Koi ni, Kanmi o Soete - what is it?

[adamstan]

Hi, today I stumbled upon this VN in the "upcoming releases" section on VNDB.

Koi ni, Kanmi o Soete - it looks like it's going to be released by Sekai/Denpasoft this Friday (07.09.2018) by the title of "Love's sweet garnish". There are almost no votes and no screens on VNDB. Do you know this VN? Is it worth playing?

Edited September 5, 2018 by adamstan

[Mr Poltroon]

It seems your link links this thread.

I don't know about this Visual Novel, but have an OP

and a steam page.

It seems to be the archetypal Steam moege with running a cafe and cute girls. I certainly know nothing about it.

Edited September 5, 2018 by Mr Poltroon

[adamstan]

19 minutes ago, Mr Poltroon said:

It seems your link links this thread.

oops... fixed now.

19 minutes ago, Mr Poltroon said:

and a steam page.

Will check it out when I get home, as at work both Steam and YT are blocked Thanks.

With only two heroines it will probably be rather short.

Edited September 5, 2018 by adamstan

[bakauchuujin]

I would have been interested in it if it weren't for SP being the publisher.

[Yuuko]

Do it for the Miyasakas

[Freestyle80]

Says its "Indie" so dont expect much 

[adamstan]

Opening looks rather nice - but with only two routes it is definitely on short side. If it won't be too expensive, I'll try it.

[Chuee]

It's a short doujin VN that was released last year by Canvas Garden (a very popular doujin circle). So basically just think of what Nekopara was when it first released. 

[adamstan]

I wondered why I missed it on Steam, and it turned out that it doesn't have "Visual Novel" tag attached to it. How does tag system work exactly? Are they put by publisher, or by users?

[Mr Poltroon]

1 hour ago, adamstan said:

I wondered why I missed it on Steam, and it turned out that it doesn't have "Visual Novel" tag attached to it. How does tag system work exactly? Are they put by publisher, or by users?

A bit of both. Developers can put up their own tags (they're users too, you see), but it ends up being by public tagging in the end, as anyone can put some.

[littleshogun]

Looks like just a normal moege there, so I'll just pass for now. Good to see though now that Sekai did released another VN.

[adamstan]

Well, recently I've read some serious titles, so little moege may be nice for a breather But then, I also have some moege on my backlog already.

Edited September 6, 2018 by adamstan

[adamstan]

So, today I finished reading this.

It's short, nice and fluffy The very beginning feels little sluggish, but then fortunately it picks up decent pace.

I liked the heroines, so I was able to enjoy it. But a word of warning - it's filled with moege tropes, so if it's not your thing, stay away from it.

Spoiler

Childhood promise? - check
Festival date? - check
Endless talking about food? - check
cute imouto-like character? - check
Pet mascot? - check
and so on, and so on...

As far as story is concerned I have one complaint - where are the other routes? I mean, at least Chisato or Ciel not having a route is a crime. What about "First girl wins" trope, huh?

Art is good - both backgrounds and characters. Music wasn't too memorable, but wasn't annoying either

The ability to quickly switch between languages is really nice, and I'd like to see it in other VNs too. (From the ones I played, only LB! had this.)

Now about English version. Translation itself seems decent, but editing must have been done in a rush, as it is rather messy when it comes to names and honorifics. I mean, if you want to have honorifics left in TL, at least don't mix them and naming conventions up, because then it makes no sense at all

Spoiler

Example: Until the protag gets close with one of the girls, he addresses both of them using "surname-san". Yet at one point, for reasons completely unknown to me, he addresses Richer by "Richer-chan", despite original text clearly saying "Shionomiya-san" - and that's what is used eariler and later too. Him saying "Richer-chan" at that point makes no sense whatsoever.

Or when Rira calls you at the beginning of her route, and says "Niwasaka" when announcing herself, yet translation uses her first name here.

Also sometimes names in dialogues are mixed-up. Like Richer speaks about Rira, but english text has her name instead and vice versa.

So it looks like editor couldn't make up their mind or was in a hurry.

