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[MasterTreecko]

And here are the Starter Pokemon for Sun and Moon! From left to right: Rowlet (Grass/Flying), Litten (Fire) and Popplio (Water)

[TexasDice]

Owl you need is love.

 

[Kelebek1]

Awful starters in terms of looks this time around. The only one worth taking is the cat.

[TexasDice]

On Mittwoch, 11. Mai 2016 at 2:43 PM, Kelebek1 said:

Awful starters in terms of looks this time around. The only one worth taking is the cat.

[LiquidShu]

I think they look wierd but not awful. If ya stare at them long enough they get pretty cute (plus the fan art). Pokemon Moon probably the only game I'm truly hyped for this year (unless Dynasty Warriors 9 comes out). The legendaries took awhile to grow on me, but they did. I knew I was already getting Moon but now I am for sure.

Does anyone else play the Pokemon TCG here?

[Makudomi]

I'm pretty sure every single starter has been greeted with "they look bad this time around" by the more vocal part of the fandom.

They'll grow on us, just like the last 6 sets. But yeah, Nyabii/Litten is definitely my pick.

Who could say "no" to a face that's...pretty much saying "no" to you already? Cats are great, I swear.

[kyrt]

I'll be honest I'm sold on the owl and the cat. The seal dog looks pretty awful although starters have started out bad in the past and become decent by the end of the track. I'm curious about the evolution tracks although I am quite happy that they are trying something different with them this time around.

Rowlet - Grass/Flying

Litten - Fire/Dark (If this is not the case I will be very surprised)

Poplio - Water/Fighting (honestly with the design they currently have outside of ice I really can't see a good secondary attribute outside of fighting or maybe psychic but that would be pushing...although maybe they'll give it a fairy attribute lol).

 

Oh also Hawaii confirmed. If the island in the trailer looks small that's because Hawaii is made up of 8 islands and we only see one...(8 badges and 8 islands coincidence I think not).

If anyone bothered to watch the japanese trailer as well as the english one then you will notice that skin pallets are back for the main characters although it is not yet known if clothing customization is back. Pokemon has a habit of removing the best new things from each previous game when they release new ones. It seems unlikely that they would remove it though.

Of the two legendaries though I definitely prefer the McGinnis (kudos if you get the reference). I will probably be getting moon unless this is a case of you get the opposite legendary that's on the box.

 

[Arcadeotic]

Well competetively speaking Rowlet will probably never see the light of day in anything higher than RU

Depending on the stat distribution, Litten might be a stellar option in maybe UU for some of the beefier Steel and Fairy Pokemons and it's basically a Mega-Meavile check and that might be enough of a niche for it along with being a Dark-type that can withstand Fairy attacks and being a nice offensive core with a Dragon-type. Although Landorus is a huge thing in OU

Poplio's movepool is the dealbreaker here. It has the potential to be a sweeper with a huge movepool ala Greninja, but Water/Fighting isn't the best offensive typing out there as it gets completely destroyed by Talonflame. I'd say this one is RU/UU material as well

[Leaf]

These are the starter Pokemon, well I can say they look better than the X and Y starters, the bird and cat look nice, but i'm having issues with the seal, not only is it ugly it also looks like a combination of these two Pokemon.

 + 

I mean don't we already have a sea lion pokemon right here.

Gotta say my favorite outta the bunch is Litten, fire types are always the favs with people it seems, me being one of them.

The legendary pokemon look pretty amazing, also a huge step up from X and Y. A lion and a giant bat are pretty cool.

 The tropical theme is also very interesting something that hasn't been done since Hoenn. Now things that I want to know about are the Gym Leaders, Elite Four, Evil Team, Rival or Rivals, Professor and the Champion.

