinda repulsive, at least if you don't think that nailing as many chicks as possible is the ultimate goal in life.

 

Well of course, there's a mix of the two, the fact that 95% of the H-scenes are random as hell like "hey akihito, nice to meet you, let's do something" "H-scene" 

 

But yes, it's clearely a caricature of men who just go to nightclubs in order to bang random chicks with no love or anything, and that's why pretty much everyone is perverted in this VN.

 

Also i include the sex jokes to the h-scenes, i think they serve the same purpose.

 

As my favourite male char? Izawacchi, because yes, he's a tsundere, a bandit, a killer everything, but he do that in order to protect his friends, his family, even strangers (the drugged woman, how he talks sometimes about his sisters) No, Izawa has a damn good soul, but he just looks harsh because he basically lives in a dangerous area, and had to become a demon, a complete tsundere.

[Mr Poltroon]

I've finished Benio's route, or so I'm led to believe. If the wakthrough's to be trusted however, this isn't the last I've seen of her route. 

Anyways, here are my various impressions:

I really do like Akihito... Being impulsive also makes for a good protagonist. They even say it. They often are in manga and the like, which means people like it. Well, I do.

I appreciate both the authoritative kind, calm and calculative kind, or, Akihito, who seems to like being calculative, impulsive and harem protagonist at the same time.

Benio is honestly fine with me, though what she does is not much different from other people. Other people do what they think it's just, even if it stands against ethics and morals. It just so happens that Benio is usually always on the side of the morals and ethics (the immediate consequence, not the long run, that idiot).

As for the plot itself it was pretty interesting. Lots of behind the scenes and I like how Akihito plays this like I would. Doing favours for the round table and for Caesar. Always staying on the big-shots' good sides. Otherwise, he also tries to fight "evil", or whatever they decide to call that. How hero-like.

I don't have much more to say. The final battle with the King was mostly ctrl-skipped through, as I tend to do for fight scenes. From what I did grasp however, Akihito was getting caught up in the moment and thinking some really dark stuff. Of course the ally of justice wouldn't let him.

The King let them live. As I don't think he'd be the kind to let those who oppose live in such a manner I'll assume it has to do with how Akihito didn't use any shady tactics when he had plenty of opportunities to do so. Take out his car immediately or use the witch, for example.

 

I enjoyed the ride thus far. I suppose I should be more expectant of such an acclaimed VN, but I don't really care much other than knowing I enjoyed it. 

Had it ended right now it would get a 8/10 from me. More towards 7, as it has ended too abruptly after the first playthrough.

[Mr Poltroon]

I've finished Soejima's route. Both ends.

Kagome... It's so strange. Everytime we think she's gone for good she comes back. Is she that dependent on Akihito?

No big opinions other than that. Yeah... I just enjoyed it.

After the Normal End, I can say that the Good End was hilarious, you know, after all that happened.

 

This route does feel wholly more complete when compared to Benio's. Maybe because it had two ends? 

[Kurisu-Chan]

I've finished Soejima's route. Both ends.

Kagome... It's so strange. Everytime we think she's gone for good she comes back. Is she that dependent on Akihito?

No big opinions other than that. Yeah... I just enjoyed it.

After the Normal End, I can say that the Good End was hilarious, you know, after all that happened.

 

This route does feel wholly more complete when compared to Benio's. Maybe because it had two ends? 

 

She's actually not that dependent of Akihito, but she sure loves to play with her "plaything" AKA Bullying Akihito.

And also don't expect spoilers from me.

[jjm152]

I just have to add to the gushing here.

 

Overall this type of VN isn't one that I particularly like thematically and I found the moralizing a little bland (sorry, but after having spent a significant amount of time at university discussing natural law and human rights, the prose here comes off as pedantic and shallow).

 

That being said...

 

Kagome is fucking insanely awesome.

 

Everything that is bad, or poorly done, or shitty about this VN pales in comparison to the awesome goddess that is Kagome Hinaori. To me, she will forever more be the example by which all other deredere osananajimis will be held to. She is the gold seal. The standard of excellence. Quite possibly my favorite VN heroine (and I've been reading them for well over a decade). She's so plainly and obviously the star of this VN that you almost think that the reason why you have to unlock her route is because otherwise you'd just go for her and then drop the bloody game. 

 

I don't think it's possible for me to gush any harder about her at all.

