Chrono Clock Sudden Kickstarter Announced

[Nier]

54 minutes ago, sanahtlig said:

Also, this sounds like a deal negotiated specifically for this title

Yeah, like I said, pretty sure that releasing 18+ versions exclusive to Denpasoft store isn't working out too well for them (low sales), so they are trying something new this time around with Nutaku to have a bigger coverage on this title and try to see how it does from there in terms of Nutaku sales.

[Formlose Gestalt]

59 minutes ago, sanahtlig said:

Nutaku may have negotiated for exclusive distribution rights.

That much is obvious. The Kickstarter says "And friends, there will also be a Denpasoft version of the game distributed exclusively by Nutaku!". So obvious they must have negotiated something, because otherwise the VN would also be released on Denpasoft. And those kind of exclusive distribution rights normally cost money, because SP has no advantage in not putting the game also on Denpasoft. I can only guess but maybe Nutaku wants some exclusive titles to promote their envisioned Steam for adult games. I could see that happen again in the future if they are serious about their platform, but I guess those kinds of deals are difficult to make with Mangagamer and JAST because their adult stores are more core to their businesses.

Generally the idea of making a kickstarter for the sake of financing physical merchandise is a good one. There are people looking for those physical editions and goods, and this is good way to provide them without financial risk for Sekai Project. Also it's good promotion for the VN.

[sanahtlig]

10 minutes ago, Formlose Gestalt said:

That much is obvious. The Kickstarter says "And friends, there will also be a Denpasoft version of the game distributed exclusively by Nutaku!". So obvious they must have negotiated something, because otherwise the VN would also be released on Denpasoft.

Well no, there's at least two alternate explanations:

1. Nutaku negotiated for exclusive distribution rights
2. Denpasoft saw distribution on Nutaku-only as preferable to distribution on their own store + Nutaku

You assume that Denpasoft would always prefer that customers use their store, but maintaining a storefront has a cost.  Why do so many indie devs use Steam as their sole distribution outlet?  Surely not because Valve negotiated exclusive distribution deals.  No, they simply view Steam as the most efficient way to distribute their product.  They see no need to have their own store.

I currently favor 1), but 2) is by no means unreasonable, especially if Sekai Project had been considering phasing out their storefront.

[Nier]

22 minutes ago, Formlose Gestalt said:

Generally the idea of making a kickstarter for the sake of financing physical merchandise is a good one. There are people looking for those physical editions and goods, and this is good way to provide them without financial risk for Sekai Project. Also it's good promotion for the VN.

That is my case, I don't bother with digital-only releases, even if a title interest me.

My rule:

'No Physical, No Buy'

There are quite a few titles in english that I can not play because I simply do not buy digital and they didn't release hardcopies of them, The House in Fata Morgana, Tokyo Babel, Gahkthun of the Golden Lightning, eden*, Cartagra, Nurse Love Addiction, Tomoyo After, Magical Eyes and maybe a few others such as Eyuu*Senki, but thankfuly that will be fixed by JAST USA when they release soon™ a physical copy version for PC in 2017 or 2018. Digital-only releases desecrates everything that is sacred and wholesome about VN!

As a matter of fact I don't mind paying 150+ USD for a physical copy, while I wouldn't pay 20 USD for a Steam copy!

[sanahtlig]

4 minutes ago, Nier said:

As a matter of fact I don't mind paying 150+ USD for a physical copy, while I wouldn't pay 20 USD for a Steam copy!

Are you NieRReplicant on Reddit?  Your views are remarkably similar.

[Nier]

Just now, sanahtlig said:

Are you NieRReplicant on Reddit?  Your views are remarkably similar.

Of course, "Nier" was already taken on Reddit, so I went with NieRReplicant.

[Formlose Gestalt]

1 hour ago, sanahtlig said:

Well no, there's at least two alternate explanations:

1. Nutaku negotiated for exclusive distribution rights
2. Denpasoft saw distribution on Nutaku-only as preferable to distribution on their own store + Nutaku

You assume that Denpasoft would always prefer that customers use their store, but maintaining a storefront has a cost.  Why do so many indie devs use Steam as the sole distribution outlet?  Surely not because Valve negotiated exclusive distribution deals.  No, they simply view Steam as the most efficient way to distribute their product.  They see no need to have their own store.

I currently favor 1), but 2) is by no means unreasonable, especially if Sekai Project had been considering phasing out their storefront.

As long as they maintain their Denpasoft store, the cost for offering an additional game in there is absolutely neglectable. For now they said that they want to keep their Denpasoft store.  And as long as their store is running every sale going through Denpasoft is better for them than a sale elsewhere. (The other stores naturally need to take a share for themselves.)

If they just want to see if Nutaku is more profitable for them they would just released the Chrono Clock on both platforms at the same time and be able to compare the numbers directly. I can't see any advantages in not putting Chrono Clock on Denpasoft while still paying for Denpasoft store, if they not receive some form of compensation in exchange.