[TexasDice]

On Freitag, 13. Mai 2016 at 1:03 PM, Arcadeotic said:

Well competetively speaking Rowlet will probably never see the light of day in anything higher than RU

Depending on the stat distribution, Litten might be a stellar option in maybe UU for some of the beefier Steel and Fairy Pokemons and it's basically a Mega-Meavile check and that might be enough of a niche for it along with being a Dark-type that can withstand Fairy attacks and being a nice offensive core with a Dragon-type. Although Landorus is a huge thing in OU

Poplio's movepool is the dealbreaker here. It has the potential to be a sweeper with a huge movepool ala Greninja, but Water/Fighting isn't the best offensive typing out there as it gets completely destroyed by Talonflame. I'd say this one is RU/UU material as well

>talks competitive

>smogon

[Arcadeotic]

31 minutes ago, TexasDice said:

>talks competitive

>smogon

That's the system everyone uses

Pls

[TexasDice]

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[Makudomi]

18 hours ago, TexasDice said:

>talks competitive

>smogon

18 hours ago, Arcadeotic said:

That's the system everyone uses

Pls

Randoms only please. lmao

[Arcadeotic]

9 minutes ago, Makudomi said:

Randoms only please. lmao

Literally garbage lol

[Makudomi]

4 minutes ago, Arcadeotic said:

Literally garbage lol

I just can't get into the awful monotony of the tiered meta any more. The only reason I ever bother these days is to show up with a stupid gimmick team and see how many scrubs unsuspecting veterans I can catch off-guard.

[Arcadeotic]

But still my points stand

Rowlet has pretty much one of the worst typings around, which makes really not viable in the competitive scene.

Litten's typing is good for Fairy and Steel checks and makes for a good offensive core with something that's weak to Fairy. It also is a good choice for a Dark monotype team for those pesky Fairy-types.

Poplio is well...

Firstly, it has potential to shine, but it all depends on three things: movepool, final typing and its Speed stat.

If its movepool is wide, it can work as a bulky sweeper with Choice Specs or something or a surprise sweeper with a Scarf. If not, well, I guess it's just a generic Water-type bulky sweeper or a wall.

The speculated Water/Fighting is a rather uncommon typing, but it's not the best, both offensively and defensively. Defensively, it gets destroyed by every fast Electric type out there and Fighting gives it a glaring weakness to Flying, one of the most common offensive types. It also gives a weakness to Fairy, a type that's been ganikg more and more usafe offenaively. Offensively, Water is common offensive typing, it's okay. Fighting gives it an edge to Steel, Dark, Normal and Ice. Dark and Normal don't pose an issue, but Steel was never an issue to Water-types, given their natural resistance to it. Same goes with Ice. Honestly, this type combination only adds weaknesses and barely any positives. Fighting is also a crap offensive typing for special attackers, with only good attacks being Aura Sphere, which is horribly rare, and Focus Blast, which can't be trusted, ever. I dearly hope its typing isn't this.

If it's fast, it can make its place with the other fast water sweepers. Water-types often utilize Ice and Flying attacks, both very good offensive types. This makes Water-types great sweepers. But, if Poplio is slow, it'll just stay as the generic slow Water attacker, which we have so many of already. And looking at the design, honestly, it's hard to see this one having a faster base speed than 85 in its third stage.

Edited May 15, 2016 by Arcadeotic

[Makudomi]

@Arcadeotic My complaints about the metagame as an activity aside, yes, I agree -- assuming that all of these very early predictions about the starters' types are accurate down the line, and also assuming that GF doesn't tweak the meta further in Gen 7. Gen 6 set a precedent that they are paying attention and are willing do things like removing resistances from Steel or even dethroning Dragon.

Don't forget about Hidden Abilities, either. Do you really think Greninja would be OU, let alone banned, without Protean?

For all we know, Nyabii could have Prankster or something.

[Arcadeotic]

16 minutes ago, Makudomi said:

@Arcadeotic My complaints about the metagame as an activity aside, yes, I agree -- assuming that all of these very early predictions about the starters' types are accurate down the line, and also assuming that GF doesn't tweak the meta further in Gen 7. Gen 6 set a precedent that they are paying attention and are willing do things like removing resistances from Steel or even dethroning Dragon.

Don't forget about Hidden Abilities, either. Do you really think Greninja would be OU, let alone banned, without Protean?

For all we know, Nyabii could have Prankster or something.

Yeah, I've been in the competitive scene for about three years, and I assume most of these predictions will come true

Anyways, Rowlet's utterly garbage type really can't be saved with a HA

If Litten got Prankster, it'd basically be Liepard 2.0, so I doubt it'd happen. If it did, it'd easily change from a sweeper to a pivot. But honestly, I think it's going to get something like Solar Power, something to enhance its attack power. It makes most sense.

Poplio'll probably get Hydration or something. Starters' HAs have usually been quite generic, booating a certain stat in one way or other. It could also be Swift Swim, which honestly wiuld be the best case scenario, making it very viable in rain teams.

[Makudomi]

@Arcadeotic Same amount of years as me, then. ;D

I don't disagree with your predictions of what would happen IF they become Grass/Flying, Fire/Dark, and Water/XXXX with mediocre abilities that barely surpass Overgrow/Blaze/Torrent in terms of relevance. I'm just saying that GF still has so much time to surprise us that it's a little pointless to jump to conclusions.

And hey, going off of Gen 6 starter HAs...you can't say that they weren't given unique abilities, even if Magician is trash and Bulletproof is "kind of useful sometimes". Personally, I think that they're going to give at least one of them something unexpected. Would anyone have expected Chespin to turn into a giant Man-Chipmunk, or even Fennekin to randomly become a witch? First stage designs only say so much about the final form. Like, if I had my Gen 3 memory wiped and was shown a picture of Torchic, I would never have imagined it would evolve into a horrifyingly OP fighting chicken-man with Speed Boost.

It's just way too soon to predict the tides. But I do agree that Rowlet is pretty much screwed outside of a miraculous change in the meta (Grass has been underpowered forever...) or some godsend ability with that typing. Litten and Popplio, on the other hand, are way too open-ended to declare.

[Arcadeotic]

25 minutes ago, Makudomi said:

@Arcadeotic Same amount of years as me, then. ;D

I don't disagree with your predictions of what would happen IF they become Grass/Flying, Fire/Dark, and Water/XXXX with mediocre abilities that barely surpass Overgrow/Blaze/Torrent in terms of relevance. I'm just saying that GF still has so much time to surprise us that it's a little pointless to jump to conclusions.

And hey, going off of Gen 6 starter HAs...you can't say that they weren't given unique abilities, even if Magician is trash and Bulletproof is "kind of useful sometimes". Personally, I think that they're going to give at least one of them something unexpected. Would anyone have expected Chespin to turn into a giant Man-Chipmunk, or even Fennekin to randomly become a witch? First stage designs only say so much about the final form. Like, if I had my Gen 3 memory wiped and was shown a picture of Torchic, I would never have imagined it would evolve into a horrifyingly OP fighting chicken-man with Speed Boost.

It's just way too soon to predict the tides. But I do agree that Rowlet is pretty much screwed outside of a miraculous change in the meta (Grass has been underpowered forever...) or some godsend ability with that typing. Litten and Popplio, on the other hand, are way too open-ended to declare.

Well yeah

But that's the point of speculation and predicting

I'm just using my foreshight and insight from all the time I've been on the competitive scene to give my speculation on these starters

[Makudomi]

14 minutes ago, Arcadeotic said:

Well yeah

But that's the point of speculation and predicting

I'm just using my foreshight and insight from all the time I've been on the competitive scene to give my speculation on these starters

No argument there. One of the major sources of entertainment aboard the Hype Train is the speculation phase.

Now let's see what kind of evolutions get revealed over the next few months!! Personally, I want to see Popplio surprise everyone and be the coolest-looking of the three.

[Arcadeotic]

13 minutes ago, Makudomi said:

No argument there. One of the major sources of entertainment aboard the Hype Train is the speculation phase.

Now let's see what kind of evolutions get revealed over the next few months!! Personally, I want to see Popplio surprise everyone and be the coolest-looking of the three.

Yeah

I'll be surprised if it becomes anything else except Dewgon or Samurott 2.0, tbh

I'm most interested as what Litten's going to look like

[Makudomi]

Just now, Arcadeotic said:

Yeah

I'll be surprised if it becomes anything else except Dewgon or Samurott 2.0, tbh

I'm most interested as what Litten's going to look like

The way I see it, if I don't like its evolutions, I'll just solo the game with basic Litten. ( ｀ー´)ノ

[Arcadeotic]

31 minutes ago, Makudomi said:

The way I see it, if I don't like its evolutions, I'll just solo the game with basic Litten. ( ｀ー´)ノ

I will literally throw my 3DS at a wall if it's an another fucking lion

[Makudomi]

6 minutes ago, Arcadeotic said:

I will literally throw my 3DS at a wall if it's an another fucking lion

Are you saying the Gen 6 Fire lion and the Gen 7 Fire lion (legendary!!) are already enough for you?

Please Arca. Next, you'll be telling me there are too many Bug/Flying Pokémon...or perhaps Fire/Fighting starters.