G-Senjou no Maou Thoughts and Questions

[Kleif]

Just finished gsenjou, and it's really masterpiece, that riddle and mysteries really interesting. Side story really doesnt have any relation with maou. When it enter route of one of side heroine, maou will not appear again. It looks like that guy really doesnt have any interest with his true goal. But, i am really glad to play side story first, because if i play directly to haru route, it would be just a filler for other heroine.

That epilogue was....its really doesnt want to end just like that huh

Looking for more mystery VN hehehe

[Rilarion]

In Kanon Route After Kyousuke completely falls in love with Kanon, Maou gives up saying "He's found something more important, which is love" or something like that..  

If that isn't a plothole I don't know what is..

[Scars Unseen]

In Kanon Route After Kyousuke completely falls in love with Kanon, Maou gives up saying "He's found something more important, which is love" or something like that..  

If that isn't a plothole I don't know what is..

 

It's not a plot hole.  It's a side route.  

[Rilarion]

It's not a plot hole.  It's a side route.  

 

Normally side routes connect with other routes, provides additional information to the story. in G-Senjou that isn't the case, they practically change maou's identity...

[Abyssal Monkey]

Normally side routes connect with other routes, provides additional information to the story. in G-Senjou that isn't the case, they practically change maou's identity...

It's not practically, they DO.  I tend to side on TVTropes for this one.  Its a Schrödinger's situation.  They both are in a superstate until you choose a route and after that it collapses into just one of them.

[Kosakyun]

...I didn't even notice that shift in identity.

Or maybe I did? It's been a few years since I've read.

[Rilarion]

...I didn't even notice that shift in identity.

Or maybe I did? It's been a few years since I've read.

 

You were probably too focused on h-scenes don't worry kosaki

 

 

It's not practically, they DO.  I tend to side on TVTropes for this one.  Its a Schrödinger's situation.  They both are in a superstate until you choose a route and after that it collapses into just one of them.

Hmm well that is understandable, I don't know wheter that was the intention or it was their plain laziness but I'll put my money on the first. It's easier to like the game that way.

[Kosakyun]

You were probably too focused on h-scenes don't worry kosaki

 

Honestly, the best H-scenes in this game were Kanon's.

Second would be Mizuha for me.

[Tyrael]

Honestly, the best H-scenes in this game were Kanon's.

Second would be Mizuha for me.

Truth

I really liked how the H-scenes for the bad ends in this game felt really rape-y and wrong to enforce the fact that you picked a BAD end

[Kosakyun]

I really liked how the H-scenes for the bad ends in this game felt really rape-y and wrong to enforce the fact that you picked a BAD end

 

I actually thought they were appropriate.

Kyousuke bears the name of 'Maou' all until the Last Chapter, so technically, it does good in enforcing his personality as the 'Maou' behind the scenes, twisting everything to that very fact. Only to be rekt by Kyouhei.

[Amuzie]

I actually thought they were appropriate.

Kyousuke bears the name of 'Maou' all until the Last Chapter, so technically, it does good in enforcing his personality as the 'Maou' behind the scenes, twisting everything to that very fact. Only to be rekt by Kyouhei.

 

Now that i think about it that's true, he is very "bad" in the bad ends to imply that he is "Maou-desu" not just cus he's sometimes a bastard... 

_{To be honest i skipped the bad ends.. So yeah...}

[Scars Unseen]

You were probably too focused on h-scenes don't worry kosaki

 

 

Hmm well that is understandable, I don't know wheter that was the intention or it was their plain laziness but I'll put my money on the first. It's easier to like the game that way.

 

It's definitely intentional.  Keep in mind that you are supposed to think that Kyousuke is Maou until the big reveal in Haru's route.  If they didn't at least heavily imply that this was actually the case in the side routes, all impact from that reveal would be lost.  That's why I said it wasn't a plot hole.  It's a necessary separate state.  

 

On the other hand, although it is implied that Kyousuke is Maou in the side routes, it isn't outright stated to be so, which leaves room for alternative explanations.  For instance, Maou's plans, if brought to fruition, will definitely disrupt Kyousuke's life.  It is possible that Maou, seeing Kyousuke turn away from being a slave to money and starting down a road that could truly make him happy, decides that freeing his father and exacting revenge isn't worth ruining his brother's new life.  It's a bit of a stretch, given the depth of Maou's obsession, but then again, it's also only in Haru's route that their mother gets killed, and it's only after that that Maou goes on the direct offensive instead of his previous strategy of misdirection.

 

There's some room for interpretation.

[Rilarion]

 

It's definitely intentional.  Keep in mind that you are

supposed to think that Kyousuke is Maou until the big reveal in Haru's route.  If they didn't at least heavily imply that this was actually the case in the side routes, all impact from that reveal would be lost.  That's why I said it wasn't a plot hole.  It's a necessary separate state.  

