What makes Grisaia no Kajitsu so great?

[The Striker]

I think:

 

good caracters

good development
good action scenes

good H-Cenes

well this is my opinion .

[VirginSmasher]

Maybe this isn´t the right place to say this but i´m new at this so i hope you´ll forgive me. 

The truth is I´m a great fan of this series both anime and visual novel but so far i just managed to play the first one.

Just wanted to know if Grisaia no Meikyuu Visual novel is out so far and if not when it will be.

Thank you for your help

Meiykuu is currently being translated by Sekai Project, like VirginSmasher said. Here is the most recent update they have made on ther progress:

 

"Same as last month, there's been some schedule slips but we're still on track, once it's closer to being done we'll let you know. There's still technical/editing/qa work required after that so we do not have a firm release date just yet."

 

Now the game is significantly shorter than Kajitsu, so it probably wont be as long to translate, not to mention that a good portion of the extra content in meiykuu is H-Scenes, that SP probably wont release, so thats less translating for them. (I believe that Kajitsu took about 2 years.) But we wont know anything for sure until they come with a more firm statement about its progress.

I really hope they release the uncensored version anyways. I don't want to have to look at CGs just to see them. Even if they'll probably bog down the story for me, I've heard the major route in there is pretty good. I hope it doesn't turn out like how Majikoi S did for me.

[Dergonu]

Maybe this isn´t the right place to say this but i´m new at this so i hope you´ll forgive me. 

The truth is I´m a great fan of this series both anime and visual novel but so far i just managed to play the first one.

Just wanted to know if Grisaia no Meikyuu Visual novel is out so far and if not when it will be.

Thank you for your help

Meiykuu is currently being translated by Sekai Project, like VirginSmasher said. Here is the most recent update they have made on ther progress:

 

"Same as last month, there's been some schedule slips but we're still on track, once it's closer to being done we'll let you know. There's still technical/editing/qa work required after that so we do not have a firm release date just yet."

 

Now the game is significantly shorter than Kajitsu, so it probably wont be as long to translate, not to mention that a good portion of the extra content in meiykuu is H-Scenes, that SP probably wont release, so thats less translating for them. (I believe that Kajitsu took about 2 years.) But we wont know anything for sure until they come with a more firm statement about its progress.

I really hope they release the uncensored version anyways. I don't want to have to look at CGs just to see them. Even if they'll probably bog down the story for me, I've heard the major route in there is pretty good. I hope it doesn't turn out like how Majikoi S did for me.

Yeah it is likely that they will release the uncensored version through denpasoft like they did with Kajitsu a little after the main game's release. (I personally hope so too, as the H-Scenes are quite enjoyable in Meiykuu )

As for the story, the main route is really good, yes. Also, the H-scenes have very little to do with the plot so its essentially uncut when it comes to story. Most of the H-Scenes are in either the heroines after routes or in non cannon H-scenes added as a bonus in the game. One thing that is slightly annoying with Meiykuu is that the ending is a cliffhanger, and that cliffhanger will be resolved in Rakuen, so when the game comes out, it becomes a patience test to wait for Rakuen.

Overall I think fans of the first game will be very happy with Meiykuu though, even if the H-Scenes are cut.

 

[VirginSmasher]

Maybe this isn´t the right place to say this but i´m new at this so i hope you´ll forgive me. 

The truth is I´m a great fan of this series both anime and visual novel but so far i just managed to play the first one.

Just wanted to know if Grisaia no Meikyuu Visual novel is out so far and if not when it will be.

Thank you for your help

Meiykuu is currently being translated by Sekai Project, like VirginSmasher said. Here is the most recent update they have made on ther progress:

 

"Same as last month, there's been some schedule slips but we're still on track, once it's closer to being done we'll let you know. There's still technical/editing/qa work required after that so we do not have a firm release date just yet."

 

Now the game is significantly shorter than Kajitsu, so it probably wont be as long to translate, not to mention that a good portion of the extra content in meiykuu is H-Scenes, that SP probably wont release, so thats less translating for them. (I believe that Kajitsu took about 2 years.) But we wont know anything for sure until they come with a more firm statement about its progress.

I really hope they release the uncensored version anyways. I don't want to have to look at CGs just to see them. Even if they'll probably bog down the story for me, I've heard the major route in there is pretty good. I hope it doesn't turn out like how Majikoi S did for me.

