Uk Lolicon Prevention Act

[arakura]

Also one thing all these laws seem to be ignoring is that these media do not cause the fetish in question. If a person is a lolicon and a pedophile (I am not versed well enough to claim they are the same, though I would not support being a lolicon ensuring criminal action like pedophilia), they are a lolicon because they were fucking attracted to kids in the first place. Lolis do not, in any way, make people pedophiles. Moreover, I do not think loli material has any direct correlation with worsening pedophiles' "symptoms", so to speak.

That's not necessarily true

[Narcosis]

It's mostly outdated, but substantial enough. As for the customs - US is well known for it's rigorous and stiff-necked customs service and we're talking about imported stuff which is outright illegal in most states. You're just asking for trouble and in the end, it will only depend on guys receiving your package. If someone has a stick up in their arse, lolicon manga or animu figurines will be as evil to them as drugs or guns (oh, the irony).

 

As for the Miller test, it was designed as a prevention mechanism; it will always result in a positive, it's been made like that and for a good reason. US was always a one, huge mormon hole; I pity the people who live there.

[Funyarinpa]

That's not necessarily true

 

Would you read loli because you are a lolicon or would you become a lolicon because you read loli?

 

The first case seems far, far, far more likely to me.

[sanahtlig]

IAs for the Miller test, it was designed as a prevention mechanism; it will always result in a positive

Um... no?

 

I will agree the Miller Test standards are vague.  Prosecutors typically don't prosecute cases they don't think they can win, so all we see are instances of what fails the test (or *might* fail the test), not what passes.  Some think that any non-nukige would pass the Miller Test by virtue of artistic value.  The problem is that police don't need a court conviction to search your residence and uncover materials which are more likely to be deemed obscene, including Internet doujinshi.

 

Anyone claiming to know the exact boundaries of what is and isn't obscene is ignorant or lying, perhaps both.  It's a huge grey area, and will remain so for the forseeable future.  Obscenity law was designed from the ground up to be a dynamic legal concept that could morph to meet law enforcement needs in different locations and communities, and adapt with changing times.

[sanahtlig]

[The 4chan infographic is] mostly outdated, but substantial enough.

And it's also fundamentally wrong since it sidesteps the legal concept of obscenity and ignores federal statutes that could be used to prosecute a person in any US state.  Let me repeat: don't use this infographic as a legal resource.  Consider it like you would consider an analysis of climate change research by a political interest group: likely to be incomplete or incorrect.

[ExtraMana]

you got that right >.<

Britain seems to have so many weird laws, like, there was this one about a year ago where the ISPs were forced to block ALL porn sites

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/03/david-cameron-internet-porn-filter-censorship-creep

So if you want to watch porn, you need to CALL your ISP, and ASK them to unblock PORN. Its just so screwed up

As that article says:

" Linda is calling because, thanks to David Cameron's "porn filter", you now have an "unavoidable choice", as one of 20 million British households with a broadband connection, over whether to opt in to view certain content. Linda wants to know – do you want to be able to see hardcore pornography?

How about information on illegal drugs? Or gay sex, or abortion? Your call may be recorded for training and monitoring purposes. How about obscene and tasteless material? Would you like to see that? Speak up, Linda can't hear you."

I'm in England and I can tell you this never happened.

Don't believe what newspapers tell you.

The answer, as always, is that everyone should just move to Japan where people will totally accept you no matter what weird fetish you have*

*so long as you never talk about it to anyone ever.

V Yyyup. In Japan 'don't ask don't tell' is a life philosophy. No one cares what you like as long as they never find out what it is.

Sounds exactly like both the US and the UK.

T-T

[arakura]

Would you read loli because you are a lolicon or would you become a lolicon because you read loli?

 

The first case seems far, far, far more likely to me.

That's just you. There are a number of odd interests I have picked up by exposure.

[sanahtlig]

I'm in England and I can tell you this never happened.

Don't believe what newspapers tell you.

Really?  According to Wikipedia this Internet porn filter is a thing.  It's just that most UK households are not affected.  Yet.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_censorship_in_the_United_Kingdom#Current_restrictions

[Nimbus]

Illegal in Australia?

Damn it, now I need to clear the bodies out of my basement to make room!

[AmamiRiku]

I'm in England and I can tell you this never happened.

Don't believe what newspapers tell you.

http://snag.gy/usd73.jpg

well its blocked for me, I use proxies to get around it

[Darklord Rooke]

Illegal in Australia?

 

Scarily so...

[Deep Blue]

I don't think they even know the word "lolicon" here

[Funyarinpa]

That's just you. There are a number of odd interests I have picked up by exposure.

I see.

[Lewycool]

http://snag.gy/usd73.jpg

well its blocked for me, I use proxies to get around it

Must just depend on the area you're located. My ISP is Sky also, And I have no blocks on anything lewd.

 

You are aware you can op-out of these blockages? He said it himself, it's only to prevent Children from accessing porn without the parent being aware. 

Simple way is to phone your ISP and ask for them to unblock your porn. Simple as.    

[Yeah Way]

Ah, so here's something interesting. Lolicon does in fact count as 'child pornography' here in Ireland, as is therefore completely illegal to view.

