Root Double- Before Crime * After Days - Kickstarter launched!

[Dergonu]

7 minutes ago, Deep Blue said:

So any news on this? maybe @DavidB knows something...

I mean, I know I'm not a reviewer or anything that important I only helped with the funding of the game...where is the game????

btw my apologies in advance if this is another of those things you can't talk about for reasons that cannot be say...

 

^

Please  

Feel that its a little bit silly that there is a higher chance of getting a reply on this forum compared to the actual kickstarter page, (where people are complaining about this without any word back.) 

The fact that reviewers are being given higher priority than the actual backers is also a tad bit of a slap to the face. 

[Darklord Rooke]

4 minutes ago, Dergonu said:

The fact that reviewers are being given higher priority than the actual backers is also a tad bit of a slap to the face. 

Advanced Review Copies typically comes with bugs and/or typos. I know that ARCs of books can typically be different from the final, published version, something which typically makes them something of a collector's item.

[Decay]

There's a large variety of reasons why they may not be able to give copies to backers yet, both business and technical. SP has nothing to gain by delaying the release, and are probably losing money because of this. I'm sure they want this released more than anyone.

[Dergonu]

Just now, Rooke said:

Advanced Review Copies typically comes with bugs and/or typos. I know that ARCs of books can typically be different from the final, published version, something which typically makes them something of a collector's item.

Yes I get that, but the fact that the digital product is pretty much done, and is actually playable, yet we, the backers, get no word on when its coming out on how they are doing progress wise, yet people who simply want to review it, get the key for free. 

Also, there has been no direct reply from them on the kickstarter page since febuary 4th, yet people are asking questions left and right with concerns. But when someone asked on twitter for a FREE game key, they got a response instantly. 

 

The only thing we get is cryptic updates that everyone can access, with "we are working on it, will be released in april. Maybe."

The way they are handling this is a little bit off. Give the backers some form of update on how things are going. (What is happening with the physical editions for example?)

[Darklord Rooke]

1 minute ago, Dergonu said:

Yes I get that, but the fact that the digital product is pretty much done, and is actually playable, yet we, the backers, get no word on when its coming out on how they are doing progress wise, yet people who simply want to review it, get the key for free. 

That Sekai aren't good in the communication area is a valid point, and old news really  . That people are annoyed that reviewers get an advanced (and likely unfinished or unpolished version) for free is a tad confusing, because they're getting annoyed at a very basic and common business practice. It's not a slap in the face, and not something to get upset over, really.

But yes, Sekai need to communicate better with their customers and patrons.

[Deep Blue]

The lack of communication from sekai is just terrible and when they do say something is poor and vague at best, also you are assuming that the review copies given were unpolished or in some beta state (bugs, typos etc) there is no real proof of that or anything else for that matter, the only real proof we have is that reviewers got their game earlier than anybody else and that the game for the rest of us is delayed *insert spooky sound here* "due to various circumstances" 

[Darklord Rooke]

2 minutes ago, Deep Blue said:

also you are assuming that the review copies given were unpolished or in some beta state (bugs, typos etc) there is no real proof of that or anything else for that matter, the only real proof we have is that reviewers got their game earlier than anybody else and that the game for the rest of us is delayed *insert spooky sound here* "due to various circumstances" 

That is true, but you also can't assume the opposite (that reviewers got their game in a perfect condition.) All I'm doing is assuming general market norms apply.

If companies want to get word out to the public on how 'good the game is' as soon as the game is released, reviewers must have them in their hands prior to release. That's how you get all those pretty quotes about how stellar the book is on a first print novel. It has nothing to do with treating patrons as unimportant, but is rather about business realities. 

Delays in the gaming industry are very normal, and considering how short a turnaround it was between the Kickstarter to the release date, I can't begin to tell you how surprised and staggered I am that there has been a delay. Truly, my face is spasming due to the severe amount of shock I'm feeling. You don't want to see me right now, you will literally die of fright.

9 minutes ago, Deep Blue said:

The lack of communication from sekai is just terrible and when they do say something is poor and vague at best, 

They need to improve this. I assumed they hired a PR man ...