Yeah it is likely that they will release the uncensored version through denpasoft like they did with Kajitsu a little after the main game's release. (I personally hope so too, as the H-Scenes are quite enjoyable in Meiykuu )

As for the story, the main route is really good, yes. Also, the H-scenes have very little to do with the plot so its essentially uncut when it comes to story. Most of the H-Scenes are in either the heroines after routes or in non cannon H-scenes added as a bonus in the game. One thing that is slightly annoying with Meiykuu is that the ending is a cliffhanger, and that cliffhanger will be resolved in Rakuen, so when the game comes out, it becomes a patience test to wait for Rakuen.

Overall I think fans of the first game will be very happy with Meiykuu though, even if the H-Scenes are cut.

 

So the after story routes as only there for h scenes from what I can tell? I'm having some bad Majikoi S flashbacks 

[Dergonu]

So the after story routes as only there for h scenes from what I can tell? I'm having some bad Majikoi S flashbacks 

Hmm, well I wouldn't say that. Yes, they are kind of short and the H-Scenes are quite nice but the after routes do give some nice, heartwarming story as well. I personally very much enjoyed the Sachi and Makina ones. So its not a complete waste even if the H-Scenes are not in the first games' english release.

[VirginSmasher]

So the after story routes as only there for h scenes from what I can tell? I'm having some bad Majikoi S flashbacks 

Hmm, well I wouldn't say that. Yes, they are kind of short and the H-Scenes are quite nice but the after routes do give some nice, heartwarming story as well. I personally very much enjoyed the Sachi and Makina ones. So its not a complete waste even if the H-Scenes are not in the first games' english release.

OK. I'm still looking forward to it, but after the disappointment that was Majikoi S, I'm very cautious this time around.

[Bastian77]

In Meikyuu, Professor Dave actually introduces more H-scenes in case you didn't have enough.

I never did go through them though.

Edited December 15, 2015 by Bastian77

[Decay]

I've been rereading this over the last month or so, with some other VNs mixed in as well. I still like it as much as I used to, but there's something bothering me about it. The idea that people are predictable and formulaic by nature runs through the entire work as an undercurrent. When you read between the lines, it's suggested that all humans lives are simple puzzles with a predetermined set of rules and anyone with sufficient knowledge and experience have the key to solving these puzzles. You see it in great detail in Angelic Howl, and to a lesser extent in Yuuji's narration. All people fit within certain molds that dictate all of their actions and reactions. The message they try to tell isn't to break out of these molds and to lead a life of free will, but to accept that we have no individuality and instead exploit the formulas that make up these molds to find the solutions for our problems.

Even if this is true in part, I still don't like being told this, lol. And I will never accept that this is the full truth.

I also wonder if this is something other people got out of it or if I'm off my rocker here.

[Bastian77]

I've been rereading this over the last month or so, with some other VNs mixed in as well. I still like it as much as I used to, but there's something bothering me about it. The idea that people are predictable and formulaic by nature runs through the entire work as an undercurrent. When you read between the lines, it's suggested that all humans lives are simple puzzles with a predetermined set of rules and anyone with sufficient knowledge and experience have the key to solving these puzzles. You see it in great detail in Angelic Howl, and to a lesser extent in Yuuji's narration. All people fit within certain molds that dictate all of their actions and reactions. The message they try to tell isn't to break out of these molds and to lead a life of free will, but to accept that we have no individuality and instead exploit the formulas that make up these molds to find the solutions for our problems.

Even if this is true in part, I still don't like being told this, lol. And I will never accept that this is the full truth.

I also wonder if this is something other people got out of it or if I'm off my rocker here.

It might just be the fact that you are rereading it and have time to pay attention to more of the details. 

I didn't feel the same way as you when I read this visual novel and I felt that the characters did break out of their molds in parts of the story.

Like Yuuji in Makina's route where he pushes himself past his limits after he gets gravely injured and still keeps his promise.

Characters in Angelic Howl had their molds broken down by starvation and sickness. They basically reverted back to being animals because they could not keep their sanity.

And even though people are predictable and formulaic by nature, we are still able to show moments spontaneity that exceed these expectations. 

[Decay]

I've been rereading this over the last month or so, with some other VNs mixed in as well. I still like it as much as I used to, but there's something bothering me about it. The idea that people are predictable and formulaic by nature runs through the entire work as an undercurrent. When you read between the lines, it's suggested that all humans lives are simple puzzles with a predetermined set of rules and anyone with sufficient knowledge and experience have the key to solving these puzzles. You see it in great detail in Angelic Howl, and to a lesser extent in Yuuji's narration. All people fit within certain molds that dictate all of their actions and reactions. The message they try to tell isn't to break out of these molds and to lead a life of free will, but to accept that we have no individuality and instead exploit the formulas that make up these molds to find the solutions for our problems.