[Nier]

1 hour ago, Formlose Gestalt said:

If they just want to see if Nutaku is more profitable for them they would just released the Chrono Clock on both platforms at the same time and be able to compare the numbers directly. I can't see any advantages in not putting Chrono Clock on Denpasoft while still paying for Denpasoft store, if they not receive some form of compensation in exchange.

That will skew the data. To compare it properly, they would need to face-off the sales of a 18+ Nutaku exclusive compared to the sales of a 18+ Denpasoft exclusive.

[Soulless Watcher]

5 hours ago, Nier said:

I just think they are using Nutaku as a distribution platform for the 18+ version, at this point Nutaku is the closest thing to a Steam-like platform for 18+ products and as such because of this it would bring in alot more sales than just releasing it on Denpasoft...

That is essentially the end goal of Nutaku, I heard they recently picked up Kimochi (a failed steamlike adult gaming distribution platform.) and it seems like they are actively pursuing other vn projects outside of their standard browsing games.

Anyways, I'm not touching anything related with Sekai Project with a ten foot pole, until the game is released and I have conformation from at least 3 different people that it is translated decently and there is a +18 version (when applicable). The kickstarter for WEE and WAS were just insane.

[VLOCKUP]

Well, MG did have its own AA storefront before they say "fuck it" and took it down, left to their original storefront.

2 hours ago, sanahtlig said:

Are you NieRReplicant on Reddit?  Your views are remarkably similar.

Here I thought you are frequent Reddit user. It's not that hard to know they are both the same, what with the use of "True VN Fan^TM"

TL;DR SP is rather toasted that Denpasoft is not making enough money(Gee, I wonder why?) so they set up a deal with Nutaku to do their PR.

Apparently Audi did very splendid job at convincing in Reddit "Giving the TLC it deserves."

I still don't see if this will result in Chrono Clock being uncensored. Citation needed. If what I read is true then CC is still mosaiced.

 

[Nier]

17 minutes ago, Soulless Watcher said:

WAS were just insane.

What tier did you back for that one?

 

2 minutes ago, VLOCKUP said:

I still don't see if this will result in Chrono Clock being uncensored.

What do you mean by "uncensored"? If you are refering to mosaiced or non-mosaiced, then the answer is that the denpa version is going to be mosaiced.

[VLOCKUP]

3 minutes ago, Nier said:

What do you mean by "uncensored"? If you are refering to mosaiced or non-mosaiced, then the answer is that the denpa version is going to be mosaiced.

Obviously I refer to the whole deal with Nutaku will somehow make CC being distributed mosaic-free as some people in Reddit seems to think so. While it safe to assume so, people are just being deluded into thinking so.

People just don't learn that SP will never un-mosaic anything.

[Narcosis]

Am I the only one who's not really fond of them teaming up with Nutaku?

[sanahtlig]

30 minutes ago, VLOCKUP said:

Here I thought you are frequent Reddit user. It's not that hard to know they are both the same, what with the use of "True VN Fan^TM"

I'm not.  I only post there occasionally when a topic interests me.

30 minutes ago, VLOCKUP said:

Apparently Audi did very splendid job at convincing in Reddit "Giving the TLC it deserves."

That's the first thread I've seen where a non-Dovac company spokesperson was downvoted into the negatives multiple times on /r/vns.  That a thread filled with company replies has been pushed down to the bottom of the comments (and his responses to questions hidden) is striking, highly unusual, and potentially significant.  Anti-SP fervor seems to be on the rise.

[Soulless Watcher]

13 minutes ago, Nier said:

What tier did you back for that one?

Luckly it was only $12, but that was because I spent $100 on WEE. I wish I spent all of that on the First Milestone One, the only sekai project kickstarter that I was genuinely proud of funding.

[VLOCKUP]

47 minutes ago, Narcosis said:

Am I the only one who's not really fond of them teaming up with Nutaku?

I don't see what's the problem though? I admit, all I know about Nutaku is their past censorships, questionable localization(maybe) and their browsing games. Oh, and them wanting to be like Steam. Is there anything else I should be looking out from Nutaku?

47 minutes ago, sanahtlig said:

That's the first thread I've seen where a non-Dovac company spokesperson was downvoted into the negatives multiple times on /r/vns.  That a thread filled with company replies has been pushed down to the bottom of the comments is striking and very unusual.  Anti-SP fervor seems to be on the rise.

Not surprisingly, considering more and more people are beginning to feel salty when they realized SP still haven't fulfill their KS promises entirely. I heard it is more about WEE KS from one Reddit user that is a backer. Audi's presence in CC thread in r/visualnovels doesn't help either with him dodging the questions with "You know how hard we are working to make it work?" and "Please apply into our workforce to show it how it's done" answers.

Audi is maybe the new Dovac

[Nier]

23 minutes ago, VLOCKUP said:

Obviously I refer to the whole deal with Nutaku will somehow make CC being distributed mosaic-free as people in Reddit seems to think so. While it safe to assume so, people are just being deluded into thinking so.

