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Hi o/ I did a little analysis on changing trends in Visual Novels using the voting data on vndb if anyone is interested. I put up the first part of the series here: https://bunnyadvocate.tumblr.com/post/159429107647/visual-novels-the-rise-of-a-medium This is part of a whole series of posts, with my next post looking at protags, and what kinds of traits different types of protags are associating with according to an analysis of the tag distribution on vndb. If you guys have any questions or comments about it, then I'd love to chat about it.

You play it for 3 things: Sunohara, Akio and Kyou. Others not as good

Clannad has shit pacing and desperately needs to be edited down to 1/4 of its size. I currently have it rated a 7/10 — its good moments are pretty good, and I'm even that special kind of sap who actually enjoy the enormous asspull of a true ending, but the tremendous amount of unnecessary crap and bad routes make it tough for me to enjoy. I think the anime is quite a bit better than the VN, though, largely because it 1) basically solves the pacing problems, and 2) makes the characters (especially the heroines) seem much more lively. In the VN, everybody felt kind of flat personality-wise, and of course the VN's character art is honestly pretty shitty. KyoAni did wonders for it, though I think what they did with Kanon is even more impressive (a worse VN than Clannad made into a better anime than Clannad's adaptation).

The common route is so ungodly boring that it makes me think the entire game is not worth my time no matter how much people praise it.

Hey guys. Remember me? Well I killed Black Sands about 5 months ago due to production costs being too high but I shifted my efforts to a much more cost efficient comic series in the same universe. I wanted to share with you my personal story because I feel it is a very interesting perspective from an EVN developer. The PAST I worked on Black Sands, Legends of Kemet for a little over a year.. I had updated my project page here close to 50 times and I had this very unusual story. In 2015 I launched my first kickstarter and failed miserably. Most people when they fail, they blame others for not reading their story and getting immersed. I didn't believe this at all. I felt I failed because my art was subpar and thus people never got the chance to read my story. I then recruited an amazing artist by the name of hydriss to create my VN. We worked for a year to get it ready for a kickstarter relaunch and overhauled the story to be more engaging. We had success finding major investors but they never had time for our production so after waiting months for a cash injection, we cut ties. We were then 10k in the hole. I killed production of Black Sands then and there and decided to do a much easier comic book series that was targeted at kids and their parents who were fans of DBZ and what not. I named it Kids 2 Kings. Not because it was a good name, but because it was a memorable name. It's really hard to forget. We created our first issue and released it on the madefire app and had great reviews. We then launched our kickstarter, which is in its last days now. The funny thing is we recently made a trailer for kids 2 kings and it went viral and facebook and twitter. Now sitting at 190 retweets and 235k views on facebook, Kids 2 Kings, is becoming my dream come true. Now it is extremely unusual for people to completely turn around and do something else but it is a very UNIQUE experience that you might want to learn more about so I AM OPEN FOR ANY AND ALL QUESTIONS. BTW, thanks Fuwa for keeping me motivated all these years when i was developing black sands. I couldn't have gotten to this point without you guys. https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/165752716/kids-2-kings-comics-about-4-kids-7-kingdoms-and-1

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If Clannad were an RPG or some kind of ""real"" game, it would most likely have the same religious cultists as OoT, FFVII, etc. Calling it the "Best of the Average" might be fitting nowadays since, let's be honest here: Most try to copy it. Clannad might be as well be a cornerstone that created the Age of Moege Madness that is today. Sure, it is even more overrated than those pieces of S* Diss Iraq, SupaHippie & Cringaia combined, but it defined the standard of tastelesness that the modern VN fan values.

I think when judging Clannad, it has to be considered how old this title really is. It was released in 2004, so it's about 13 years old now. I've read it just a few years ago when it was already about 10 years old and would have rated it a solid 7/10 at that time. But to be fair, if I would have read it ten years ago, it would have probably impressed me a lot more. Furthermore, Clannad is a school life nakige/moege which is nowadays amongst the most common VN's released in Japan, with most likely several dozen releases per year of varying quality. That means it has lots of competition by now. So I think there's no shame for a 13 year old title, that significantly defined the whole genre, to be just 'solid average' anymore today.

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Honestly, it depends of which aspect you're talking about. Clannad is my favorite VN so far mainly because there are so many routes and the novel pretty much throws you into the wolves in regards to choice-making. However, i'd probably call it overrated if we're only talking about the story.

Nice to meet you and welcome to fuwa I like your avatar picture

Nice to meet you and welcome to Fuwa I love your avatar picture very much

Well, at least i enjoy it, but the true route was s*i*. Nagisa is s*i*, at leats for me Nagisa y Fuuko are not worth reading, but every other route its has his good points.