Despite some flaws, I enjoyed it. It's short, so can be used as a breather between more serious titles.

Nothing great, but enjoyable. 7/10.

PS. I played all-ages version.

Edited September 11, 2018 by adamstan

[SaintOfVoid]

7 minutes ago, adamstan said:

Now about English version. Translation itself seems decent, but editing must have been done in a rush, as it is rather messy when it comes to names and honorifics. I mean, if you want to have honorifics left in TL, at least don't mix them and naming conventions up, because then it makes no sense at all

Isn´t it almost always the case coming to those? dovac even commented on this issue not that long ago, like there´s no need wasting ressources on certain titles which aren´t expected to generate much profit, btw no doing additional editing/QC´ing to no delay releases any further

Edited September 11, 2018 by SaintOfVoid

[bakauchuujin]

1 hour ago, SaintOfVoid said:

Isn´t it almost always the case coming to those? dovac even commented on this issue not that long ago, like there´s no need wasting ressources on certain titles which aren´t expected to generate much profit, btw no doing additional editing/QC´ing to no delay releases any further

I am wondering why they then decided to do a physical release for the title. While I think you are right it does seem rather odd to make physicals for a VN that isn't considered likely to generate much profit. Taking into consideration that mangagamer just do physicals for the titles that sell well it seems rather odd for SP to expect to manage to not lose money on the physical release. Personally I am all for physical releases and want to see more of them, just seems like a rather odd title for a physical, especially when shipping is quite a lot compared to the price of the VN itself.

Edited September 11, 2018 by bakauchuujin

[SaintOfVoid]

30 minutes ago, bakauchuujin said:

I am wondering why they then decided to do a physical release for the title. While I think you are right it does seem rather odd to make physicals for a VN that isn't considered likely to generate much profit. Taking into consideration that mangagamer just do physicals for the titles that sell well it seems rather odd for SP to expect to manage to not lose money on the physical release. Personally I am all for physical releases and want to see more of them, just seems like a rather odd title for a physical, especially when shipping is quite a lot compared to the price of the VN itself.

personally no idea why and why not, not even sure any more which title(s) in particular he´s been talking about. also no real idea what means profitable to them in terms of numbers or whatnot, but regardless of that, releasing things in an unfavourable state should be a big no-no, doesn´t matter if it´s aaa+ or most cheaply written indie trash - no fukking no customer should normally ever feel the need to manually patch stuff x-times before acceptable, that´s just awful, possible delay otherwise or not. basically like u ordering a mercedes and getting one with only 3seats, then after complaining being told to fukk off because it´s able to drive, so no rights to whine

Edited September 11, 2018 by SaintOfVoid

[adamstan]

It looks like sequel is coming out by the end of the year - https://vndb.org/v24626

I wonder if Sekai will translate it too.

It looks like it will have routes for Ciel and Koron. Sadly, apparently still no Chisato's route

[littleshogun]

They'll probably add that in Koiama 3 later lol. At least the releases is quite successful if they can make the sequel, and if anything maybe Sekai could license this as well seeing that it's a doujin VN and Sekai is well known for helping doujin VN company.

[adamstan]

Aand, translation of sequel has been just released.

It's nice that Sekai's release is multilingual, with Japanese text included. (Actually was the same with first part I think)

Edited March 16, 2021 by adamstan

[littleshogun]

Good to see that finally Sekai release English version of Koiama 2, and I hope that they didn't release their VNs in Chinese language first if possible. I also agree that Koiama 2 here is like Gochiusa like some people said, although of course it has male MC along with sex scenes for the most obvious differences.

Edited March 22, 2021 by littleshogun

[Stormwolf]

On 9/11/2018 at 10:35 PM, SaintOfVoid said:

Isn´t it almost always the case coming to those? dovac even commented on this issue not that long ago, like there´s no need wasting ressources on certain titles which aren´t expected to generate much profit, btw no doing additional editing/QC´ing to no delay releases any further

Well if they see no reason to make sure their products are as good as they can be, then i see no reason to hand them my hard earned money also