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I honestly thought this was a thread where you were recruiting members to read the novel via stream.

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Yes huge part of VN fan base are only perverts who are into noting other then porn but those are not real fans of VNs and are the biggest disease for a otaku community. And no meter how much of people like those crawls their way into Otakuism the fact that Otakuism isn't about that won't change no meter how much you try to make it seem like it is all about that. Nukige are not really VNs they are just porn no meter how much you don't like it that is how it is. You call yourself a fan? Pfft, you make me laugh. Here's the cold hard truth: You're actually an anti-fan of the whole VN community. True fans can see all dimensions of visual novels and read several different genres from both sides of the opposite spectrum including the ecchi/sex scenes even if they are a sub-element or a central theme of it. Seeing that you hate the sexual dimensions of it so much, you're at the bottom of the pole at being a "true" visual novel fan. Visual novels aren't just reading words, probing plots and characters. It's suppose to be a medium to satisfy our fetishes and other things we usually don't digest from a regular book or movie. Maybe to you perverts that is how it seems but that is not what an otakuism is about. In fact quite the opposite otakuism is a very pure media and shit like porn and sex most definitely have no place in it. And between someone like me who dedicated his life to otakuism and someone like you who is only into porn witch is not even part of otakuism I think it is clear who is a true fan. Okami, say whatever you'd like about your opinions on porn, I really don't care about that; you are entitled to your own opinions. However, don't speak on behalf of otaku when you are being selfish and refuse to acknowledge anyone's opinion on anything. By saying that you know what they represent, you are completely disgracing them. Hell, even I can't speak on their behalf. Are you Japanese? No. Do you live in Japan? No. Have you ever actually spoken to an otaku from the country? No. Do that, and you'll soon realize that your opinions are not always logical.

I agree that you should add everything when making statistics, but everything that belongs in it. Porn is a completely different media that should not be labeled together with the non-porn media. Would you honestly count person who only watches porn as a movies fan? That is the same thing, people who are only into VNs for Nukiges and H-scenes are not really VN fans they are just fans of porn. Porn industry is also completely different from movie industry so if you ware to include both in chart what you would be doing is combine 2 industries not representing one as a whole. To be completely fair, the word "nukige" is an internet term that I am almost certain does not exist in Japan. If I asked one of the many fans while standing in line for a visual novel release for some good nukige recommendations, I guarantee they would have no idea what that term means. To Japanese people, PC games are PC games. Regardless of the genre, it's a market that focuses fantasies and story telling. About 90% of those stories involve porn. Based on your argument, you're saying that anything that contains porn should no longer be considered a visual novel, essentially meaning you are speaking for the entire country by calling them porn fans. While unfortunately a lot of VNs contain porn it is question of whatever or not those as a whole can be consider porn. I did say that people who are into VNs for Nukige and H-scenes are noting more then porn fans and how could you even be called differently if you are only into porn. And the fact that they do contain porn is the fact that shows us how terrible fan base for our media is. If you're not going to include all translated VNs, then don't call the chart "All Translated VNs", because then the name is wrong and misleading. Saying that nukige VNs aren't VNs is like saying that porn flicks aren't part of the film medium. Whether you like it or not, porn is filmed, and nukige VNs are VNs. Just because porn flicks aren't sold at your local movie store doesn't mean that they aren't movies (n. a story or event recorded by a camera as a set of moving images; a motion picture.), which they actually are. If you don't want to make statistics about nukige, fine, but it's incredibly irritating for you to mislabel something just because you don't like the part you're ignoring. If you don't want to include them, then just don't make the chart, or label it properly. It's really not that hard. I really don't get why you always have to bring up your vendetta against porn. Just about everyone already knows about it, and I can assure you, most of us really don't care. It is actually possible to keep your opinions about porn to yourself and not repeat them over and over again ad infinitum. No meter how much you like flapping porn is just porn it is and never will be anything more then that, and just because you want it to sound pritier and call your self a VN fan or movie fan that doesn't change facts that what you are into is only porn and not movies or VNs. just because you don't like to hear the truth and there are many people who are like you doesn't change that truth. And I newer really start doing those discussions on my own it's you people who have a need to go out of you way to defend things you like and to try to make them seem as something more then they are. Rather then being angry for me spiking the truth if you can why not try giving a reasonable argument of why should porn be counted as something that it is not, I have given mine on why it shouldn't even true it is something that should not even be questioned in a first place. I guess the countless arguments people kept giving you and keep giving you now mean nothing to you. I suppose 20+ people all arguing against your beliefs in the past year or so is enough to say that you are the only person who has given valid points and that everyone else is an idiot. You're back for a single day Okami, and you already manage to start this crap again. Simply amazing.