Even if this is true in part, I still don't like being told this, lol. And I will never accept that this is the full truth.

I also wonder if this is something other people got out of it or if I'm off my rocker here.

It might just be the fact that you are rereading it and have time to pay attention to more of the details. 

I didn't feel the same way as you when I read this visual novel and I felt that the characters did break out of their molds in parts of the story.

Hidden Content

And even though people are predictable and formulaic by nature, we are still able to show moments spontaneity that exceed these expectations. 

Angelic Howl (Amane route) spoilers

Kazuki spent the whole time analyzing the other students and essentially predicting the future down to every last detail weeks in advance based on the character profiles she established for them. Even the cannibalism was predicted by the end of the first day. What you claim is the dissolution of their characters, the part where they were at their most unpredictable, was something the game was saying was all part of their predetermined fate as foreseen and possibly engineered by Kazuki. Every action they can possibly take, even their most extreme ones, can be predicted and exploited. That was the lesson of Angelic Howl.

This is reinforced casually throughout most of the game by Yuuji's narration. He routinely classifies every character as a specific type and uses this to explain and predict their actions, and sometimes manipulate them. Failure to do so is chalked up to his lack of experience, and not the chaotic nature of humanity.

I'm mostly just bothered because the message is "accept the role laid out for you, don't try to fight it." That the nail that sticks out gets hammered down. The heroine routes can be seen as Yuuji bringing the heroines back in line, reigning in their eccentric behavior and making them fit into their roles in society instead of allowing them to be unique. Makina could have remained as she was and supported herself through the sale of her sculptures, which she occasionally earned good money from, even as a total amatuer. But instead she was encouraged to speak and behave more "normally" and get a normal job. And this is a good thing, according to the game. While I think it's a pretty fucking shit philosophy, lol.

These thoughts just suddenly hit me tonight as I was going through Angelic Howl during my reread, and I couldn't stop getting bothered by it. I thought maybe I could just get it off my chest and forget about it but now I'm just even more bothered by it and have started unprovoked ranting. Great job, me!

[Dergonu]

I've been rereading this over the last month or so, with some other VNs mixed in as well. I still like it as much as I used to, but there's something bothering me about it. The idea that people are predictable and formulaic by nature runs through the entire work as an undercurrent. When you read between the lines, it's suggested that all humans lives are simple puzzles with a predetermined set of rules and anyone with sufficient knowledge and experience have the key to solving these puzzles. You see it in great detail in Angelic Howl, and to a lesser extent in Yuuji's narration. All people fit within certain molds that dictate all of their actions and reactions. The message they try to tell isn't to break out of these molds and to lead a life of free will, but to accept that we have no individuality and instead exploit the formulas that make up these molds to find the solutions for our problems.

Even if this is true in part, I still don't like being told this, lol. And I will never accept that this is the full truth.

I also wonder if this is something other people got out of it or if I'm off my rocker here.

It might just be the fact that you are rereading it and have time to pay attention to more of the details. 

I didn't feel the same way as you when I read this visual novel and I felt that the characters did break out of their molds in parts of the story.

Hidden Content

And even though people are predictable and formulaic by nature, we are still able to show moments spontaneity that exceed these expectations. 

Angelic Howl (Amane route) spoilers

Hidden Content

This is reinforced casually throughout most of the game by Yuuji's narration. He routinely classifies every character as a specific type and uses this to explain and predict their actions, and sometimes manipulate them. Failure to do so is chalked up to his lack of experience, and not the chaotic nature of humanity.

I'm mostly just bothered because the message is "accept the role laid out for you, don't try to fight it." That the nail that sticks out gets hammered down. The heroine routes can be seen as Yuuji bringing the heroines back in line, reigning in their eccentric behavior and making them fit into their roles in society instead of allowing them to be unique. Makina could have remained as she was and supported herself through the sale of her sculptures, which she occasionally earned good money from, even as a total amatuer. But instead she was encouraged to speak and behave more "normally" and get a normal job. And this is a good thing, according to the game. While I think it's a pretty fucking shit philosophy, lol.

These thoughts just suddenly hit me tonight as I was going through Angelic Howl during my reread, and I couldn't stop getting bothered by it. I thought maybe I could just get it off my chest and forget about it but now I'm just even more bothered by it and have started unprovoked ranting. Great job, me!

Damn, I never thought of that before.

Although, the way I see it its just Kazuki being so extremly smart to the point where she doesn't neccesarily predict everyones future directly, but instead consideres every option based on what she knows of the individuals, and concludes that it is likely they will act like that. Pretty standard psychology. She says it clearly, "it might not go down like that". Its just her prediction based of human nature in extreme situations, and what she knows of the people involved. That is also the reason why she concludes that Amane most likely wont do the same, but she still isn't sure. This is probably why she gives it a lot of time before truly concluding it will truly end like that.