 

Sekai Project already confirmed that it will be mosaiced.

[ChaosRaven]

Man, I want the physical edition, but it's so expensive! 

The current Kickstarter already reached almost twice it's goal, which isn't too hard with just a mere 20.000$. It's literally screaming 'preorder platform'.

And Nutaku is Sekai's answer to the low sales of their own Denpasoft page?! Probably a good deal for both sides since Chrono Clock isn't exactly a run of the mill title.

[sanahtlig]

15 minutes ago, VLOCKUP said:

Audi's presence in CC thread in r/visualnovels doesn't help either with him dodging the questions with "You know how hard we are working to make it work?" and "Please apply into our workforce to show it how it's done" answers.

Audi is maybe the new Dovac

Retracted.  Upon reflection I acknowledge Audi's replies are actually pretty amusing.

[Nier]

6 minutes ago, ChaosRaven said:

The current Kickstarter already reached almost twice it's goal, which isn't too hard with just a mere 20.000$. It's literally screaming 'preorder platform'.

Works for me, works for them and all the people that have backed the project and will back the project during the remaing 29 days.

 

6 minutes ago, ChaosRaven said:

And Nutaku is Sekai's answer to the low sales of their own Denpasoft page?! Probably a good deal for both sides since Chrono Clock isn't exactly a run of the mill title.

That still remains to be seen, but they are probably hoping so.

[Nier]

13 minutes ago, sanahtlig said:

A rising tide of anti-SP sentiment amongst hardcore fans could damage their future Kickstarter campaigns (assuming they try to crowdfund localization again), so they might want to reconsider this PR strategy.

"Hardcore fans" Pah! It's the same people who thinks themselves as self-appointed critiques, who all the while bitch and moan whitout giving a cent. The fans are the ones providing money to make the campaigns a success and help make the best out of the games releases, the silent benevolent majority are the true fans, not the whiny plebs who constitutes a vocal minority that just wastes their and other people's time complaining about anything and everything.

[Basileus777]

1 hour ago, sanahtlig said:

I'm not.  I only post there occasionally when a topic interests me.

That's the first thread I've seen where a non-Dovac company spokesperson was downvoted into the negatives multiple times on /r/vns.  That a thread filled with company replies has been pushed down to the bottom of the comments (and his responses to questions hidden) is striking, highly unusual, and potentially significant.  Anti-SP fervor seems to be on the rise.

Audi comes off poorly with all his sarcastic quips. I'm not surprised it has rubbed people the wrong way,

[Chuee]

1 hour ago, VLOCKUP said:

Audi's presence in CC thread in r/visualnovels doesn't help either with him dodging the questions with "You know how hard we are working to make it work?" and "Please apply into our workforce to show it how it's done" answers.

Well, yes, it is incredibly patronizing to tell someone how their job should be done when you have zero experience.

[Nier]

1 hour ago, Chuee said:

Well, yes, it is incredibly patronizing to tell someone how their job should be done when you have zero experience.

He shouldn't give the time of the day to these kind of shitposts but instead should grace them with his silence, it's better to just focus on answering genuine questions and ignore the rest.

That's how Tabata deals with the "Final Fantasy XV delay whiners":

http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/in-conversation-with-final-fantasy-xv-director-hajime-tabata-square-enix-gamescom-interview

"VICE Question: And what about the reaction to the delay? A small minority of internet dickheads aside, I think those who've been waiting years for this game aren't about to kick up a stink over two more months.

Tabata Answer: I know that people have different opinions on what we've done here, but I do try to avoid the forums where people say things without having to take any responsibility for doing so. I much prefer to listen to the opinions of journalists, and speaking to fans face to face about things. That's where I think the most valuable information comes from."

 

[Darklord Rooke]

2 hours ago, sanahtlig said:

That's the first thread I've seen where a non-Dovac company spokesperson was downvoted into the negatives multiple times on /r/vns.  That a thread filled with company replies has been pushed down to the bottom of the comments (and his responses to questions hidden) is striking, highly unusual, and potentially significant.  Anti-SP fervor seems to be on the rise.

I don't think it is, TBH. A lot of /VN/ and /VNTS/ users skulk around the Reddit boards these days.

Not to mention a couple of hundred people downvoting something isn't really going to make much difference in the long run. Especially considering you don't know who's doing the downvoting. 4chan's a place where you can be salty with your words, but Reddit's a place where you can be salty with your votes. I remember when SP was just starting, people on 4chan would urge others to be more active in Reddit's voting practice.

That being said, Chrono Clock's on $35,000 after ... 2 days? It's not bad. To me that sort of reaction signals anti-SP fervour is still a vocal minority among hard core fans. Probably says just as much or more than a couple of hundred downvotes on Reddit. Just my 2c. 

Also, casuals and people not involved in the VN community won't even notice.