Sekai Project Official Grisaia Translation?

[Darklord Rooke]

Things probably aren't finalised yet. Maybe they're still negotiating finer details with STEAM? They shouldn't have said anything in the first place, and they definitely shouldn't say any more until everything is certain.

[Decay]

There's nothing to negotiate with Steam. They're fine with having off-site 18+ versions of games and they actually have no say in the matter.

[Crayten]

It seems they're kinda tired of running around in circles too.

Let's hope they clear things up once and for all:

http://sekaiproject.tumblr.com/post/98664053291/regarding-grisaia-will-there-be-statement-in-the-near

Well at least we have a little bit of hope. The demand for an 18+ Version seem to be in high numbers otherwise the wouldnt even bother.

[Tatsujin]

Well at least we have a little bit of hope. The demand for an 18+ Version seem to be in high numbers otherwise the wouldnt even bother.

18+ is the actual complete version. All ages is a joke. 17+ is passable.

[Freestyle80]

well hopeffuly they release the original version orelse prolly many people(including me) would refrain from buying;c

[Down]

18+ is the actual complete version. All ages is a joke. 17+ is passable.

What exactly is the difference between an 18+ and a 17+ version?

 

Also the console version they're porting has additional scenes compared with the original PC version, so it's hard to affirm one is more complete than the other.

[Decay]

What exactly is the difference between an 18+ and a 17+ version?

One has hardcore pornography, the other just has lots of ecchi. 

[Crayten]

Pretty much this.  All-ages would have all the sexual jokes and references and swearing taken out, while 17+ would have everything but the h-scenes.  Basically an M-rated video game.

 

Definitely wouldn't be interested in an all-ages version.  Reading Sachi saying "The rain in Spain falls mainly on my lady jane. #wet" cracked me up.

 

Oh boy Sachi ... and yes same for me : 18+ or no buy.

[Beato]

The version Sekai Project is going to publish is 17+ not all-ages in the sense people in his thread is implying. Koestl has said that almost all mature jokes are still in.

[Karakkan]

Pretty much this.  All-ages would have all the sexual jokes and references and swearing taken out, while 17+ would have everything but the h-scenes.  Basically an M-rated video game.

 

Definitely wouldn't be interested in an all-ages version.  Reading Sachi saying "The rain in Spain falls mainly on my lady jane. #wet" cracked me up.

 

...Except we've already seen images from the Vita-version of GnK, which had a CG of Sachi doing the back-washing with her boobs.  So you're kind of really, really wrong there.  Might want to try a bit of fact-checking before you go off and make assumptions like they're the truth.

 

EDIT: Yeah, totally all-ages and not sexual at all. - Actually NSFW, by the by.

[Mr Poltroon]

I never said it was gonna be all-ages.  It's been stated that it's going to be 17+ several times now; I was just explaining what the differences between all-ages, 17+, and 18+ would be.  Also, on the article you linked I couldn't find any direct mention of that particular CG being in the Steam or Vita versions.  You don't need to go all butthurt fact-checker on me, I never claimed to know everything that would or would not be included in the release.

Does that mean you can read Japanese? Because I'll have to admit, I linked that as evidence to the 17+ version still being Grisaia, with all it's mature jokes, but other than the title mentioning Vita, and the crappy translation from Google, which seems to allege that it is in fact part of the Vita version, I have no proof of this.

 

I assume he was rather annoyed at all the comments on this thread about how if it isn't 18+ then they aren't going to get it (no h-scene 0/10 will not buy).

He was also trying to clear up this general idea in the comments that it would be an all ages version, which it definitely won't, unless the guys at Sekai are mongoloids who can't say get anything right.

1 person for example, seems to have misinterpreted your post, so you're not as crystal clear as you had thought.

 

Koestl has said that almost all mature jokes are still in.

Source?

[Flutterz]

You guys shouldn't forget that VNs are rarely classified as "17+", it's normally either "all-ages" if there are no explicit (basically female nipples and/or genitalia shown) images or "18+" if there are explicit images, regardless of whatever other content there might be. That Sachi pic is still all-ages, swearing is still all-ages, talking about sex is all-ages, etc.

[Beato]

 

 

Source?

http://www.reddit.com/r/visualnovels/comments/29sbwy/grisaia_no_kajitsu_announced_for_official_release/

 

Also has statements from Herkz who was one of the editors saying the same thing.

 

And Zenophilious the latter images on that page (those without text) are promotional material and pictures of the tokuten so no they're not in any of the games. But that article is about the Vita version and the screenshots are from it.

[Flutterz]

Well...that's rather misleading.  Why do they even use the terms 17+ and all-ages?  They're contradictory if they're intended to mean the same thing  >.>

 

Someone on reddit claimed that the Vita version cut out stuff that crossed the "line".  Direct quote from this comment: "I haven't played the PC original, but I know that in the Vita version it wasn't just strictly the major "H-scenes" that were cut -- at least one regular comedy scene that crossed the line too far was cut also (i.e. I never saw that Sachi/Michiru "hole" beach scene)."

 

I guess it could be a useful thing to use to imply that it's not porn but you wouldn't want a 10-year-old to play it but I haven't seen it used before, and a label isn't very useful if you're the only one using it.

[Flutterz]

I think that a clear rating system needs to be applied to VNs instead of just saying it's "all-ages", because to most gamers stuff like that would either be T or M, or the PEGI equivalents.  All-ages has the connotation of being made for kids, so that's why I got a little confused.

To be fair VNDB does use things other than all-ages and 18+, but a lot of other places (including Fuwanovel I think) don't.