 

On the other hand, although it is implied that Kyousuke is Maou in the side routes, it isn't outright stated to be so, which leaves room for alternative explanations.  For instance, Maou's plans, if brought to fruition, will definitely disrupt Kyousuke's life.  It is possible that Maou, seeing Kyousuke turn away from being a slave to money and starting down a road that could truly make him happy, decides that freeing his father and exacting revenge isn't worth ruining his brother's new life.  It's a bit of a stretch, given the depth of Maou's obsession, but then again, it's also only in Haru's route that their mother gets killed, and it's only after that that Maou goes on the direct offensive instead of his previous strategy of misdirection.

 

There's some room for interpretation.

 

With Saber as your avatar, I can't defy you .. Jokes aside, what you're saying makes a lots of sense, thank you for the explanation. G-Senjou is the first VN I've finished and still one of my favourites. It makes me glad, that there isn't a plothole like that

[Kosakyun]

With Saber as your avatar, I can't defy you .. Jokes aside, what you're saying makes a lots of sense, thank you for the explanation. G-Senjou is the first VN I've finished and still one of my favourites. It makes me glad, that there isn't a plothole like that

 

You could also interpret it as Kyouhei saving Kyousuke from his fate of being 'Maou'.

He takes all the blame and anger from all the people, along with his hopes and dreams. He casts it away all to oblivion, just to save the remaining member of his family ---- Kyousuke.

 

Whelp. What a heartwarming story.

 

Only if it was true.

[Mugi]

The only thing I disliked (and man, I REALLY disliked it) about it was the MC's personality. Biggest douche in all of the VN's I have read.

[melo4496]

The only thing I disliked (and man, I REALLY disliked it) about it was the MC's personality. Biggest douche in all of the VN's I have read.

 

I made some of my friends play G-senjou but they quit even before finishing tsubaki's route because they hate the protag.

[Mugi]

I made some of my friends play G-senjou but they quit even before finishing tsubaki's route because they hate the protag.

I can see why, he's the worst in her route. Hell, I almost dropped it. 

And don't get me started on the bad ending. I started using guides after that so that I don't come across an ending like that ever again.

[Kuky_nekoi]

I can see why, he's the worst in her route. Hell, I almost dropped it. 

And don't get me started on the bad ending. I started using guides after that so that I don't come across an ending like that ever again.

Never stepped on a bad ending without using guides for g-senjou tho... Can I have a lil spoiler?

[Mugi]

Never stepped on a bad ending without using guides for g-senjou tho... Can I have a lil spoiler?

Pretty much becomes a slave to Kyousuke, dives into drugs, smoking, drinking alcohol. It's not pretty.

[Kuky_nekoi]

Pretty much becomes a slave to Kyousuke, dives into drugs, smoking, drinking alcohol. It's not pretty.

Suddenly, I feel like playing G-senjou because bad ends.

[Mugi]

Suddenly, I feel like playing G-senjou because bad ends.

I mean if you enjoy worst case scenarios, go at it.

[Abyssal Monkey]

I never saw the Kyousuke as a douche MC, I found him incredibly pragmatic and sensible.  Really relatable actually.  It has been awhile since I've played it though, so maybe I'm remembering wrong, but I never felt his character out of place at all or completely unbelievable (sans bad ends).  Can you guys give me specifics about what you hate about the guy with justifiable reasonment?

[Mugi]

I never saw the Kyousuke as a douche MC, I found him incredibly pragmatic and sensible.  Really relatable actually.  It has been awhile since I've played it though, so maybe I'm remembering wrong, but I never felt his character out of place at all or completely unbelievable (sans bad ends).  Can you guys give me specifics about what you hate about the guy with justifiable reasonment?

Just from a romantic standpoint, he treats all of the heroines like shit 

until he inevitably changes his ways, of course. Which can take a while, if it happens at all (like if you get a bad end).

If they don't make money or have some sort of financial worth to them, he won't give them the time of day, and he's extremely manipulative. I suppose you could say that his personality is justifiable 

because of how it was for him growing up and such

but I don't think it's an excuse to treat everyone like an object. This is all subject to opinion though, of course. I'm sure there are people that think differently. This wasn't a problem in the true route, however 

as it seemed to focus more on the plot than romance.

[Kuky_nekoi]

Just from a romantic standpoint, he treats all of the heroines like shit 

until he inevitably changes his ways, of course. Which can take a while, if it happens at all (like if you get a bad end).

If they don't make money or have some sort of financial worth to them, he won't give them the time of day, and he's extremely manipulative. I suppose you could say that his personality is justifiable 

because of how it was for him growing up and such

but I don't think it's an excuse to treat everyone like an object. This is all subject to opinion though, of course. I'm sure there are people that think differently. This wasn't a problem in the true route, however 

as it seemed to focus more on the plot than romance.

I like that. 

[Abyssal Monkey]

but I don't think it's an excuse to treat everyone like an object. This is all subject to opinion though, of course.

I fall on the exact other end of the spectrum.  While humanitarianism is good and all, using and being used is how progress happens.  I don't think he was using anything as an excuse, but rather acting like a normal person would.  Can you honestly say that you haven't lied and/or manipulated a person before to give yourself a more favorable situation?  I mean humans have evolved to lie, and humans are just another resource to be used for progress.  There is a reason why we have a common metaphor relating humans to being a cog in a machine.

 

Oh well, I guess I just like my characters to be more than a good willed savior all the time.