I agree that you should add everything when making statistics, but everything that belongs in it. Porn is a completely different media that should not be labeled together with the non-porn media. Would you honestly count person who only watches porn as a movies fan? That is the same thing, people who are only into VNs for Nukiges and H-scenes are not really VN fans they are just fans of porn. Porn industry is also completely different from movie industry so if you ware to include both in chart what you would be doing is combine 2 industries not representing one as a whole. To be completely fair, the word "nukige" is an internet term that I am almost certain does not exist in Japan. If I asked one of the many fans there for some good nukige recommendations, I guarantee they would have no idea what that term means. To Japanese people, PC games are PC games. Regardless of the genre, it's a market that focuses on made up fantasies and story telling. About 90% of those stories involve porn. Based on your argument, you're saying that anything that contains porn should no longer be considered a visual novel, essentially meaning that you are speaking for the entire country of Japan who started this genre by saying that they are not true VN fans. As someone who calls himself an otaku, it seems rather ironic that you have the right to judge those who understand what it means to be one more than you do.

The problem with this argument is that it could've applied at any point in the history of VN localization. But in fact companies like JAST never did run out of good games to localize, and in fact their list of partnerships just continued to grow. The environment is actually improving due to a variety of factors: the rise of anime culture, increased attention from fansites like VNDB and fan translation groups, the opening up of Steam to VNs, the rise of Kickstarter as a platform for funding VN localization, and the gradual decay of the Japanese market (which forces developers to look at other options or die out). You're looking at one tiny little microcosm: Sekai Project's partnership with Key, and forseeing that soon SP will run out of Key games to localize or fan translations to exploit. Well yes, the low hanging fruit will be picked and then SP will have to move to harder targets. That's hardly reflective of the market as a whole. The English eroge market is in trouble, but the threat isn't lack of developer interest. The threat is that they'll ignore the nascent English eroge market and focus on Steam and Kickstarter instead (which are hostile to erotic content), causing eroge licensing opportunities to dry up. There's a very real possibility that companies will further adapt to the Western market, dropping the content types that are less appealing or offensive in Western culture: ero, especially ero involving lolis. I like VNs because of their unique Japanese traits, so if these traits get lost in translation then it hardly matters to me if the market flourishes. The market I cared about will have dried up. It was an example sanahtlig, not a full representation of the market. There is a reason I said that the word "good" is an arbitrary term. What you think is a good game is not necessarily what I or others may enjoy, making the JAST comment moot (i.e. = I hate School Days). As for lack of developer interest, someone else was arguing that point, so I can't really say much about that. Cerulean is right in saying that learning the language is a much better option, but a lot of fans feel entitled in the west and that seems to be a major issue when it comes to anything on the internet.

Again, it's not the fear of running out of content to localize, rather it's the fear of being able to localize games in the distant future. Again, most recent translations that are actual games (excluding nukige) already have translations or a framework to work from (i.e. = Clannad). Sure, there are plenty of games out there, but until companies in Japan and the EOCS become more lenient, I feel things will eventually reach a peak.

Your last sentence is essentially my 4th point in a nutshell. See that's the problem though, fans of the west seem to be so selfish when it comes to certain novels being released. Again, it's the want versus expect argument. Majikoi is a great game fans say, so nothing will ever come close to beating it. In another example, the Grisaia trilogy is amazing to western fans, yet nobody batted an eyelid on the new game coming out by Frontwing with lots of awesome potential. People play a good game and refuse to believe other games can beat it; they judge all novels around their favorites.

