What makes Grisaia no Kajitsu so great?

[Dergonu]

Fair enough, all I wanted to do was point out that her character isn't as unbelievable as other stuff that happens in this game. 

For example:

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Ahaha, I had completely forgotten that part. Oh dear. 

[VirginSmasher]

Honestly, i think Kazuki became a crappy character as the story progressed. I didn't mind the photogenic memory and all that, but when she suddenly was revealed to be probably twice as smart as Einstein, renowned painter and as mentioned earlier seemingly a clairvoyant then this character just didn't work for me anymore. Same as the crappy protagonists in certain moeges that are 15-18 years old and have mastered martial arts, strength to lift a cow on each shoulder, is the smartest academically, vast knowledge about everything from life experience or some nonsense that doesn't fit the characters age.

It's quite simple, too much is too much. 

I quite liked Kazuki as a character, but her "memory" tended to get pretty extreme at points, I have to admit. She's still one of my favorite characters and I can't wait to see her again in Meikyuu,

[wraithseeker]

I think she's fine as it is. Visual novels don't have to be realistic and I never wanted them to be and her character seems alright for me. 

[Stormwolf]

You can say it's relative realism. i'm sure you wouldn't be happy about pigs being able to fly in the vn. It's like that.

Edited December 16, 2015 by Stormwolf

[Dergonu]

Well just to poke a few sticks in the wheels here, I would just like to point out that the things that are seemingly "impossible" with Kazuki is actually not impsosible at all. I already talked about her "psychic" ability earlier. (Its basic psychology to predict a human beings' actions.) And for her memory, that as well is actually completely possible. In fact, I can personally do something quite similar myself. Its a mental exercise that just requires practice. Of course, memorizing entire books is not exactly easy, but if you have a photgraphic memory or simply "trained" your memory for a long time its not impossible.

Those factors taken into account mixed with the fact that we know she has an incredibly high IQ, (once again, not impossible), its not hard to believe that she would act like she did in the VN.

Not saying that I wouldn't have minded a little bit of a died down version of her myself, but for the people stating its not enjoyable because its simply not possible, thats not actually true.

(Also, everyone knows that turkey's make for great plane engine-stoppers!)

[VirginSmasher]

You can say it's relative realism. i'm sure you wouldn't be happy about pigs being able to fly in the vn. It's like that.

Pigs flying in VNs would be pretty awesome.

[Decay]

Well just to poke a few sticks in the wheels here, I would just like to point out that the things that are seemingly "impossible" with Kazuki is actually not impsosible at all. I already talked about her "psychic" ability earlier. (Its basic psychology to predict a human beings' actions.) And for her memory, that as well is actually completely possible. In fact, I can personally do something quite similar myself. Its a mental exercise that just requires practice. Of course, memorizing entire books is not exactly easy, but if you have a photgraphic memory or simply "trained" your memory for a long time its not impossible.

Those factors taken into account mixed with the fact that we know she has an incredibly high IQ, (once again, not impossible), its not hard to believe that she would act like she did in the VN.

Not saying that I wouldn't have minded a little bit of a died down version of her myself, but for the people stating its not enjoyable because its simply not possible, thats not actually true.

(Also, everyone knows that turkey's make for great plane engine-stoppers!)

I disagree. Kazuki's clairvoyance extends heavily into "impossible" territory.

She didn't just see how things would generally turn out, she predicted every last detail. My complaint wasn't one about realism, but the message it sends. If Kazuki was less perfect, or if she was able to save everyone, then the VN couldn't deliver its message on determinism.

[Dergonu]

Well just to poke a few sticks in the wheels here, I would just like to point out that the things that are seemingly "impossible" with Kazuki is actually not impsosible at all. I already talked about her "psychic" ability earlier. (Its basic psychology to predict a human beings' actions.) And for her memory, that as well is actually completely possible. In fact, I can personally do something quite similar myself. Its a mental exercise that just requires practice. Of course, memorizing entire books is not exactly easy, but if you have a photgraphic memory or simply "trained" your memory for a long time its not impossible.

Those factors taken into account mixed with the fact that we know she has an incredibly high IQ, (once again, not impossible), its not hard to believe that she would act like she did in the VN.

Not saying that I wouldn't have minded a little bit of a died down version of her myself, but for the people stating its not enjoyable because its simply not possible, thats not actually true.

(Also, everyone knows that turkey's make for great plane engine-stoppers!)

I disagree. Her clairvoyance extends heavily into "impossible" territory. She didn't just see how things would generally turn out, she predicted every last detail. My complaint wasn't one about realism, but the message it sends. If Kazuki was less perfect, then the VN couldn't deliver its message on determinism.