[Decay]

There are rating systems in Japan. You can usually see the ratings VNs get there on VNDB but sometimes the info is incomplete. Grisaia was rated CERO D on the PSP, meaning 17+.. Generally speaking, Cero D is a bit more restrictive than its ESRB and PEGI counterparts (M and PEGI 17), God of War is CERO Z (18+) for example. So you won't see topless Amane in the beginning of the game, but you'll see pretty much everything else outside of the H scenes and even some parts of the original h-scenes were preserved, and almost all sex jokes and references to sex are preserved in the PSP version. 

 

There's even a rating system for PC titles that can apply to eroge, EOCS. A lot of non-ero PC entries on VNDB are missing that information so they're labeled as All Ages even though they have a rating.

 

Officially localized releases don't need a rating system if they don't ever plan to release on consoles or on store shelves. There's no legal reason to do so. However, MG has talked about being a bit more descriptive of the degree of sexual content each game has on their store.

[Karakkan]

No, I don't claim to be able to read Japanese, and had to rely on Google's crappy translation, like you did.  Some of the CGs and art included in the page, however, aren't actually in the original version of Kajitsu, or even the Vita version, at least that I could tell using reverse image searching.  Until Sekai confirms that content like Sachi's topless boob massage will be in it (which is pretty unlikely, considering that it's 17+ and that would be pushing the limits), I don't think it's safe to assume that it will be.

 

As for Karakkan's comment, there was no reason to be as rude as he was.  I was expressing my opinion, which I have every right to do, both as a human being and as a user on Fuwa.  I'll admit that my comment was misleading, but I in no way said that Sekai's version would be all-ages, only that it'd have to be at least 17+ for me to be interested in it.  I'd prefer that Sekai release an 18+ patch outside of Steam, or that a group of users unaffiliated with Sekai do the same, but I'm still interested in a 17+ version, only less so.

 

Alright, I'll go on record and admit I saw your post out of context of the rest and assumed you were another "hurr durr no sex = ruining game forever" idiots that were plaguing these kinds of threads when the announcement was first released.  So I'll apologize for tone on that, especially since going back you actually have a level head about it.  I'm fairly certain I've gotten into arguments with people over this stuff in this exact thread in the earlier comments.  Although opinions ≠ free from criticism, especially when there was the wave of people who thought exactly like that in your post.  If someone wants to don that idiot cap, they should be taken down a peg or two.

 

It's just frustrating to see that stupid misinformation brought up over and over again, especially since it was so prevalent back in the first announcement and people got downright vile about it.  Like, if this fails for Sekai then we might as well kiss any chance of having a real wave of interest in official translations goodbye.  If GnK, an extremely popular and acclaimed work from the genre can't break into the English market, why would smaller companies even bother attempting it when one of the best couldn't do it?  Especially when there are practically no changes short of the hentai plus additional scenes.

[RusAnon]

Like, if this fails for Sekai then we might as well kiss any chance of having a real wave of interest in official translations goodbye.  If GnK, an extremely popular and acclaimed work from the genre can't break into the English market, why would smaller companies even bother attempting it when one of the best couldn't do it?

Yeah, MangaGamer with their dozens of partners and huge portfolio doesn't exist, rite? Every year we see steady increase in amount of eroge devs interested in western market, and unlike SP, they bring new, not yet translated games.

If GnK fails, it will be solely dovac's fault, because he managed to piss off huge part of VN market with his terrible management and PR, and it will not affect anything except his retirement plans.

[Karakkan]

Yeah, MangaGamer with their dozens of partners and huge portfolio doesn't exist, rite? Every year we see steady increase in amount of eroge devs interested in western market, and unlike SP, they bring new, not yet translated games.

If GnK fails, it will be solely dovac's fault, because he managed to piss off huge part of VN market with his terrible management and PR, and it will not affect anything except his retirement plans.

[Darklord Rooke]

Yeah, MangaGamer with their dozens of partners and huge portfolio doesn't exist, rite? 

 

MG mostly pumped out quickly translated nukige because that was the only way they could stay afloat. They release the occasional story VN, but the translators also burn through nukige at a great pace because they need to make a buck in a fairly non-profitable industry. Most of MG's partners are nukige companies, and some of their new partners include doujin level nukige studios interested in their titles being released in the West for obvious reasons.

 

Before Steam came into the picture MG wasn't doing all that great. I have no idea how much Steam has changed things though. 

 

EDIT: Sorry about that, my internet broke halfway through my message. I was going to continue by saying that it's not really a first class portfolio and it’s bloated with poorly translated (and often bad) nukige. Technically interest from dodgy nukige companies is still interest, but I don’t think that was what Karakkan meant. 

[Decay]

They only have two games on steam, and only one of them is a big success, Go Go Nippon. I'm sure it changed the way they view Steam and maybe allowed them to make some of the more bold moves they've made lately, especially attempting to fund the completion of Supipara. But outside of their moves with Minori and their new Higurashi art, I feel like all of their other recent moves would have remained the same if GGN flopped.

[RusAnon]

Before Steam came into the picture MG wasn't doing all that great.

[Darklord Rooke]

Even before selling games on steam, MG was already working on 8 non-nukige non-doujin (Evangelie, Cartagra, ImoPara, DC3, Gahkthun, eden*, Bokuten, Deardrops. 

[Decay]

Imouto Paradise (opinion is split on whether this qualifies as nukige even on MG’s own forums. Borderline basically.)

[Darklord Rooke]

lol what? How is this even close? What's the debate? Of course it's nukige. It's hella nukige. This isn't even a matter of opinion. People are weird.