[Dergonu]

4 minutes ago, Rooke said:

If companies want to get word out to the public on how 'good the game is' as soon as the game is released, reviewers must have them in their hands prior to release. That's how you get all those pretty quotes about how stellar the book is on a first print novel. It has nothing to do with treating patrons as unimportant, but is rather about business realities. 

That might be so, but it's not about the fact that they got keys. That is fine. Like you said, it's normal. 

 

It's about the fact that we haven't heard anything from them at all since febuary 4th, yet when it came to the keys the reviewers are getting, they were hyping it up and replying instantly to people asking for keys. 

But, any question that is raised from the backers about what the hell is going on, gets ignored. 

The way they are clearly there, seeing our questions, but just choose to ignore them, THAT is the problem. It actually makes it feel like some good PR from a reviewer is more improtant than answering questions form the people who helped make the project a thing. (Without us, they would not have gotten funded...) 

That is what is making me kind of want to flip my desk and punch the wall. 

 

"Time to get hyped, other people will be playing the game you are waiting for, only they did not pay for it!"

Yes... The hype is real indeed... 

[grim_tales1]

I dont mind that reviewers got their copies early, what is annoying is little/no communication from SP and how a release of "March" has turned into "sometime in April" which will probably turn into "May"

[Deep Blue]

15 minutes ago, Rooke said:

That is true, but you also can't assume the opposite (that reviewers got their game in a perfect condition.) All I'm doing is assuming general market norms apply.

If companies want to get word out to the public on how 'good the game is' as soon as the game is released, reviewers must have them in their hands prior to release. That's how you get all those pretty quotes about how stellar the book is on a first print novel. It has nothing to do with treating patrons as unimportant, but is rather about business realities. 

Delays in the gaming industry are very normal, and considering how short a turnaround it was between the Kickstarter to the release date, I can't begin to tell you how surprised and staggered I am that there has been a delay. Truly, my face is spasming due to the severe amount of shock I'm feeling. You don't want to see me right now, you will literally die of fright.

They need to improve this. I assumed they hired a PR man ...

it's a business reality, yes, but that doesn't make it ok. specially with a KS campaign, I understand when namco bandai (to give a random example) does it with their games, dark souls 3 was released 1 month before to reviewers than on steam, but not with sekai project on this type of project. 
When they rely on kickstarter or any similar platform to fund a game you would assume that they will treat that specific public better than anyone else... that's the logical thing to do as a company... I mean without them many of their translation projects wouldn't have been possible which means less money...

DavidB is their PR man...

Edited April 25, 2016 by Deep Blue

[Darklord Rooke]

2 minutes ago, Deep Blue said:

it's a business reality, yes, but that doesn't make it ok. specially with a KS campaign, I understand when namco bandai (to give a random example) does it with their games, dark souls 3 was released 1 month before to reviewers than on steam, but not with sekai project on this type of project. 
When they relay on kickstarter or any similar platform to fund a game you would assume that they will treat that specific public better than anyone else... that's the logical thing to do as a company... I mean without them many of their translation projects wouldn't have been possible which means less money...

Releasing a (possibly) incomplete and unpolished translation into the hands of a rabid and largely unforgiving fanbase is not the best move. So I would contend that releasing an early version of a game to the VN public could do more harm than good.

Going by Dergonu and Grim Tales' replies, I assume if SP increase their communication to backers then the early review thing wouldn't be a cause for concern (to the majority of patrons) at all. 

[Deep Blue]

1 minute ago, Rooke said:

Releasing a (possibly) incomplete and unpolished translation into the hands of a rabid and largely unforgiving fanbase is not the best move. So I would contend that releasing an early version of a game to the VN public could do more harm than good.

Going by Dergonu and Grim Tales' replies, I assume if SP increase their communication to backers then the early review thing wouldn't be a cause for concern (to the majority of patrons) at all. 

Again you are assuming that that version was incomplete and unpolished, why?
With that logic I can assume that their communication to the public is good or after so much time and problems with that issue they managed to improve at least a little bit... but then again that's not the case in fact is quite the opposite, they are getting worse even after hiring a PR man, so let's stop assuming things even if those things are obvious in any other company.

[Silvz]

So can I just request a key on twitter and get it for free?

 

[Dergonu]

4 minutes ago, Silvz said:

So can I just request a key on twitter and get it for free?