In your point you mention how something doesn't need to be absolutely amazing to sell well. I guess another reason I bring up these points is that it seems to me that most English readers only want specific genres localized. Take for example the failed otome Kickstarter that Sekai Project didn't fund. While otome games aren't necessarily popular in Japan, the doujin market is, hence why more females attend Comiket each year. My point is, that otome game wasn't a very "amazing" game, yet it didn't get funded.

I like the point you bring up about cultural gaps. A lot of people assume Japan is extremely xenophobic when it comes to releasing things, but as I stated in a previous thread, that isn't what I believe to be the major issue here. I strongly believe Japan wants to localize their games and get more fans, but it's the fear of losing their license to sell in their own country that makes them worried about opening up, especially moege companies that already make games every year. When it's a question of selling in a country you know how to appeal to versus losing that right and selling to fans you aren't sure of, of course you'd stick with the safe latter.

All right Fuwanovel, the holiday season is fast approaching and I just thought of an awesome idea for all of the members that frequent the confession's thread on a regular basis. For the past year or so, members in this thread have opened up to one another in a lot of different ways. While it may not feel like this to some of you, I definitely think this thread has become a safe haven for those who experience problems in your life or just feel like getting something off your chest. It warms my heart to see so many people be accepting of each other, and while there have been moments where joking is a must, for the most part I can tell that everyone genuinely cares about the people who come here. As such, I wanted to do something special for all of you. I think we should host an exchange of words in the form of a secret Santa activity. Essentially speaking, everyone who wants to participate would be allowed to write some heartfelt messages to one another in secret and send them to me via PM/email/Skype before a certain deadline. I would then take your secret message or messages (you can totally write as many as you'd like) and read them to everyone during a live Christmas stream (where yes, I would dress up like Santa Claus). I of course would keep names anonymous, and everyone could enjoy a little holiday spirit and confidence boost. The reason I want to do this is because I feel it's a good way to thank everyone for all of the amazing respect this thread has created. Opening up to people (even if it is the internet) is tough, and I think this a great way to have a little fun while doing it.

I wanted to make this thread to discuss some negatives and positives about the visual novel market around the world. While my post only focuses on the negatives, I encourage positive discussion as well. I have listed some major points below addressing what I believe are problems in the western market for PC games and what this means in the possible future. 1. Lack of Moege Localization - I don't think it's a huge surprise to a lot of people that fans tend to enjoy cute slice-of-life romance novels with some comedy thrown into the mix. While this isn't true for every fan, I would say that at least 50% of visual novel players in the west and currently in Japan (as shown by Getchu's sale numbers each month) enjoy moege. The problem here is that western developers are not translating these novels due to a lack of getting licensing rights. I believe there are a lot of reasons for this (one of those reasons being stated in a thread located here), and because of this I think there will be a point in the distant future when visual novels reach a peak and companies in the west run out of material to work with. 2. Running Out of "Good" Games - This point is a little bit arbitrary because I can't really define what a "good" visual novel is, however I can safely say that there are certain games which the community feels are excellent reads. To give you an example, ask any English reader of visual novels what games they have played and which ones they enjoyed the most. Chances are they will all have very similar answers. While there is nothing necessarily wrong in enjoying games everyone else agrees is good, there is a problem for localization companies that comes from this idea. Let me provide you with an example of how good games will eventually reach a peak and how I believe this will affect the market in the west as a whole. Let's use the well known company Key. Most visual novel fans strongly agree that they make great games as shown by their ratings and popularity outside of the VN market. Now imagine this: what happens when and if all of the Key games become localized? Companies will no longer have games to translate from them, and as such, there won't be any more Key games in the future. In other words, there will come a time when "good" games have all been translated and localized, and when that point comes in the distant future, what do companies do then? This idea brings me to my next point. 3. Company Release Dates - Companies like Key cannot afford to release a game every year like most visual novel groups that produce moege can (i.e. = Lump of Sugar or Pulltop). While I can't specifically say what the major reason behind all of this is, there are some reasons I am sure you as a reader can deduce. 4. Japanese Priorities Set Visual Novel Localization - The Japanese PC game market is highly dominated by moege romance novels and nukige. This can be shown through Getchu's top sale numbers for visual novels each month (i.e. = Clover Day's additional h-scenes a year ago), as well as the extensive amount of advertising that is plastered in Akihabara for these types of games. The last Friday of the month is known as "release day" in Japan, where most of the big companies sell their games. Because Japan itself is the country all of these visual novels are being made in, translators (whether professional or not) are stuck with the content the country provides. If you are a professional translator, this poses a challenge (see point #1 above), and if you are a fan translator, you might be stuck doing a project for a type of game you aren't interested in yourself. In the end, I worry for the market simply due to the fact that Japan is and currently has been dominated by moege and nukige. While I enjoy the former style of games, not everyone likes them. I feel our viewpoints of what we want to have and what we expect to have as fans coordinate too well, and as such this causes an issue. We want good visual novels to be translated, and therefore we expect it to happen, ignoring all of the factors that may prevent this. Japan itself controls the visual novel market, and so long as we continue enjoying the genre, we are subject to enjoy what they continue to produce. What are your thoughts on the matter? I look forward to reading your responses!