The part about Yuuji, is it really that strange that he wants to help chracters get back into whats considered "normality"? The girls are in a very fragile state, mentaly, not to mention that they are essentially blocked off from the "normal" outside world. Helping them back into that normality is a good thing, because the way things were going, they would not be very well off on their own when the graduate. This does not mean that its wrong to be different, but it mearly states that helping them get more into "normal" lives will make it easier for them to choose their own future when they get to that point.

You have a good point, I never even thought of this before, but I personally don't think its that much of a problem. It's primarily just Kazuki analyzing people, and Yuuji attempting to mimick the same behavoir that he clearly learned from his sister. The blunt thruth of it is: humans are extremly easy to predict, especially if you have prior knowlegde about said person.

[Bastian77]

I think this picture basically summarizes my thoughts.

People have different views on different ideas.

[CeruleanGamer]

Maybe this isn´t the right place to say this but i´m new at this so i hope you´ll forgive me. 

The truth is I´m a great fan of this series both anime and visual novel but so far i just managed to play the first one.

Just wanted to know if Grisaia no Meikyuu Visual novel is out so far and if not when it will be.

Thank you for your help

Meiykuu is currently being translated by Sekai Project, like VirginSmasher said. Here is the most recent update they have made on ther progress:

 

"Same as last month, there's been some schedule slips but we're still on track, once it's closer to being done we'll let you know. There's still technical/editing/qa work required after that so we do not have a firm release date just yet."

 

Now the game is significantly shorter than Kajitsu, so it probably wont be as long to translate, not to mention that a good portion of the extra content in meiykuu is H-Scenes, that SP probably wont release, so thats less translating for them. (I believe that Kajitsu took about 2 years.) But we wont know anything for sure until they come with a more firm statement about its progress.

I really hope they release the uncensored version anyways. I don't want to have to look at CGs just to see them. Even if they'll probably bog down the story for me, I've heard the major route in there is pretty good. I hope it doesn't turn out like how Majikoi S did for me.

Yeah it is likely that they will release the uncensored version through denpasoft like they did with Kajitsu a little after the main game's release. (I personally hope so too, as the H-Scenes are quite enjoyable in Meiykuu )

As for the story, the main route is really good, yes. Also, the H-scenes have very little to do with the plot so its essentially uncut when it comes to story. Most of the H-Scenes are in either the heroines after routes or in non cannon H-scenes added as a bonus in the game. One thing that is slightly annoying with Meiykuu is that the ending is a cliffhanger, and that cliffhanger will be resolved in Rakuen, so when the game comes out, it becomes a patience test to wait for Rakuen.

Overall I think fans of the first game will be very happy with Meiykuu though, even if the H-Scenes are cut.

 

Mmmmm I love Amane in all that leather. The S&M scenes were hot.

Also Makina's mom gets some rough sex action and that bitch deserves it.

[Dergonu]

 

Mmmmm I love Amane in all that leather. The S&M scenes were hot.

 

Hidden Content

Dont forget Yumiko´s bunny costume. Yum

Haha, yeah that last one surprised me. 

(Didn't hate it though )

[VirginSmasher]

 

Mmmmm I love Amane in all that leather. The S&M scenes were hot.

 

Hidden Content

Dont forget Yumiko´s bunny costume. Yum

Haha, yeah that last one surprised me. 

(Didn't hate it though )

 Yumiko in a bunny costume? Now I know I'm getting the uncensored version for sure.

[Valmore]

So I've finished the VN. Great art. Excellent dialogue. The protagonist is pretty decent, for the most part. Stories tend to start off well, but they mostly peter out by the endings. Most of the endings disappointed me. The exceptions being Sachi's good ending, and, for some reason, Makina's.

7/10 overall. Solid effort.

[DarkZedge]

My thoughts:

• It doesn't focus on panty shots, sexual jokes, and embarrassing sex scenes
• Yuuji acts like a tough guy who doesn't care about the harem situation he is thrust into. He makes witty sexual jokes (with the principal) and treats the girls like they are morons (but in a good way)
• The girls have a lot of interesting scenes and occasionally act human. The scene where they talk about their sexual desires for Yuuji is such a scene. I felt like a female writer made this scene happen, which is such a rarity in a male focused genre
• The VN deals with darker themes that always attract readers if done correctly

 

Just my thoughts.

