dowolf Posted February 9, 2015 Posted February 9, 2015 Mods, forgive if I'm going off topic a bit, but: To expand on this a bit: MajiKoi's script is 27 files. MajiKoi S's script is 264 files. The logistics of finding what is and isn't done in that game would be a nightmare. Simply finding out what is and isn't translated, and which files belong to who, would be a very extensive job. It would then need to be translated by extracted script, rather than each whole route. The original game, while a massive undertaking in its own right, pales in comparison to S. I imagine the A games a bit simpler, due to only have 3 absolute routes with nothing in common and no side routes, but I'd have to open up the script and look. not really. the scripts' filenames, while not immediately intuitive, are pretty simple to map out to each of the routes. (Letter gives the character [in roughly order they're in on the route select screen], first number is usually [but not necessarily] the subroute. Then there's an underscore, followed by the in-game date of that script, followed by an underscore, followed by that script's position on that date. For instance, if on 11/3, you go on a date and then have sex with character d, the date would be d1_1103_0, and the sex scene would be d1_1103_1.) Number of lines to translate is roughly the same number that I did in total for Majikoi, though a... significantly higher percentage of them are sex scenes. The biggest problem is that speakers are not explicitly stated in the script (except, strangely, the first time they speak in any given script...?)--instead, they're implied by the filename of the voice clip. And in those filenames, each character is mapped to a single integer (which goes up to at least 212!!!), so a mapping from integers to names is necessary. Quote
twdarkeh Posted February 9, 2015 Posted February 9, 2015 not really. the scripts' filenames, while not immediately intuitive, are pretty simple to map out to each of the routes. (Letter gives the character [in roughly order they're in on the route select screen], first number is usually [but not necessarily] the subroute. Then there's an underscore, followed by the in-game date of that script, followed by an underscore, followed by that script's position on that date. For instance, if on 11/3, you go on a date and then have sex with character d, the date would be d1_1103_0, and the sex scene would be d1_1103_1.) Number of lines to translate is roughly the same number that I did in total for Majikoi, though a... significantly higher percentage of them are sex scenes. The biggest problem is that speakers are not explicitly stated in the script (except, strangely, the first time they speak in any given script...?)--instead, they're implied by the filename of the voice clip. And in those filenames, each character is mapped to a single integer (which goes up to at least 212!!!), so a mapping from integers to names is necessary. Adding in the names is the easiest part. They're incredibly obvious in the script(at least in a hex editor), and as long as you have a list of who you're looking for, it's a simply copy and paste job. Wouldn't take more than 5-10 minutes. The problem with the scripts in S is the method which we're using to patch this game. Yandere edited the script directly, allowing us to use an update pac to keep what is and isn't done clear. While I'm reasonably certain wairu did the same thing, I'm not sure how well the update will work. This game has update.pac and update2.pac, making the obvious next choice update3.pac. S has only update2.pac. This means that either wairu can't count, likes screwing with people, or had a problem using update.pac. Depending on which of those three is the case, creating a working patch in the same fashion we are here could be problematic. Now, someone will inevitably ask why we don't just edit the script directly. The simple answer is because that can(and probably will) screw up any existing installs with saves. Which is, obviously, bad. I'm not saying it's impossible, or even all that difficult(depending on what the problem actually is), just that it would take a committed team(TL, QC, one programmer, and a beta tester at least) to make it worth even investigating. It's not like wairu were exactly forthcoming with how and why they did what they did. Quote
ApolloFortyNine Posted February 9, 2015 Posted February 9, 2015 No, you won't. Not to be rude, but how long does the average 5000 line QC take? Is this number greater or smaller than 7 months? Quote
Ferri Posted February 9, 2015 Posted February 9, 2015 QC stands for Quality Control / Check, as such it is the last phase of the project. What's done in the QC phase is: 1) reading through the translated lines for typos, 2) checking that the translation is consistent for each route (e.g. the way the character speaks is constant), 3) line placement is correct (i.e. the words fit in the text box - this rarely needs fixing, however), 4) fixing the above errors if found. Assuming the QC'er is a native English speaker this phase doesn't take that long. At most it will take twice the amount of time it takes to play through the game once - if there are no typos and the translation is consistent, it takes exactly the same time as playing through the game once. Thus the answer to your question, Apollo, is: a 5000 line QC takes less than 7 months. Depending on the reader it takes less than 7 hours. Quote