 

 

 

Originally Posted by The Act, section 2 (1)
"child pornography" means—

[GA] (a) any visual representation—

[GA] (i) that shows or, in the case of a document, relates to a person who is or is depicted as being a child and who is engaged in or is depicted as being engaged in explicit sexual activity,

[GA] (ii) that shows or, in the case of a document, relates to a person who is or is depicted as being a child and who is or is depicted as witnessing any such activity by any person or persons, or

[GA] (iii) whose dominant characteristic is the depiction, for a sexual purpose, of the genital or anal region of a child,

[GA] ( B) any audio representation of a person who is or is represented as being a child and who is engaged in or is represented as being engaged in explicit sexual activity,

[GA] © any visual or audio representation that advocates, encourages or counsels any sexual activity with children which is an offence under any enactment, or

[GA] (d) any visual representation or description of, or information relating to, a child that indicates or implies that the child is available to be used for the purpose of sexual exploitation within the meaning of section 3.

 

Or perhaps you could argue that drawings aren't people and therefore aren't "a person who is or is depicted as being a child"? Fascinating.

[Deep Blue]

ISP Guy: Good day sir, how may I help you?

You: Yeah, hello, please unblock pornhub, I need to fap.

ISP Guy: Right away sir, can I help you with anything else?

You: No, that's all.

ISP Guy: Ok, sir. Have a good day.

You: Thanks, you too.

 

It doesn't sound awkward at all...

[Lewycool]

ISP Guy: Good day sir, how may I help you?

You: Yeah, hello, please unblock pornhub, I need to fap.

ISP Guy: Right away sir, can I help you with anything else?

You: No, that's all.

ISP Guy: Ok, sir. Have a good day.

You: Thanks, you too.

 

It doesn't sound awkward at all...

Just tell them you're reducing the risk of prostate cancer.

[Funyarinpa]

Seriously, why woudl you call your damn ISP when you can just download Zenmate

[ExtraMana]

Really? According to Wikipedia this Internet porn filter is a thing. It's just that most UK households are not affected. Yet.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_censorship_in_the_United_Kingdom#Current_restrictions

This is why people shouldn't read Wikepedia as a reliable source.

Its not. You can have all the porn you want here. Besides only a pleb wouldn't download Tor or setup a free VPN if the Goverment actually attempted anything.

http://snag.gy/usd73.jpg

well its blocked for me, I use proxies to get around it

Virgin ISP doesn't block anything except from a few torrents on the pirate bay which where blocked everywhere ages back.

Also there are other places for that anyway.

I suggest downloading Tor Browser for anything that is blocked, its a lot quicker than having to rely on proxies.

https://www.torproject.org/

[AmamiRiku]

Virgin ISP doesn't block anything except from a few torrents on the pirate bay which where blocked everywhere ages back.

Also there are other places for that anyway.

I suggest downloading Tor Browser for anything that is blocked, its a lot quicker than having to rely on proxies.

https://www.torproject.org/

I've used Tor for ages, It's slow as hell tho

Now i just use other proxies

[sanahtlig]

This is why people shouldn't read Wikepedia as a reliable source.

Its not. You can have all the porn you want here. Besides only a pleb wouldn't download Tor or setup a free VPN if the Goverment actually attempted anything.

You've given me zero reason not to trust the information contained in that article.  Did you read it?  Did you even click on it?  Or did you just assume that you know everything there is to know about Internet filtering in your country?

 

I get the distinct feeling you're telling me to disbelieve something I never stated or believed in the first place.

[ExtraMana]

You've given me zero reason not to trust the information contained in that article. Did you read it? Did you even click on it? Or did you just assume that you know everything there is to know about Internet filtering in your country?

Keep in mind that a random person's incorrect characterization of a source (the person you were initially responding to) does not in itself make the source incorrect. Accuracy of user posts on a public forum is typically much lower than newspaper and Wikipedia articles.

[sanahtlig]

I read it mate. I also live in the Country in question so excuse me if I happen to know what I'm talking about.

 

I'm going to make several statements.  Tell me which of these statements are incorrect.

 

1. 3/4 Major UK ISPs (TalkTalk, Sky and BT) have implemented what is termed "default filtering" for new subscribers.

2. Default filtering is the blocking of certain content on the Internet at the ISP level, primarily pornographic content, by default when Internet service is installed.  Users have the choice to opt out of this filtering, but it is installed by default.

3. As of July 2014, Internet filters of this type were installed in 13% of UK households.

[hankou]

That's just you. There are a number of odd interests I have picked up by exposure.

[Lewycool]

I'm going to make several statements.  Tell me which of these statements are incorrect.

 

1. 3/4 Major UK ISPs (TalkTalk, Sky and BT) have implemented what is termed "default filtering" for new subscribers.

2. Default filtering is the blocking of certain content on the Internet at the ISP level, primarily pornographic content, by default when Internet service is installed.  Users have the choice to opt out of this filtering, but it is installed by default.

3. As of July 2014, Internet filters of this type were installed in 13% of UK households.

 

You made three :/

 

Yes you can opt out. 13% is such a small margin and yes it's on by default due to "child protection"