Unless you've got a spare 200 hours (there's a guide called the 300 hour guide) the anime is quite the tempting alternative. You can't get to the after story unless you've unlocked each characters' sparkly thing (which is dodgy gameplay design imo. Replaying the lengthy common route 7ish times to do each character just so you can get to the ending feels like the developers trolling their fans.) The anime was actually a nice adaption, and if you like that then you can always play the VN afterward for added frustration depth

It's overrated and aged rather poorly. People are better off watching the anime adaptations, which are also far more enjoyable. Doesn't change the fact it remains one of the best down to earth slice of life drama ever created. Seriously though - save your time and watch the anime instead.

Don't worry it's never too late to introduce yourself to the community, with that out of the way. Hello and welcome to Fuw0, enjoy yourself

Extremely, bafflingly overrated.

Confession: I bought my first figure. I kind of hope it's also my last one, but I don't think that's how these things usually go. Full (not actually that long) story: This weekend is Sakuracon, and I decided it wouldn't be the end of the world if I got a figure, so I was keeping my eyes open. Despite spending quite a long time wandering the show floor, looking pretty intently at all the figures, nothing really grabbed me until I found a lone figure of Al from Demonbane tucked away on the bottom shelf of a random booth. Everything else I saw was like Love Live, or Fate, or KanColle, or something from some equally major anime. Once I got over the initial shock, I decided I really wanted it (and if I didn't buy it, who would, right)?

The multitude of ways Sunohura is fucked over will ensure it always remains close to my heart although I agree that the pacing and route order make it less enjoyable at points. It's been a while since I've read it but if i remember right a lot of the After Story stuff focusing on other characters like the Sanae and Akio was pretty solid anyway, so even knowing the big spoiler didn't ruin it for me. Also report to the ship as soon as possible.

I remember enjoying the anime but I've never had the urge to rewatch it or play the VN. Personally I really can't get past the art style of the VN. This guy really likes trying to troll starting debates.

I feel that there is some great stuff in Clannad, but ALLOT of unnecessary fluff and missed opportunities. Although it is really the space magic bullshit of an ending that drags it down from "great" to "good". It really does feel like something ran out, be it money, time, or fucks to give. The creators just went fuck it that's long enough and stapled a wretched deus ex machina to the end.

I think this is more of a personal matter than evaluating its quality. That Clannad is good is a fact, but that it is overrated is as well. When you read all Key games and understand what the author is doing there, Clannad looses most of its charm. For me, After Story was not about the fate of Nagisa, but how it was done, developed, described. Not going into spoilers here, but I alread knew the story for watching the anime first, but reading the same from the point of view of Tomoya was a completely new experience for me - and it was that that made me cry again. About being overrated, I already talked about it on one of the thousand Grisaia's threads, but I was totally ignored. Basically, all works that get as famous as Clannad did are overrated, but that does not mean that the work is not worth it, just that people are a pain.

Sure, it's possible to think of my despicableness, my inner darkness as a forum feature that allows the personality of everyone else to shine brighter and appear nicer than it would otherwise. Without my dark contrast other people's 'nice' personality would lose much of it's ... 'niceness', because if everything is white than there would be no white. 'Never to suffer would never to have been blessed' as Poe once, er, poemed. So you're welcome and feel free to thank me with cookies, or some pie ... actually some pie sounds mighty tempting :3 Thank you for the hard work, Tayleen It's all much appreciated

Awesome, I can finally leave my account that I've put a year and a half into as well as a decent amount of money just to start over!

You should do nothing for a few years. Then you can spend the rest of your life regretting that you wasted your youth. That's how we otakus usually spend our free time.

That's quite interesting data there, and as for OELVN I would said that perhaps sometimes they could be in equal with Japanese VNs in term of popularity (But not right now). The reason I said this because majority of the OELVN was quite bad to say it bluntly (Sakura series anyone), and yet there's some good OELVN like Lucid9 and of course Katawa Shoujo. In the end, as for OELVN thing I chose to just take a note at it. PS - To be honest, for now I kind prefer Japanese VN. But I also knew that there's some interesting future for OELVN there.

I have a heart too, you know.

Had this weird-ass dream where there was a VN with the 11eyes art style which was about the MC going up against three female vampires. Somewhere in the story, i got a joke choice between fortifying his mind or fortifying his dick. If i choose to fortify his mind and later on choose to give in to the vampires' temptation, you get a bad ending where they just kill the MC after having their fun with him. However, if i fortify the dick, it leads to a joke ending you get no choice but to give in to the temptation but the fortified dick makes the vampires fall in love with the MC and give up their goals of domination.

I guess I'm due for an update, since I've lost 20 kilos between this and the last picture I posted of me. Feel free to PM me with dank meme photo shops.

Here is a modified version of Otakulair's Da Capo 3 walkthrough Go ahead and check out their site for VN news The first 4 heroines on the list MUST be completed first(in any order you choose) before proceeding to the other routes! The (*) indicator means different CGs for both choices, if you want all CGs unlocked make sure to save before commencing these choices. Morizono Rikka Rukawa Sara Yoshino Charles Katsuragi Himeno Hinomoto Aoi TRUE END Scene Recovery (This is essentially covering all other choices you did not pick in the previous routes) Side Episodes END (Must have all previous routes cleared, including scene recovery)