I agree, personally i really like Grisaia and am looking forward to Mekyuu and Rakuen which sekai project is working on : D

[Decay]

Damn, I never thought of that before.

Although, the way I see it its just Kazuki being so extremly smart to the point where she doesn't neccesarily predict everyones future directly, but instead consideres every option based on what she knows of the individuals, and concludes that it is likely they will act like that. Pretty standard psychology. She says it clearly, "it might not go down like that". Its just her prediction based of human nature in extreme situations, and what she knows of the people involved. That is also the reason why she concludes that Amane most likely wont do the same, but she still isn't sure. This is probably why she gives it a lot of time before truly concluding it will truly end like that.

The part about Yuuji, is it really that strange that he wants to help chracters get back into whats considered "normality"? The girls are in a very fragile state, mentaly, not to mention that they are essentially blocked off from the "normal" outside world. Helping them back into that normality is a good thing, because the way things were going, they would not be very well off on their own when the graduate. This does not mean that its wrong to be different, but it mearly states that helping them get more into "normal" lives will make it easier for them to choose their own future when they get to that point.

You have a good point, I never even thought of this before, but I personally don't think its that much of a problem. It's primarily just Kazuki analyzing people, and Yuuji attempting to mimick the same behavoir that he clearly learned from his sister. The blunt thruth of it is: humans are extremly easy to predict, especially if you have prior knowlegde about said person.

None of this really conflicts with my observations on the game, it's just down to a matter of whether or not you think there's subtext. 

Like, the fact that Kazuki is so extremely smart that she can figure out the actions people will take weeks in advance, almost like she's clairvoyant, has deeper meaning than just her being smart. It means that people CAN be predicted to that extent by someone who is adequately smart. I don't really think this is true in reality, but it's taken to the extreme in the VN to illustrate a point. 

[Stormwolf]

Honestly, i think Kazuki became a crappy character as the story progressed. I didn't mind the photogenic memory and all that, but when she suddenly was revealed to be probably twice as smart as Einstein, renowned painter and as mentioned earlier seemingly a clairvoyant then this character just didn't work for me anymore. Same as the crappy protagonists in certain moeges that are 15-18 years old and have mastered martial arts, strength to lift a cow on each shoulder, is the smartest academically, vast knowledge about everything from life experience or some nonsense that doesn't fit the characters age.

It's quite simple, too much is too much. 

Edited December 16, 2015 by Stormwolf

[Chuee]

She was always like that. For example, in Angelic Howl there was something about her 'reading' books she'd memorized in her mind. Sorry, that's just not possible. I like her, but that's mostly just personality. As a character, she basically just screams out Mary Sue. 

[Stormwolf]

Well, i think what she has is a bit too far out there, and that they should have watered her down just a notch so that she could be a more believable character.

[CeruleanGamer]

Honestly, i think Kazuki became a crappy character as the story progressed. I didn't mind the photogenic memory and all that, but when she suddenly was revealed to be probably twice as smart as Einstein, renowned painter and as mentioned earlier seemingly a clairvoyant then this character just didn't work for me anymore. Same as the crappy protagonists in certain moeges that are 15-18 years old and have mastered martial arts, strength to lift a cow on each shoulder, is the smartest academically, vast knowledge about everything from life experience or some nonsense that doesn't fit the characters age.

It's quite simple, too much is too much. 

Yeah Im not a fan of omnipotent/godlike characters. I prefer someone with potential/character growth... 

Edited December 16, 2015 by CeruleanGamer

[Bastian77]

Well, i think what she has is a bit too far out there, and that they should have watered her down just a notch so that she could be a more believable character.

I think it was already discussed that this visual novel does not try to make everything believable. Also, in the case that her character was watered down, it would take away from her image of perfection. Kazuki is supposed to be an unbelievable, genius character that can consider all the possibilities of the future. 

But to be honest, in a situation like Angelic Howl, there are only 3 generalized outcomes. It does not take a genius to predict what will happen.

1. Rescue comes to save them.

2. They have a leader that can organize themselves and get them out of there.

3. They fall into despair and becomes like Lord of the Flies or even worse.

She just considered all the possibilites to a greater detail and prepared for them. That said, if she was an omnipotent character that could do anything, then the story would have just concluded with her saving everyone with her knowledge. The visual novel also shows that even though she is exceptionally smart, she is still human, in that she is plays favorites, does not have extensive real world experiences and also feels loneliness.

[Stormwolf]

Yeah, i see no reason why her character needs to be like that. It's just my opinion that she's a relatively bad character. 

[Bastian77]

Fair enough, all I wanted to do was point out that her character isn't as unbelievable as other stuff that happens in this game. 

For example: