VN Reading Club - December (Forest)

[Kosakyun]

P.S Nagatsuki best girl.

 

I'm glad we all agree.

[erogemaster]

So I finished the game (holy hell it's a miracle)...and I'm still left confused as hell. I don't really get the big picture of the story.

 

The end with the whole "completeness" thing was so confusing. So Akeru achieved this and caused a miracle? What meaning did the epilogue have?

 

This is the first Liar-Soft game I've played and I feel like I've taken an acid trip throughout the whole game. Took me a whole month to play it, but at least it's done. Welp.

 

P.S.

I HATE Amamori. That story with Torunga and Peccolia was the hardest parts to read through because it was so incredibly boring.

[Down]

So I finished the game (holy hell it's a miracle)...and I'm still left confused as hell. I don't really get the big picture of the story.

 

Hm...

Here's my own "big picture" of what happened.

/!\ Don't read this spoiler if you haven't read the whole VN

(and/or if you want to form your own theories before confronting them to others')

 

At the beginning, there was Takeru and Amenomori. They were lovers and at some point Amenomori got pregnant.

They are the "Originals", the ones telling the Story of the Beginning. I think there is a strong metaphor here between waving a story and giving birth to a child, who is his own story with an infinite potential. I'm not sure about how all the details of the Story of the Beginning fits in this, though.

 

However, Amenomori had a miscarriage and this child never saw the light of the birth. Her and Takeru then went separate ways, but what was left behind was the story they had created. This is how the Forest came to be, a product of the imagination in which the miscarried child exists. She is both Kako and Alice. 

 

The Forest, like most stories, was doomed to end up forgotten and thus wanted to join with reality. This is pretty much where the VN begins. The Forest superimposes itself with Shinjuku and pulls in some of its residents. Some of them appear as they are (Nagatsuki, etc) and some of them differently.

Indeed, The Forest is imaginary in nature, and thus the way we see things and people in it is through the prism of what nurtures our own imagination: stories. Most of the characters of fairy tales we see in the story are actually residents of Shinjuku (I think the most obvious examples of this are Winnie the Pooh and Reepicheep).

This is, in my opinion, one of the strong themes of the visual novel: the importance of fictions (and especially tales we are told during our childhood) in shaping our own vision of the world.

 

What happens next is simply what we see in the visual novel: the characters being trapped in the Forest that tries to join the real world. In the process, some of the residents of Shinjuku will see aspects of their personalities change. That's obvious for the main characters, as they change a lot between the beginning and the end of the story. Some of them will solve some of their struggles, some will get further lost, and there are tons of possibilities.

At the end, or at least in one of them, Takeru and Amenomori come to terms with what happened to them and things get back to normal. In some other endings, Amenomori end up killing herself, or the Forest becomes reality, etc...

 

This is about all I can say without re-reading the VN, which would really be necessary to understand if this really works, and to figure out how do the billion unanswered questions fit with this.

Who is Torunga and what does his story mean? What are the Skills or whatever they were called? Wtf happened during The Game? And tons and tons of details I forgot.

 

Kinda looking forward to see what you guys think happens in this game.

[cloudy12]

Chapter Seven ended up being my favourite chapter.

 

I don't remember anything in chapter two for some reason, 3-5 were interesting but not as good as 7 and six was just...frustrating without using a walkthrough. I got through the game up to chapter 6 without a walkthrough and gave in after getting that bad end over and over and over again...

 

The only question I have,

Was Kako a real person after all or was she just an imagination created by the Forest/Originals? I know she was suppose to be the child of Amamori and Akeru but I'm not sure if she really existed or not in the first place.

 

I always thought Torunga was Akeru and Peccolia (however you spelled her name) was Amamori and that the story was referencing the both of them, maybe I was wrong? =/ 

 

This has nothing to do with the story itself but I seem to be missing one sex scene and I don't know where it is....I'm ocd about completing the cg/h-scenes but I don't want to go through the entire game again to find it >__>

[erogemaster]

Hm...

Here's my own "big picture" of what happened.

/!\ Don't read this spoiler if you haven't read the whole VN

(and/or if you want to form your own theories before confronting them to others')

 

At the beginning, there was Takeru and Amenomori. They were lovers and at some point Amenomori got pregnant.

They are the "Originals", the ones telling the Story of the Beginning. I think there is a strong metaphor here between waving a story and giving birth to a child, who is his own story with an infinite potential. I'm not sure about how all the details of the Story of the Beginning fits in this, though.

 

However, Amenomori had a miscarriage and this child never saw the light of the birth. Her and Takeru then went separate ways, but what was left behind was the story they had created. This is how the Forest came to be, a product of the imagination in which the miscarried child exists. She is both Kako and Alice. 

 

The Forest, like most stories, was doomed to end up forgotten and thus wanted to join with reality. This is pretty much where the VN begins. The Forest superimposes itself with Shinjuku and pulls in some of its residents. Some of them appear as they are (Nagatsuki, etc) and some of them differently.

Indeed, The Forest is imaginary in nature, and thus the way we see things and people in it is through the prism of what nurtures our own imagination: stories. Most of the characters of fairy tales we see in the story are actually residents of Shinjuku (I think the most obvious examples of this are Winnie the Pooh and Reepicheep).

This is, in my opinion, one of the strong themes of the visual novel: the importance of fictions (and especially tales we are told during our childhood) in shaping our own vision of the world.

 

What happens next is simply what we see in the visual novel: the characters being trapped in the Forest that tries to join the real world. In the process, some of the residents of Shinjuku will see aspects of their personalities change. That's obvious for the main characters, as they change a lot between the beginning and the end of the story. Some of them will solve some of their struggles, some will get further lost, and there are tons of possibilities.

At the end, or at least in one of them, Takeru and Amenomori come to terms with what happened to them and things get back to normal. In some other endings, Amenomori end up killing herself, or the Forest becomes reality, etc...

 

This is about all I can say without re-reading the VN, which would really be necessary to understand if this really works, and to figure out how do the billion unanswered questions fit with this.

[kyrt]

I'm hearing the music track for this game in everything now regardless of whether it actually is in any of these things or not.

[Kosakyun]

I'm hearing the music track for this game in everything now regardless of whether it actually is in any of these things or not.

 

Alice is playing with you.

[Shimakaze]

Couldn't join for this month, will still try to read it and join next month's VN.

[kyrt]

So month is basically over I take it we will be voting on a new visual novel soon? I wanna throw in YU-NO for one of the suggestions because of the remake announcement and all unless we get to pick from a particular theme or something. I don't really care I do wanna get the voting down with this weekend though if possible so we can start reading it sooner rather than later. I didn't mind this visual novel at all. The story and art style reminded me more of sound novels than visual novels however. I quite enjoyed the music but like I said earlier I'm hearing it everywhere. Quite a few youtube personalities I've followed have had it as their background music.

[Kosakyun]

Kaguya will PM us.

I think a topic will be created soon.

With that being said, I haven't finished reading Forest.

The holidays take their toll.

[kyrt]

I believe Kaguya left for the holidays if anyone is wondering why a new vn or poll hasn't been sent out. 

 

So what was everyone's favorite piece of the ost/bgm? I would probably consider Garden and Bagpiper to be mine.