Root Double- Before Crime * After Days - Kickstarter launched!

[Deep Blue]

delayed.... yay, the translation was ready since the campaign was lunched... everything is ready, the campaign finished almost 2 months ago... why are they delaying it and why they are announcing it right now is beyond me...yay kudos for Sekai  

[Maxel]

34 minutes ago, Deep Blue said:

delayed.... yay, the translation was ready since the campaign was lunched... everything is ready, the campaign finished almost 2 months ago... why are they delaying it and why they are announcing it right now is beyond me...yay kudos for Sekai  

Root Double will have Steam Card support at launch.

Steam. 

[Deep Blue]

3 minutes ago, Maxel said:

Root Double will have Steam Card support at launch.

Steam. 

oh yeah I forgot about steam card....steam cards to shove them right up my...sleeve 

[Darklord Rooke]

1 hour ago, Zenophilious said:

JAST is infamous for delays, but at least they tend to give a reason, which makes the waiting process a bit more bearable. 

Oh? Let's talk Seinarukana then - is that why for years, Moogy and co. were going around saying 'the translation's been complete for ages, who know why the game hasn't been released or what they're doing'? It's only recently we found out they wanted a Steam release.

Then there was that game which was stuck at 99% progress, it's "being inserted" for about a year. Was it Yumina? I can't remember. And who knows what's going on with half their Nitro+ stuff, like Sumaga.

The delay for Root Double is less than a month, which is pretty small considering most delays in the game dev world, and miniscule compared with JAST. Communication could be better, but the wait is small enough that it should be bearable either way. If it gets pushed back to December, then again to next March then ...

[bigfatround0]

25 minutes ago, Rooke said:

Oh? Let's talk Seinarukana then - is that why for years, Moogy and co. were going around saying 'the translation's been complete for ages, who know why the game hasn't been released or what they're doing'? It's only recently we found out they wanted a Steam release.

Then there was that game which was stuck at 99% progress, it's "being inserted" for about a year. Was it Yumina? I can't remember. And who knows what's going on with half their Nitro+ stuff, like Sumaga.

The delay for Root Double is less than a month, which is pretty small considering most delays in the game dev world, and miniscule compared with JAST. Communication could be better, but the wait is small enough that it should be bearable either way. If it gets pushed back to December, then again to next March then ...

Big difference is that JAST doesn't take people's money beforehand. If they used KS then I'd agree with you but they self fund their localizations. 

[solidbatman]

3 minutes ago, bigfatround0 said:

Big difference is that JAST doesn't take people's money beforehand. If they used KS then I'd agree with you but they self fund their localizations. 

You dont have to pay via kickstarter to get the VN. I didnt and I still fully intend to purchase it when it comes out. Or did dovac come out of his little bedroom, put a gun to your head, and force you to help with the KS?

[bigfatround0]

1 minute ago, solidbatman said:

You dont have to pay via kickstarter to get the VN. I didnt and I still fully intend to purchase it when it comes out. Or did dovac come out of his little bedroom, put a gun to your head, and force you to help with the KS?

I just assumed the people that are pissed off are backers.

[Chuee]

Why are you talking about JAST? If someone honestly expects them to release a game reasonably-timed they only have themselves to blame. 

In the same respect I don't know why people are mad about this. The fact that the month went on without them announcing a set release date should've been a pretty big indicator that it wouldn't release on time. 

[Fred the Barber]

For those not getting or reading the updates, the reason for the delay is quite readily apparent. You can put that "the translation has been done for months" gun down, now, because it's pretty clear from past updates that the work for Steam integration was the last thing they were working on, and it's probably what took more time than they projected, leading to the delay. Regista probably significantly underestimated the amount of time needed for the various aspects of their Steam integration dev and testing, since they haven't done it before - this is an extremely common occurrence in any flavor of software engineering.

I do find it annoying that Sekai Project stated a March release and then didn't communicate a delay until the end of the month - maximum transparency in communication and somewhat-cushioned estimates are the best way to avoid getting into trouble with delays. Generally, people don't actually mind these kinds of small delays very much, as long as you give advance warning of the delay, can clearly explain why the project was delayed, and can give a confident projection for when it can be expected. I actually don't even mind the "lots of things happened" kind of explanation, since I can read between the lines of the other updates, but they should work on improving the other two aspects (because delays will continue to happen; that's just how software is).

Also, from the sounds of the Kickstarter update email, Regista went kind of dark on them for the last few weeks, but I think that's an unfair dodge on their part - I still hold SP responsible for not communicating better. As the publisher, they're responsible for polling status from Regista, minding the release timeline, and keeping people updated, and I do think they dropped the ball. But that said, it's far from a big deal, and like others have pointed out, they're still doing a vastly better job than a particular competitor of theirs (though, honestly, JAST USA is more of a joke than a competitor, at this point).

[Dark_blade64]

3 hours ago, Rooke said:

Oh? Let's talk Seinarukana then - is that why for years, Moogy and co. were going around saying 'the translation's been complete for ages, who know why the game hasn't been released or what they're doing'? It's only recently we found out they wanted a Steam release.

Then there was that game which was stuck at 99% progress, it's "being inserted" for about a year. Was it Yumina? I can't remember. And who knows what's going on with half their Nitro+ stuff, like Sumaga.

The delay for Root Double is less than a month, which is pretty small considering most delays in the game dev world, and miniscule compared with JAST. Communication could be better, but the wait is small enough that it should be bearable either way. If it gets pushed back to December, then again to next March then ...