The Protagonist Posted February 9, 2015 Posted February 9, 2015 Guys, I know everyone is getting antsy, but calm down, just let them do their work without stress from this side Just send praise Also if you guys dread translating sex scenes, I know a guy that made it easier by just using different kinds of slang, Its hard to cringe when youre laughing your ass off Quote
Patrick Aupperle Posted February 9, 2015 Posted February 9, 2015 Also if you guys dread translating sex scenes, I know a guy that made it easier by just using different kinds of slang, Its hard to cringe when youre laughing your ass off I'm against this idea. I really hope the translation team will take any and all translation seriously. I don't play these games for the sex scenes, but I wouldn't want to feel that I am missing anything due to bad translation. I'd like to think that the experience I am getting from a game is as close to the original as is feasible in a proper English translation. benny and Kazama09 2 Quote
ScrubFloorHyrule Posted February 9, 2015 Posted February 9, 2015 Not to be rude, but how long does the average 5000 line QC take? Is this number greater or smaller than 7 months? Unfortunately whenever you somehow accidentally delete your hard drive it takes longer. Quote
dowolf Posted February 9, 2015 Posted February 9, 2015 Assuming the QC'er is a native English speaker this phase doesn't take that long. At most it will take twice the amount of time it takes to play through the game once - if there are no typos and the translation is consistent, it takes exactly the same time as playing through the game once. This estimate is, at best, silly. Even in the strange circumstance where Ouraibaa doesn't change a single thing I wrote, reading with a critical eye takes significantly longer than reading for fun. If you think you can do the job that fast, I would not want you to do it. Making all the characters sound weird in sex scenes would be bad and unprofessional. The real problem is, the original sex scenes in Majikoi are frequently bad, disgusting, stupidly long, and/or filled with repetitive onomatopoeia. Though there are a few diamonds in the rough... NeroDragon12, FinalChaos, Darklord Rooke and 2 others 5 Quote
havoc Posted March 3, 2015 Posted March 3, 2015 nice update, looking forward to the patch Bye the way please ouraibaa no spoiling images. Quote
Ouraibaa Hjyuraa Posted March 3, 2015 Posted March 3, 2015 nice update, looking forward to the patch Bye the way please ouraibaa no spoiling images. Are you saying that Miyako and Yamato kissing in Miyako's route is a spoiler? Quote
Segai Posted March 3, 2015 Posted March 3, 2015 Oh yes, awesome. Thank you guys for putting all that effort in translating this game, I seriously can't wait to fully play it. Quote
havoc Posted March 3, 2015 Posted March 3, 2015 Are you saying that Miyako and Yamato kissing in Miyako's route is a spoiler? Who knows? Quote
periah250 Posted March 3, 2015 Posted March 3, 2015 its finally QCed and only needs patched....WE DID IT!...well the translation team did it but THEY DID IT! Quote
Level-ZERO0 Posted March 3, 2015 Posted March 3, 2015 We are finally down to the home stretch, everyone cross your fingers that we'll see the project finish in the next few weeks, and don't forget to thank the great people who took the time out of their daily lives to give us this great gift of Majikoi. Quote
NeroDragon12 Posted March 3, 2015 Posted March 3, 2015 Wow everything's 100% now we are one step closer to world peace Quote
Abyssal Monkey Posted March 4, 2015 Posted March 4, 2015 Currently watching my torrent of this. Laughing as it spiked today in peers. That's how you know people were paying attention. Quote
SoulJustIn Posted March 4, 2015 Posted March 4, 2015 lucky i already have Majikoi ..... i forget where or when i have it...... maybe when 1st patch released..... Quote
FinalChaos Posted March 4, 2015 Posted March 4, 2015 Are you saying that Miyako and Yamato kissing in Miyako's route is a spoiler? Quote
Abyssal Monkey Posted March 4, 2015 Posted March 4, 2015 I just knew that you were planning to give a surprise at 100%, getting us anxious by not posting anything for so many days. Now it's only a matter of time till the patch is released and the vn community explodes. I'm pretty sure that the 100% QC news must be spreading like wild-fire right now. The number of seeds on the old torrent went up by 25% so far, and the number of peers spiked to equal half the current seeds. I've been at full upload (200kb/s, not much) ever since they posted that the QC was finished. Quote
FinalChaos Posted March 4, 2015 Posted March 4, 2015 The number of seeds on the old torrent went up by 25% so far, and the number of peers spiked to equal half the current seeds. I've been at full upload (200kb/s, not much) ever since they posted that the QC was finished. This is just the hype, simply imagine what will happen once the patch is released. Hype Hype !!!!! I already want to read Majikoi now ......... Quote
Loli-Knight Posted March 4, 2015 Posted March 4, 2015 Currently watching my torrent of this. Laughing as it spiked today in peers. That's how you know people were paying attention. Quote
Abyssal Monkey Posted March 4, 2015 Posted March 4, 2015 Hrm, wouldn't mind pm'ing that to me would you? I haven't been able to find one for the life of me. My search is probably horrendously off in some manner, but still >.> Quote
sub-zer0 Posted March 4, 2015 Posted March 4, 2015 If you're quick, the original thread in the translation section still has it linked in the first post. This is also me telling Zeno to go remove it. NOW RACE! Quote
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