It makes perfect sense, Nukige are noting more then porn, I find it more strange that people would actually count nukige and hentai when talking about anime and VNs. I guess that only goes to say in what terrible state VN and Anime fab base are. All right, you're the real Okami. Welcome back.

There is no possible way you are the real Okami. Am I the only person who believes that?

This site used to combine posts if they were posted within 5 minutes of each other.

Is this a request I here? Did somebody say original?

We don't speak of this event anymore. The reason OriginalRun needs to abandon the site on occasion isn't due to issues in his personal life or around the site, but rather the constant need to stay hidden. Do you honestly believe there was any reason for him to return home to the US so soon? On a side note, I notice that the capitalization of the word "Fate" was intentional.

I've done this 3 times before, and I could possibly do it, but I wouldn't be able to do anything until the weekend. R-Really?! Would you?! I would be so grateful to you if you can! I swear I'm desperate for it... I can wait! Just send me a PM when you are available to do it! Thank you so so much... Hey no big deal, though it's been awhile since I've registered a code so I would need information on how to do it again. Of course! As far as I know I need to input the phone number and I think they will send you a message with a confirmation code? I never did it but I suppose that this is the way that Mobage uses to verify accounts. I know that, but I also know I need to go to the site itself and put in your login information so it knows an account exists.

I've done this 3 times before, and I could possibly do it, but I wouldn't be able to do anything until the weekend. R-Really?! Would you?! I would be so grateful to you if you can! I swear I'm desperate for it... I can wait! Just send me a PM when you are available to do it! Thank you so so much... Hey no big deal, though it's been awhile since I've registered a code so I would need information on how to do it again.

I've helped 3 other people out with this before, but I wouldn't be able to do anything for you until the weekend, if not next week.

Confession: I finally asked for and exchanged phone numbers with a certain female someone who used to frequent Fuwanovel.

Pretty sure he was responding to Abyssal's post about lacking discipline and saving himself until he's 30. And being envious of a relationship implies they have someone you don't, for example a relationship. You really need to work on your reading comprehension Suit yourself.

Hidden Content Hidden Content Confession: I have never been as envious of anyone in my entire life as I am right now Clearly you lack discipline. You need to protect yourself to the age of 30. For teh magikz! Do not be swayed by greener pastures, for with time, even they sink to ruin. The only thing that will never fail you is yourself and your powers. Nothing you say is gonna make me feel better about still being a virgin at 24 bro. It's shameful. Call me crazy, but talking about your virginity and being envious of a relationship usually implies you assume the couple has had sex and are upset you haven't.

Mfw all of you just assume Cyrille's relationship involves sex without asking her.