I merely wanted to state that everything she does can at least be explained as possible in the real world. It was not really intended directly against what you said earlier. I actually do agree to a lot of those points. But I felt that some people were trying to imply that the VN isn't as enjoyable because of the impossibility of her actions, which I feel isn't really justifiable. 

Like I said, I wouldn't have minded a less "extreme" version of Kazuki myself.

The VN is indeed built quite strongly around the acts that Kazuki makes during angelic howl and what Yuuji does regarding the girls in Mihama and the "requirement" to return to normality. These factors do send a little bit of an iffy message overall, though for me it doesn't lower the quality of the VN in any big way. Opinions will always differ after all. 

[douggle]

Imo the Grisaia series has a lot going for it, the writing was good, the art was top notch the OST is nice as well, While there are definitely series out there that are better, I seldom got bored reading Kajtisu and what I ve read of Meikyuu. These are my thoughts on the matter so take it with a grain of salt. 

[Valmore]

Kazuki does have her flaws - for instance she's not overly great in dealing with or expressing emotions, so sometimes she comes off as rather awkward when dealing with something like that. And her strict adherence to society's idea of hierarchy could potentially be argued as to why the tragedy ended as it did.

[BobJones2]

Yumiko's route is generally considered an average one, the most popular routes would be Amane and Makina's route. Most of the routes were written by different authors, only Amane and Makina's were written by the main writer. "Rewrite" is the same way, with only Kotori, Akane, and the Moon/Terra routes being written by the main writer. I'm sure its no coincidence that these routes tend to be better.

Anyways, as to what I like about this visual novel:

1) Amane's route, especially the last bits and the endings. Even Kazuki's Mary Stu-ness was tolerable if it weren't for how many fanboys she has due to it.

2) The Common route. This is the main charm of this vn for me. There's no stupid harem aspect where all the girls want a piece of him for no freaking reason, its just about the whacky personalities and interactions between the characters, of which I found amusing. The girls could had been all guys and it wouldn't really change much about how the route felt to me. This was also why I liked Majikoi, until it turned into a harem waifu fest (ESPECIALLY Majikoi S) which caused me to stay far far away from it.

[BobJones2]

Yumiko's route is generally considered an average one, the most popular routes would be Amane and Makina's route. Most of the routes were written by different authors, only Amane and Makina's were written by the main writer. "Rewrite" is the same way, with only Kotori, Akane, and the Moon/Terra routes being written by the main writer. I'm sure its no coincidence that these routes tend to be better.

Anyways, as to what I like about this visual novel:

1) Amane's route, especially the last bits and the endings.

2) The Common route. This is the main charm of this vn for me. There's no stupid harem aspect where all the girls want a piece of him for no freaking reason, its just about the whacky personalities and interactions between the characters, of which I found amusing. The girls could had been all guys and it wouldn't really change much about how the route felt to me. This was also why I liked Majikoi, until it turned into a harem waifu fest (ESPECIALLY Majikoi S) which caused me to stay far far away from it.

 

Edit: Oh right. While I do enjoy Grisaia, I do agree that its not a masterpiece or anything and there are certainly better visual novels out there. However, what makes this game popular is that it can be appealed as a one of the better-made "harem-waifu" series, much like Majikoi, which the current anime/manga male fans just absolutely love. No matter what their opinions on what makes a good story is, they are all united on the fact that they all love virtual waifus, and a "harem-waifu" series market female characters of all shades and stripes.

[onorub]

Having just read Yumiko's route, let me ask you guys: if Yumiko indeed became a puppet and followed her father's will, do you think she would've turned out anything like Makina's mother?

[Dergonu]

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Yumiko is a very proud person, so I don't think she would have ever followed her fathers' wishes like that.

That being said, if she did indeed do it, she most likely would have turned into a fairly similar character to Makina's mother, yeah.

Would have been cool to see a bad ending like that in the game. I personally like the fact that she has 2 "good" endings, though having a third bad end with such an outcome would be a little badass.

A grown up, ruthless Yumiko who owns one of the largest companies in Japan, ordering people around like puppets

Badass. Erhem, I mean ... sad. Sad ending.

[gijimu]

The OP protagonist, it is like a working adult re-enrolled into a high school again, making his classmates look dumb and influencing a loli and everyone's maid into perverts.

For me, the main route is somewhat boring, and I found Michiru a bit annoying (I did her route last), but the humor and unique school life story are quite good. It becomes more interesting after entering each heroines' routes, and the characters' development is the main charm of GnK. Amane and Sachi's route are gold. 

 

[VirginSmasher]

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She'd never do that. She's too stubborn and proud to do it.