Fuwanovel Confessions

[Lucius]

1 minute ago, Mkilbride said:

Just going to say, yeah, I believe Ryushishi and M.night are very comparable in the way they write their characters and stories. Hell, even their real-life personal issues are similar.

Oh, oh! I'm convinced. What a remarkable deduction, Mkilbride. 

But seriously, no.

[Totodile]

Confession: I was trying to download a movie completely 100% "legally" and i realize Kicka- 'The site that shall not be named' is down. Apparently they arrested the guy. Bummer. At least Reddit did something good for once in it's life and provided a quick solution. 

On the other hand I have to start packing to move next week  you think moving to a next state is arduous? well wait till you gotta move countries like i'm doing ya damn twatwaffles. How the hell am i gonna know how to get around? I regret all my life decisions entirely. 

@Flutterz I might just move to Canada if trump wins, but the thought of moving to a next country again so soon will legitimately kill me 

[Flutterz]

1 minute ago, Totodile said:

@Flutterz I might just move to Canada if trump wins, but the thought of moving to a next country again so soon will legitimately kill me 

Please don't

[Kenshin_sama]

12 hours ago, Mkilbride said:

As for Steins;gate, my issue is with how there's so many plot holes. It's Time Travel, sure, they'll exist, but Steins;gate gets tons of praise, I see in reviews and websites, for "Doing Time-Travel smart", and all I can think of is there's like 7-8 plotholes just on the surface level, let along if you dig deeper.

One of the most pointless things you can argue about in Steins;Gate is plot holes. No matter how you try to look at it, everything is justified.

"I think I can safely say that nobody understands quantum mechanics." -Richard Feynman

For a time travel story, I thought it was really neat. Yeah, sure, the writers definitely took full advantage of the liberties that come with writing a time travel story, but at least they included some actual documented research to solidify the anime as a science fiction work.

[Mkilbride]

Yes. They talked about real science. But they didn't use it.

[Kenshin_sama]

9 hours ago, Mkilbride said:

Yes. They talked about real science. But they didn't use it.

Not real science, but a scientific event is the central theme to the story. Are you familiar with John Titor and the IBM 5100 by any chance?

http://www.johntitor.com/Pages/5100.html

[Mkilbride]

Yes. A completely made up story. I get it.

 

My issue is, time travel stories are going to have plot holes - I completely expect that. But when the author is trying to tell you -there- aren't, when there are -very- obvious ones, it bugs me.

[Lucius]

5 minutes ago, Mkilbride said:

Yes. A completely made up story. I get it.

 

My issue is, time travel stories are going to have plot holes - I completely expect that. But when the author is trying to tell you -there- aren't, when there are -very- obvious ones, it bugs me.

This coming from the guy who supports M Night. Shamalavan.

 

[Kenshin_sama]

10 minutes ago, Mkilbride said:

My issue is, time travel stories are going to have plot holes - I completely expect that. But when the author is trying to tell you -there- aren't, when there are -very- obvious ones, it bugs me.

But there aren't any plot holes. When it comes to time travel, it is literally impossible (at this point in time) to create a plot hole. Why? Because it is impossible to create a paradox by time traveling.

Physicists reveal how the universe guarantees paradox-free time travel

Like I said, it's a pointless debate.

[Down]

Y'know, this isn't gonna go anywhere if someone doesn't concretely lists what plot holes they think there are in Steins;Gate so we can examine them.

[Darklord Rooke]

Why are people expecting good quality 'hard science fiction' from their VNs? 'Hard' sci fi is the domain of those who have science degrees, professors of science, and those who work in fields of science. Alastair Reynolds worked at the European Space Agency for over a decade, Isaac Asimov studied biochemistry, and Stephen Baxter mathematics and engineering. It is a very intimidating field to enter.

With sci-fi animes or VNs, if you're to enjoy the story just accept that there'll be plot holes or problems with the science and be done with it. 

[Kenshin_sama]

31 minutes ago, Down said:

Y'know, this isn't gonna go anywhere if someone doesn't concretely lists what plot holes they think there are in Steins;Gate so we can examine them.

Well, the only plot hole that comes to mind is the Grandfather Paradox that is infamously difficult to wrap your mind around. I myself only have a gross understanding of quantum theory, so it's kinda difficult for me to come up with better arguments in regard to the plot holes in Steins;Gate. But what I'm trying to get at is that there isn't a single person in this thread (unless there's someone with formal education on the matter) who is qualified to say anything in regards to the plot of Steins;Gate.

Quantum mechanics is very weird and anti-intuitive, so you really can't measure a time travel story by standard logic.

[Darklord Rooke]

11 minutes ago, Kenshin_sama said:

But what I'm trying to get at is that there isn't a single person in this thread (unless there's someone with formal education on the matter) who is qualified to say anything in regards to the plot of Steins;Gate.

The logical extension of that argument is that unless the author has a formal education on the matter, then he isn’t qualified to defend the show against any criticisms concerning plot holes and science matters. I don’t think you want to wander down that path.

I should point out that plenty of people criticise Doctor Who for its plot holes and weird science, but hardly anybody cares.

[Kurisu-Chan]

What? string theory is easy to understand, and quantum physics, well, even if they are kind of a big subject, there are like a ton of books availlable out there.

 

Now i'm triggered, but since people love to shit on popular shows, here i am.

The string theory explained during the conference is 100% coherent, real, and is exactly the same you'll find in...stephen hawking books, you know, the guy who actually came up with black holes.

 

The whole theory about time distortion thanks to black hole is based on a simple principle : THEORY OF restrained RELATIVITY, or even general relativity , the faster you move, the slower time will move.

Now, since we're talking about what is science bullshit, i'll tell you, it's the time machine, the D-mail machine and...that's all...but the scientific principle is correct, accurate and cleverly explained.

But yes, the time machine, the D-mail and the time leap machine are bullshit, but they use an actual real scientific concept, but meh, continuous plothole, you may have one of the few shows who handled correctly time travel, yet you say that. 

[Kenshin_sama]

7 minutes ago, Rooke said:

The logical extension of that argument is that unless the author has a formal education on the matter, then he isn’t qualified to defend the show against any criticisms concerning plot holes. I don’t think you want to wander down that path.

That's a good point. Alright, I'll retract my statement on that.

[Kurisu-Chan]

You don't need to be graduate on astrophysics or quantum physics to figure out how a black hole works, there are countless books over here, you can attend real life conferences too, stop thinking that the only way to get knowledge is to be a graduate from Harvard...etc 

[rainsismyfav]

On 2016/8/5 at 0:52 AM, Zenophilious said:

Wait until the retranslation comes out, it's less shit 

Be in good company, then, because like Flutterz said, you pretty much described most of us here.  Go back quite a ways in this thread and you can read us talking about relationships and how crappy we are at starting them.  Well, except for rains, but rains is apparently too busy with his FULFILLING LIFE and his NICE GIRLFRIEND to post more than once in a while.  What a loser.

obvious /s is obvious

Yep, too busy with my FULFILLING LIFE in Final Fantasy XIV and my NICE GIRLFRIEND --- my maid retainer.

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[Eclipsed]

I feel bad for people who can't enjoy sci-fi time travel stories that are reasonably explained within the confines of their ingame lore because of 'plot holes' 

 

[Fred the Barber]

There are highly-respected physicists who assert that time travel to the past is not ruled out by the known laws of physics (even if it is incredibly impractical). What's there in Steins;Gate is probably sufficiently reasonable, from that regard, even if what it presents precisely isn't possible. But as a software engineer, I find the computer stuff so far off as to make no sense. Compressing a person's entire mental state into 100-odd bytes by using a black hole for "compression"... uhh, no. That's not how compression works. Proprietary database format that can only be read by an IBM-5100? It would almost certainly be more trivial to reverse-engineer than your average VN is to hack.

Fortunately, it wasn't too hard for me to set that stuff aside and still love the VN.

[Lucius]

Thankfully, I'm not a big fan of Steins;Gate - with or without said technobabble about time-travel and whatnot.

[Flutterz]

2 hours ago, rainsismyfav said:

Yep, too busy with my FULFILLING LIFE in Final Fantasy XIV and my NICE GIRLFRIEND --- my maid retainer.

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Wow, did you 3D scan Cyr and upload her to the game? Looks just like her

[Rime]

My heart is as cold and frozen as the landscape in my avatar.

Also, I'm 5up3r 3dgy.

God, that was painful to type. Don't make me do it ever again.

[Mkilbride]

4 hours ago, rainsismyfav said:

Yep, too busy with my FULFILLING LIFE in Final Fantasy XIV and my NICE GIRLFRIEND --- my maid retainer.

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Haha, nice, here's me, I love the Butler outfit.

 

 

 

[Totodile]

On 8/8/2016 at 0:14 AM, Rime said:

My heart is as cold and frozen as the landscape in my avatar.

God i almost got a rare form of brain disease just reading that. 

 

On 8/7/2016 at 0:20 AM, Flutterz said:

Please don't

Flut-tan plz i need sympathy. 

 

Speaking of old people who are way older than me and make me feel completely comfortable about my grey hairs, @Zebhra sup fam. 

[Kurisu-Chan]

On 08/08/2016 at 4:47 AM, Eclipsed said:

I feel bad for people who can't enjoy sci-fi time travel stories that are reasonably explained within the confines of their ingame lore because of 'plot holes' 

 

Non-existant plot-holes you mean? Call me next time we are able to time travel, guys.