 

About Kagome and Akihito - 

I disagree that Kagome isn't dependant on Akihito. I think that it's pretty obvious by the time you get to the end of her route, particularly when you hear her internal monologue at the ending, that her affection for Akihito is the only thing that actually tied to her to the world at all. In fact, her entire arc parallels Akihito's - they are both surviving, miserably, but they aren't living. Most people don't bring this up because Kagome subverts the osananajimi (childhood friend) trope really well, but her and Akihito also share that old standby the "childhood promise" too. One of the things that makes the writing here really good is that they reference it in the arc, but they don't bring it out front and center all the time, but if you re-read the ending monologue by Kagome, it nearly brings her to tears to remember it. It ought to be clear by the end of the VN that Kagome is a cynic filled with an enormous amount of self-loathing. In that light her interactions with Akihito makes a lot of sense - she continually belittles him and is rude to him, but persistently stays by his side and invades his personal space. She's both pushing him away because of her cynicism and as a way to test him, but stays close by because deep down inside she wants to believe in him. Her big character development, or the conclusion to her route, is when she admits that she can't be a "witch outside of the world" any more - which is what Akihito proves to her, amazingly enough (for once) through his own personal character development.

 

It's a really snappy piece of writing all around. There's not too many VN's where both the protag and the main heroine actually develop in meaningful and complimentary ways and I think this one is by far the best example I've seen in recent memory.

[Stormwolf]

Man this is a weird vn for sure. I don't understand almost anything they're going on about. Protagonist does contradict himself quite a bit doesn't he? Say one thing and a little while later says the exact opposite? I'm just at the point where they met up for the first time though. And Kagome is amazing thus far! Well, i wouldn't mind if her attitude was knocked down a notch or two at times, but that's a minor issue.

No Haru route?  Well, she's a cheater so a route would be hard to do unless they changed that fact, but i'd love a heroine like her for once! I'ts like vn creators wants to do it, but keeps the young adult characters on the side for some reason. Too old for the Japanese audience? 

The Vn sure is interesting, but it's hard to really like since they're just talking nonsense all the time. I hope stuff starts making sense somewhere down the line.

[Freestyle80]

Now that i think about it Kagome is eerily similar to Momoyo from Majikoi

although she's less annoying and not as dumb as Momoyo ;p 

[Stormwolf]

She does sometimes remind me a little bit of Ryou from Ikinari. Ryou is pretty much my kind of heroine, problem being that she was a unlikable bitch from the start to the end with no developments at all.

[Decay]

Not necessarily ladies man, but he's the type that's exclusively nice to ladies, and they sometimes call those types feminists in Japan. Translating it as feminist in english doesn't really carry the same meaning. 

[Stormwolf]

ohh yeah. Started a while ago and resumed again the other day. I completely forgot how he kept saying he's a feminist and then suddenly going on about how he hates weak women. I was pretty confused to say the least.

well, regardless if he calls himself a feminist or a ladies man, there is a contradiction in what he says about women.

[Stormwolf]

I'm sure it'll drive me crazy at some point if it's as bad as people say. It's been a minor annoyance thus far  

[Nerathim]

7 hours ago, Freestyle80 said:

Now that i think about it Kagome is eerily similar to Momoyo from Majikoi

although she's less annoying and not as dumb as Momoyo ;p 

what

they're just both overpowered but otherwise they don't resemble each other at all

[Freestyle80]

13 minutes ago, Nerathim said:

what

they're just both overpowered but otherwise they don't resemble each other at all

mhm, its been over a year so i could be wrong but felt like stuff like how they treat the MC etc were also similar and ofc they were both stupidly overpowered 

[Fred the Barber]

On ‎1‎/‎20‎/‎2016 at 5:20 AM, Stormwolf said:

Protagonist does contradict himself quite a bit doesn't he? Say one thing and a little while later says the exact opposite?

"But so what?"

[Maxel]

Finally finished this one, after couple months of break (didn't want to struggle through all the routes for Kagome etc.)

Have to say, VN was good, nothing extra ordinary, just good. If Kagome was missing from the character cast I would even call this VN mediocre, but that's probably me. I really liked common route, all the ideas it has presented. Kagome was the best character in this VN, I loved her in the common route, and also through her route, she was better in common though (slighlty) Overall 7,6/10 from me.

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Story:
Common: 80/100
Kagome: 70/100

Art: 70/100

Music/Voicing: 80/100

Characters: 80/100 (TY Kagome for being there, otherwise would give like 6 or 6,5 ^^)

Overall: 380/500 = 7,6/10