 

Pretty much. 

[Darklord Rooke]

23 minutes ago, Deep Blue said:

Again you are assuming that that version was incomplete and unpolished, why?

Because it's to the benefit of developers to release a game sooner rather than later. The longer they hold onto the game typically the more they have to pay people, the more time wasted, less opportunity, time, and resources to spend on other games meaning less money overall. Therefore, any copies they typically release to reviewers before release day tend to be incomplete in some way or another. And this tends to be true for advanced copies across mediums. Game reviewers tend to assume certain bugs will be ironed out by release day, and book reviewers will often receive a slightly different text. 

23 minutes ago, Deep Blue said:

With that logic I can assume that their communication to the public is good or after so much time and problems with that issue they managed to improve at least a little bit... but then again that's not the case in fact is quite the opposite, they are getting worse even after hiring a PR man, so let's stop assuming things even if those things are obvious in any other company.

I dunno what you're trying to say here. I took Grim Tales' and Dergonu's statement, where they said they didn't mind the reviewers getting the game early only the abysmal communication, and extrapolated it and you want to compare it with ...?

6 minutes ago, Silvz said:

So can I just request a key on twitter and get it for free?

As long as you are a reviewer and can repay them with marketing and exposure, then I assume it's possible.

[Deep Blue]

10 minutes ago, Rooke said:

Because it's to the benefit of developers to release a game sooner rather than later. The longer they hold onto the game typically the more they have to pay people, the more time wasted, less opportunity, time, and resources to spend on other games meaning less money overall. Therefore, any copies they typically release to reviewers before release day tend to be incomplete in some way or another. And this tends to be true for advanced copies across mediums. Game reviewers tend to assume certain bugs will be ironed out by release day, and book reviewers will often receive a slightly different text. 

I dunno what you're trying to say here. I took Grim Tales' and Dergonu's statement, where they said they didn't mind the reviewers getting the game early only the abysmal communication, and extrapolated it and you want to compare it with ...?

 

Again, you keep assuming things that do apply in most companies but not with SP, having a good communication with their public is a given and it is for their benefit too, specially when they rely so much on crowdfunding platforms to release their translations yet they dont do anything to fix this well known problem they have since pretty much they started. 

[Fred the Barber]

An email just went out to Kickstarter backers that the game will be released on Steam in somewhere around 24 hours and that backer keys will be sent out "real soon". The short notice is kind of weird, but hey, it looks like they're going to make that revised target of April, if just barely, so I'm not complaining.

[Deep Blue]

Hello backers,

We're finally ready to announce a release date for Root Double -Before Crime * After Days- Xtend Edition it will be April 28th JST (So tomorrow evening for West Coasters in USA) on Steam!

We started to lockdown BackerKit as well and keys to backers will be going out real soon.

I was expecting a delay glad that's not the case.

[VirginSmasher]

So hyped to start playing this after I finish Noble Works. I'm glad they didn't have to delay this again and they got the issues figured out.

[littleshogun]

Finally, and hopefully anyone who play Root Double here will had same experience as GundamAce, although if not that's okay too. Anyway, I think that's all for my last post here and see you later in Root Double discussion thred (Created by me).

[Dergonu]

And they just now started locking down backerkit....

 

At least I can play a little of the digital edition while I wait for my physical stuff..

But one thing, how can they have a finished digital edition pretty much done, with backerkit just now closing. What about the "your name in the credits" thing? Will they have time for that in like, one day?

(If I don't find myself in there, I will riot   ) 

[Darklord Rooke]

4 hours ago, Fred the Barber said:

An email just went out to Kickstarter backers that the game will be released on Steam in somewhere around 24 hours and that backer keys will be sent out "real soon". The short notice is kind of weird, but hey, it looks like they're going to make that revised target of April, if just barely, so I'm not complaining.

Although, it should be noted it's better than JAST's zero notice, ahahaha ...

[Vorathiel]

Will a Fuwanovel review be ready by tomorrow? 

[WinterfuryZX]

Dammit... I'm reading S;G Phenogram on youtube.

[Dreamysyu]

Well... I guess I'll try reading two VNs at the same time. Pretty hyped for this one.