Maybe they are focusing on releasing Sonicomi first before translating other Nitro+ titles?

[VirginSmasher]

It does suck that Root Double won't be coming out this month. I was looking forward to playing it. I blame Regista this time around because they went silent on them during the month it was supposedly being released in. It's still Sekai Project's duty to tell us about these sorts of things rather than telling us 2 days before April begins.

[Decay]

3 hours ago, bigfatround0 said:

Big difference is that JAST doesn't take people's money beforehand. If they used KS then I'd agree with you but they self fund their localizations. 

The only people who are "pissed off" are the people who disagree with everything SP does, and certainly didn't back it. The backers on kickstarter seem like a mix of slightly disappointed, unsurprised, and supporting.

[bigfatround0]

12 minutes ago, Decay said:

The only people who are "pissed off" are the people who disagree with everything SP does, and certainly didn't back it. The backers on kickstarter seem like a mix of slightly disappointed, unsurprised, and supporting.

 

It's not like SP does no wrong. Some of the backlash they receive is warranted.

[Decay]

Of course, I'm actually really annoyed that they pulled a Shiny Days on us and waited until the last possible minute to announce a delay. I can't fathom what set of circumstances would lead them to being unable to announce it earlier. 

I don't think anybody is actually pissed, though? At least not here, reddit, or kickstarter. They're probably really angry in 4chan, as is the usual when it comes to Sekai Project.

[Deep Blue]

1 hour ago, Decay said:

The only people who are "pissed off" are the people who disagree with everything SP does, and certainly didn't back it. The backers on kickstarter seem like a mix of slightly disappointed, unsurprised, and supporting.

I backed the project I just don't like to post on ks comment section, frankly it is pointless, I guess I dont fit in any of your categories then 

Spoiler

 

[DavidB]

Hey all,

I wish I had some additional news and information to share with you all, but right now we're working hard to see that the game is released just as soon as possible. I know we're all anticipating the release and maybe even a little excited to dive right into the game the second it drops, but please just hang in there with us a weeee bit longer.
Thanks for the patience and understanding, it really is appreciated.

[littleshogun]

Another bump here, and this time @DavidB tweet was kind of interest me. Here's the tweet, although I may post it late 4 days though.

Based on gamefaqs board reaction to the tweet, maybe release time of Root Double is almost coming judging from the tweet. Let's just hope it's the truth.

PS - May I ask what is review key by the way ?

[Darklord Rooke]

2 minutes ago, littleshogun said:

PS - May I ask what is review key by the way ?

Free Steam keys handed out to reviewers.

[Funyarinpa]

4 minutes ago, littleshogun said:

PS - May I ask what is review key by the way ?

Review keys are copies of games sent to reviewers for free by the developers for them to review the game.

[littleshogun]

To Rooke and Funyarinpa, thanks for the explanation. I see, so apparently they already got some of the reviewer candidate out there who will got the game early. Well, hopefully the release was indeed in near future or coming close (And definitely hopefully not soon tm). 

[littleshogun]

Another bump, and this time would be in regard of this post from Steam User that was take my interest here. Especially in regard that he already got the Steam Key for Root Double. Well, with this kind of PR that Sekai doing, even if the information was slightly untrustworthy it's still worth to post here, and even if it's only from Steam user. Oh, I interpret the Steam post as the release for Root Double was almost coming, hopefully in few days or at most will be on April 30th (Although if there's another delay to May I wouldn't be surprise here).

[Timeless Wizard]

I backed it but have not received my key yet. I hope that user was not lying and we'll get them soon, or at least Sekai will say something about the delay...

[Decay]

5 hours ago, littleshogun said:

Another bump, and this time would be in regard of this post from Steam User that was take my interest here. Especially in regard that he already got the Steam Key for Root Double. Well, with this kind of PR that Sekai doing, even if the information was slightly untrustworthy it's still worth to post here, and even if it's only from Steam user user. Oh, I interpret the Steam post as the release for Root Double was almost coming, hopefully in few days or at most will be on April 30th (Although if there's another delay to May I wouldn't be surprise here).

According to the Steam user in question:

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Oh whoops, that key was for something else... Just assumed it was for Root Double because I had been thinking about it at the time. Nevermind

So he just goofed up. No backers has received their keys yet. SP wouldn't just secretly launch the game like that. I suspect that we will indeed see an April release, although ultimately that is just a guess. I don't really see any reason why it has to be held back any further. Who knows, though, maybe there's some weird business related stuff with Regista/Yeti holding things back?

As I said in our latest VNTS update, the FuwaReviews team received a key, which ended up in my hands. We should be able to post a review on the day of release.

[littleshogun]

I see, so apparently the user there was too excited so much that he was mistake the key for Root Double. I'm sorry then if my previous post cause some misunderstanding, although I guess the post still not totally worthless then if I could got the confirmation that you already received the review key there, Decay. Guess I'll be waiting then, beside it's only 12 days left for April 2016 anyway, so it's not like long wait either. And once again looking forward to your review, Decay.

PS - By the way, once again I would not be so surprised if Regista once again managed to force Sekai to delay the release up to May, but I'm still hoping for April release, okay.

[Deep Blue]

So any news on this? maybe @DavidB knows something...

I mean, I know I'm not a reviewer or anything that important I only helped with the funding of the game...where is the game????

btw my apologies in advance if this is another of those things you can't talk about for reasons that cannot be said...